1. #5481
    Quote Originally Posted by Azrile View Post
    I'm sure it's not just me, but it's astounding how similar many of those comments are to the ones made since they put up the FC site. None of this is necessarily damning since it's on what I'm under the impression is a fansite, so there's not a lot of proof any of it is real or links back to them. Having said that, it could use some exploration by FC should they start whining about how they're being unfairly slandered or osmethne.

    The massive delays between some of the dates is both amusing and apalling. But it's par for the course with FC, as well.

    I'm curious though why the last (red) post is dated before the one preceding it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Azrile View Post
    I guess there are some semantics, but for a reasonable person, he is asking directly for money.
    I don't disagree in any way, it's just that they can easily look at stuff like that and say 'Well, we didn't actually ask, we just left it open to people!'
    Last edited by Sunaka; 2015-03-27 at 11:37 PM.

  2. #5482
    Quote Originally Posted by Sunaka View Post
    I'm sure it's not just me, but it's astounding how similar many of those comments are to the ones made since they put up the FC site. None of this is necessarily damning since it's on what I'm under the impression is a fansite, so there's not a lot of proof any of it is real or links back to them. Having said that, it could use some exploration by FC should they start whining about how they're being unfairly slandered or osmethne.

    The massive delays between some of the dates is both amusing and apalling. But it's par for the course with FC, as well.

    I'm curious though why the last (red) post is dated before the one preceding it.
    I have no idea, I just found that page a few minutes ago myself. The part you missed is that this page is from a fansite of the game from back then trying to explain why the game is NOT vaporware. The person who created the page was ( maybe still is) a fan.

    As far as the last post.. it has me a bit confused because we didn´t see the lead-in information. But the way I read it is that someone posted information regarding Shadowpools legal status ( LLC ), and Brax started his response with a joke, pretending that Shadowpool had been disbanded. But then the second paragraph he said he was only joking and that Shadowpool was fine and it was just a paperwork issue.

    Just a hunch... He mentioned earlier that they had lost almost all of their development team. It is possible that some of the people who left had legal connnections to the game throught he LLC, so there was some paperwork shuffle that happened, and someone on the forums caught it....so Brax said a joke, then re-assured them that Shadowpool was fine.

    But in the end, Shadowpool was NOT fine and did have to be dissolved, probably because of one of the people who left and had his name on the legal paperwork did not want to be associated with it anymore. Or possible if Brax had been able to find an investor, that person would have had to be given a portion, since he was probably a ´CEO´ also.

  3. #5483
    Quote Originally Posted by Azrile View Post
    I have no idea, I just found that page a few minutes ago myself. The part you missed is that this page is from a fansite of the game from back then trying to explain why the game is NOT vaporware. The person who created the page was ( maybe still is) a fan.
    Nah, I caught that. In fact, on the home page there's a link to a newer such site, which also says it's outdated and archived. I saw the site before, I just missed this page (since I wasn't giving the game much real credence anyway).

  4. #5484
    Quote Originally Posted by Sunaka View Post
    Serious question here: Was any such statement ever found? There was the page that got plastered at the old URL, and there was probably a similar post put on the forums, but I don't remember him ever explicitly asking for a million dollars. It was implied by his (paraphrase) 'now, if someone can give us a six-figure amount, we could probably keep going', but that's still not exactly asking for it. Kind of a small semantic detail, but I figure keeping those semantic details covered helps keep things clear.
    http://www.shadowclan.org/darkmoot/v...2ae0977aee3275

  5. #5485
    Quote Originally Posted by Azrile View Post
    The person who created the page was ( maybe still is) a fan.
    Well...I know I'm making an assumptive leap here, but did you happen to notice the domain name?

    It's this guy, who has been one of FC's biggest cheerleaders.

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    Oh, all kinds of good stuff from ToA's troubled past:

    http://toa.talonthorn.com/toa_archives.html

  6. #5486
    Quote Originally Posted by Taojnhy View Post
    Well...I know I'm making an assumptive leap here, but did you happen to notice the domain name?

    It's this guy, who has been one of FC's biggest cheerleaders.

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    Oh, all kinds of good stuff from ToA's troubled past:

    http://toa.talonthorn.com/toa_archives.html
    yeah, that isn´t surprising. one of the biggest nutjobs over there. How´s it feel to run a fansite for 14 years for a game that never existed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taojnhy View Post
    Well...I know I'm making an assumptive leap here, but did you happen to notice the domain name?

    It's this guy, who has been one of FC's biggest cheerleaders.

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    Oh, all kinds of good stuff from ToA's troubled past:

    http://toa.talonthorn.com/toa_archives.html
    Wow, this is like finding a buried treasure. You realize some of the dev quotes are coming from before WOW was even announced.

    April 2002 - We are currently independently funding the development of TOA, but would of course always be open to discussions with the right people that shows a true love of the design and respect for us as designers to stay true to the design of the game. Brax

    Any comment on which engine this would be? That one is a closely guarded secret at the moment. *runs to the safe to make sure the secret is still safe* Phew! Still safe!
    Developer: Brax
    Date: 18-Apr-2002
    Last edited by Azrile; 2015-03-28 at 01:52 AM.

  7. #5487
    Oh man, this should be good for a chuckle:

    Quote: Eidalac: I wouldn't mind seeing something like a 'shaken' state that gives some penalties that fade over time and are partly depenent on past experiences; ie after fighting a dozen dragons, you aren't going to be affected negativly by another (unless it's a vastly older and bigger one).

    However, that idea will probably be to much trouble to code in well, so I'd just a soon as leave fear up to the player's reaction.

    Brax: Nah, it wouldn't be too much trouble to code in. Now adding a "pee pants" animation to all the races, that could take some time.
    Developer: Brax
    Date: 27-Jun-2006
    Fast forward to current day:

    OUR EXPERIENCE

    The three original founders are not qualified to build ToA by ourselves. How's that for a clear, blunt, and candid statement?

    -Brax, 24-Feb-2015
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azrile View Post
    Wow, this is like finding a buried treasure. You realize some of the dev quotes are coming from before WOW was even announced.
    I know! I'm kicking myself thinking that all this time, this was just a link away on Talon-Thorn's ToA profile page.

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    Came across this exchange between Fornax and Brax, and it made me kind of sad:

    Fornax: I have a question for feedback: I was wondering what the source was for this feedback. I can imagine you guys thinking after someone runs the numbers: "Why are we making ALL this art for ALL these races, when the current numbers tell us that VERY few people are actually INTERESTED in at least 4 or 5 of them?"

    I would be VERY pleased if you cut 5-6 more races and the game actually came out, instead of you guys telling us a year from now that you are cancelling production for whatever reason. Know what I mean?

    Brax:Great question Fornax. The simple answer is that we are building things in an order of priority as directed by myself. That in turn is influenced greatly by what we read on these forums. For example, since humans have always been popular with you all, even before we had the profile stats, we made sure to put them towards the top of the race list to be implemented. Now this isn't a black and white stance either. The dragons are a very complex race to implement due to a lot of their differences from the other races (aging and different faith setup for example) so even though they are the most popular, they weren't the first race to lay eyes on TerVarus.
    - 01-Dec-2005
    Over 9 years ago...no one can say you didn't try Fornax.

  8. #5488

  9. #5489
    Back in 22-Apr-2002:

    DaemonROK: ummm CEO's are never dev's.

    Brax-SP: Oh and DaemonROK, this CEO IS a dev and designer.

    Brax-SP:

  10. #5490
    Hahaha holy freaking crap this is so funny to read through. Those archived sites are a gold mine. Make sure to get plenty of screenshots

    Though my fav quote so far is "3 - I am not into spending years pretending/lying about making a game. I would have much more interesting things to do over the course of years than to play a hoax on people."

  11. #5491
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyanion View Post
    Hahaha holy freaking crap this is so funny to read through. Those archived sites are a gold mine. Make sure to get plenty of screenshots

    Though my fav quote so far is "3 - I am not into spending years pretending/lying about making a game. I would have much more interesting things to do over the course of years than to play a hoax on people."
    And again.. said before WOW was even announced as a game.

    and yeah, I already grabbed the html.

  12. #5492
    Reading that exchange between Fornax and Brax 9 years ago makes me really sad for Fornax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azrile View Post
    And again.. said before WOW was even announced as a game.

    and yeah, I already grabbed the html.
    Yeah they spend time bashing Everquest and DaoC in some of those exchanges. Pretty funny stuff so far! I am reading through all I can find for my own amusement.

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    This Talon-thorn guy really scares me. Here is some old fan-fic he made on Brax as a figure in ToA.

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    Heh in response to a question asking if it was vaporware back in 2002, Brax says "I will start off by saying that the entire SP team has been instilled with the mind set that we will live up to what we say. We have made very large promises with the features that you have all read about and it is our goal to continue development until each and every one of those features are in the game. If for reasons beyond our control we must drop features, then we will make a point to let the community know as soon as possible. How does that saying go - The truth shall set you free."

    He loves those truth things.

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    Heh so far it seems like at points they had a 20+ man team working on this game, it was TOTALLY getting made in the alpha stage and the CEOs were designers as well. Damn how did this game never happen!?

  13. #5493
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyanion View Post
    Heh so far it seems like at points they had a 20+ man team working on this game, it was TOTALLY getting made in the alpha stage and the CEOs were designers as well. Damn how did this game never happen!?
    Azrile is a time-traveller who went back and sabotaged them, it's all a conspiracy plotted by Blizzard to control the universe with their secret mind-control subliminals in WoW and ToA is the only game that can save us all with their physically-based rendered justice!

  14. #5494
    Quote Originally Posted by lawow74 View Post
    Azrile is a time-traveller who went back and sabotaged them, it's all a conspiracy plotted by Blizzard to control the universe with their secret mind-control subliminals in WoW and ToA is the only game that can save us all with their physically-based rendered justice!
    *said in a monotone voice* Must play more WoW....

  15. #5495
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyanion View Post

    Heh so far it seems like at points they had a 20+ man team working on this game, it was TOTALLY getting made in the alpha stage and the CEOs were designers as well. Damn how did this game never happen!?
    You are forgetting that everyone who has ever posted about their game on another website is a social media dev...

  16. #5496
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyanion View Post
    Hahaha holy freaking crap this is so funny to read through. Those archived sites are a gold mine. Make sure to get plenty of screenshots

    Though my fav quote so far is "3 - I am not into spending years pretending/lying about making a game. I would have much more interesting things to do over the course of years than to play a hoax on people."
    Start posting some of these gems on their forums, asking "Hey Brax, remember when you said this 12+ years ago?"

    I'm curious to see what kind of excuses get thrown out as to why things changed.

  17. #5497
    Quote Originally Posted by Azrile View Post
    You are forgetting that everyone who has ever posted about their game on another website is a social media dev...
    Unless denounced by Brax & Co. as not being representative of ToA, that is.

  18. #5498
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    Quote Originally Posted by lawow74 View Post
    Until denounced by Brax & Co. as not being representative of ToA, that is.
    Fixed. /10scams

    Also I want to use this opportunity to say hello to my main Myobi and my fellow alts. It's been a long time.

  19. #5499
    The really sad part.. read all those posts on 3 pages, then look at the freakin mountain of IRC chats they had... from 2002-2006...... and at best, in all that time, and all the crap they are talking.. they released MAYBE 3 screenshots ( I´ve only ever seen the one of the pixie that is cut-n-pasted over some trees). they actually had people going for FOUR years without showing anything.

  20. #5500
    Quote Originally Posted by Azrile View Post
    The really sad part.. read all those posts on 3 pages, then look at the freakin mountain of IRC chats they had... from 2002-2006...... and at best, in all that time, and all the crap they are talking.. they released MAYBE 3 screenshots ( I´ve only ever seen the one of the pixie that is cut-n-pasted over some trees). they actually had people going for FOUR years without showing anything.
    And then you look at the message where he specifically says it's not vaporware and they'd be honest if there was no progress...yet that barren wasteland that is proof says mountains.

    Based on their listing at various times, it's definitely plausible that they actually had 20 people, but with no actual proof that they ever did anything you'd wonder if they weren't just pseudonyms or something.

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