1. #5681
    Quote Originally Posted by Taojnhy View Post
    I could even see Proctor releasing that shitty GM gameplay video to help precipitate ECG's crisis
    he just mentioned the video in that thread and linked to it. I think your theory that he sabatoged the video just to create the crisis is unfounded. He is actually showing it off again.

    Oh, and he has 6-7 new developers who joined the team today.....

    And he has the mandatory blame someone else for what failed last week, but promises of something great coming next week that makes this all worthwhile. He says the same stuff in ever post.. an excuse for the past, a promise for tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taojnhy View Post
    Yeah, I saw it, but honestly I just assumed that the reason he gave was BS on general principle. It doesn't make much sense to me, but then I don't claim to know anything about making games, let alone netcode viability.
    I mentioned it previously about Atavism. Anyone who is developing a MMORPG using Atavism at the moment is doing a lot of work in the hopes that a year from now, the devs of Atavism actually make it viable. You can´t currently make a MMORPG using it. He is using two other systems in case the devs of Atavism can´t do it. One of the other systems is his own system.. which also doesn´t work.

  2. #5682
    Quote Originally Posted by Azrile View Post
    he just mentioned the video in that thread and linked to it. I think your theory that he sabatoged the video just to create the crisis is unfounded. He is actually showing it off again.

    Oh, and he has 6-7 new developers who joined the team today.....

    And he has the mandatory blame someone else for what failed last week, but promises of something great coming next week that makes this all worthwhile. He says the same stuff in ever post.. an excuse for the past, a promise for tomorrow.

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    I mentioned it previously about Atavism. Anyone who is developing a MMORPG using Atavism at the moment is doing a lot of work in the hopes that a year from now, the devs of Atavism actually make it viable. You can´t currently make a MMORPG using it. He is using two other systems in case the devs of Atavism can´t do it. One of the other systems is his own system.. which also doesn´t work.
    Thanks for clarifying the reasoning there, that does make a kind of sense, but seems like putting the cart before three different horses. Also, I agree that my theory is completely unfounded; I said if Proctor actually had a history of producing complete and quality products then released that mess then I would suspect sabotage.

    But, if there's one thing we can all agree about Proctor, it's that he has yet to finish a single project he's started.

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    Some guy on the ToA forums thinks that Gassy's ToA dragon model will be better than the Ragnosaur dragon demo for the unreal 4 engine....

    They think this






    will be better than this





    Don't get me wrong, it is a very well modeled dragon and does look pretty cool and it does look liek a lot of hard work was put in on it...but man, these folks are delusional and need to stop with the kool-aid. It's just pure blind fan-boyism

  4. #5684
    Quote Originally Posted by Throren View Post
    WoW needs to be this!

  5. #5685
    Quote Originally Posted by Throren View Post
    Don't get me wrong, it is a very well modeled dragon and does look pretty cool and it does look liek a lot of hard work was put in on it...but man, these folks are delusional and need to stop with the kool-aid. It's just pure blind fan-boyism
    On a more selfish note, it's also how you keep a schlub who's working for free on something you want a-schlubbin along. IMO 'Hey wow that's awesome keep it up!' translates to 'God, can't you work any faster, you tool?? I wanna play this game SOMETIME before I die!! Oh well, guess you get what you pay for...'

  6. #5686
    Quote Originally Posted by dextersmith View Post
    WoW needs to be this!
    and if you put that in even a single player game, you are looking at 10 FPS. Gassy did some nice work though. I said before, he should be putting his stuff up for sale on the asset store.

  7. #5687
    Quote Originally Posted by Taojnhy View Post
    Also, did I understand your first video correctly Derium where you showed a picture (Derium's Sword) that appeared to be a reward for donating $35000 to mean that you donated that much to GM?
    No no no, I didn't give that much haha. That was a stretch goal for the KS. Sorry, I should have presented that better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azrile View Post
    Sorry, the only thing he is legally required to do is the t-shirts and show an honest effort to make the product he listed.
    Exactly my point, he never showed any effort. Refer back to one of the three things I demanded.

    Also, with the "go for the throat" comment, you assume (you do that a lot apparently) it was all about Jason. I've said a million times it's not. I apparently can't convince you otherwise, and in a round about way you're claiming I'm a liar. So really, assume what you want. I know what I'm after.
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  8. #5688
    Derium, I like your beard. Besides that, can't talk much about GM, obsly looks like another project made by a bunch of clueless clowns that managed to suck up quite an nice amount of money from people who should had done their research a little better before throwing them their money =/

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    Greed Monger looks so fucking terrible, how the hell have they managed to get 100k?

    What's the 'best' video out there that should motivate me to donate (Although I never will :P), I'm curious.

  10. #5690
    Quote Originally Posted by Marweinicus View Post
    Greed Monger looks so fucking terrible, how the hell have they managed to get 100k?

    What's the 'best' video out there that should motivate me to donate (Although I never will :P), I'm curious.
    Same way ToA got 65k ~

  11. #5691
    Quote Originally Posted by Marweinicus View Post
    Greed Monger looks so fucking terrible, how the hell have they managed to get 100k?

    What's the 'best' video out there that should motivate me to donate (Although I never will :P), I'm curious.
    I don't know, I thought Crowfall looked worth backing; so much so that I made it my first KS. Shroud of the Avatar followed shortly.

    Or did you mean the best Greedmonger video? If so, I think the answer is: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

  12. #5692
    Quote Originally Posted by Marweinicus View Post
    Greed Monger looks so fucking terrible, how the hell have they managed to get 100k?

    What's the 'best' video out there that should motivate me to donate (Although I never will :P), I'm curious.
    You see, that is what James should be held responsible for. Back during the kickstarter 3 years ago, they did EXACTLY what I talked about a few pages ago here. They bought stuff off of the asset store, then they took screenshots of the demo scenes in those assets and used THAT for their kickstarter. Those screenshots looked incredible because they were just showcasing assets... they weren´t a real game that had to deal with FPS issues or load balancing..

    Then 3 years later, James released that video in January and people are in an uproar because after 3 years and $100k, the quality of what is presented to players dropped drastically. The excuse he gave was that now they actually had to deal with FPS issues, so they had to reduce the quality of game... well duh.. in other words, they lied back during their KS by making people believe those screenshots were of an actual game.

    He only quit GM last week because of that.. because he could not explain away the screenshots used in their KS compared to the crappy video he released. He was getting a ton of heat, so he quit. Now you have this whole drama, but nobody is going back and talking about how deceptive their KS was by using those fake screenshots.

    Here is a link to the screenshots they used during the KS to promote the game

    http://www.gamerevolution.com/screen/greed-monger

    Now take a look at the video they made 100k and 3 years later.

    There is no way he will ever be able to get the quality of those screenshots in a game, not even close. Look at his video.. it has 1 player, no real AI, no real work being done in the background... It is like ToA, any gains he makes in performance by tweaking his networkin is going to be more than lost when he actually has to add things to the game.

    #1 If you build a complete game with all your systems, all your AI, All your stuff going on and you have a FPS of 20. Then you can go back and tweek everything and get your FPS up to 60.

    #2 But these guys have FPS of 15 without having hardly anything in the game.

    They then try to confuse people by pointing out that most games do #1, so they then make it sound like they can also increase performance. If ToA and GM actually had all of their systems in the game, it would kill the client.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derium View Post

    Exactly my point, he never showed any effort. Refer back to one of the three things I demanded.
    I am not calling you a liar, I just disagree with you. This comment of yours that I quoted.. I just disagree completely with this. I think the chat logs that James posted DO SHOW that Jason did make an effort, he bought everything James asked for, he brought in a lot of team members and paid them. He tried to educate himself. You can say that he was naive and made bad decisions, but I don´t think after reading those chat logs you can say he didn´t make an effort. In fact, at a couple spots he was calling out James for not being around. Jason said something like ´it seems like now that I bought you that new computer, the only thing you have time to do is play games´ (paraphrase for laziness).

    And I am saying this honestly. The biggest mistake Jason made in all of this was hiring James and trusting him. James did nothing but waste money and change engines and systems so much that for 3 years he completely negated any progress he made. That Video he released in January after 3 years and $100k is worse than what Teddy was able to do with ToA in 7 months and little money. It almost crushes my soul to say this, but at the point Teddy left ToA, ToA was much further along than GM.

    In the end, this is all just banter anyway. ToA And GM are never getting made. Nothing you are saying in your videos is going to matter because Jason is gone now, and James and Joel took over all responsibility. Jason will never be able to do anything in the gaming industry again, but that was true 2 years ago also. His reputation is no worse now than it was before, and probably the chat logs that James released probably helped it a bit. I know in my case, it did.. up until the lawsuit threats on MMORPG, the stuff he said in the first two years of that chat are reasonable, but a little naive.

    And just to point out, when this thing all started a week ago, I was a fan of James, I even mentioned him a few times earlier in this thread. But after reading the logs that he posted himself, I realized how incompetent and immature he is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taojnhy View Post
    I don't know, I thought Crowfall looked worth backing; so much so that I made it my first KS. Shroud of the Avatar followed shortly.

    Or did you mean the best Greedmonger video? If so, I think the answer is: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
    How did SoTA come after Crowfall, I backed SoTA in 2013 :S

  14. #5694
    Quote Originally Posted by Azrile View Post
    I am not calling you a liar, I just disagree with you. This comment of yours that I quoted.. I just disagree completely with this. I think the chat logs that James posted DO SHOW that Jason did make an effort, he bought everything James asked for, he brought in a lot of team members and paid them. He tried to educate himself. You can say that he was naive and made bad decisions, but I don´t think after reading those chat logs you can say he didn´t make an effort. In fact, at a couple spots he was calling out James for not being around. Jason said something like ´it seems like now that I bought you that new computer, the only thing you have time to do is play games´ (paraphrase for laziness).
    .
    I agree about the chat logs, I'm just saying it was stupid on Jason's part to only slam James in public, while it was James releasing the chat logs. Jason failed in an epic manner to present the public with that information. Again, since he is the owner, I feel it was on his shoulders to explain the entire clusterfuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marweinicus View Post
    Greed Monger looks so fucking terrible, how the hell have they managed to get 100k?

    What's the 'best' video out there that should motivate me to donate (Although I never will :P), I'm curious.
    Their KS video was SUPER misleading. It made the game look like so much progress was already done, including some smoothing of graphics. Of course they just used the base foundations of the engine. they in no way expressed that the game code wasn't even started at the time.

  15. #5695
    Quote Originally Posted by draykorinee View Post
    How did SoTA come after Crowfall, I backed SoTA in 2013 :S
    Well...truth be told, I only found SoTA after I got a "Hey, check out this project that we think is cool and deserves help!" KS message from the Crowfall team. I stopped keeping up with Garriot after the Tabula Rasa fiasco.

  16. #5696
    Quote Originally Posted by derium View Post
    I agree about the chat logs, I'm just saying it was stupid on Jason's part to only slam James in public, while it was James releasing the chat logs. Jason failed in an epic manner to present the public with that information. Again, since he is the owner, I feel it was on his shoulders to explain the entire clusterfuck.
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    Again, I disagree. You are forgetting to mention that James quit by announcing it first on the forums, and locking Jason out of the forums at the same time. Jason probably spent the first few hours after James´s announcement just getting control back of the forums so he could make an announcement. And come on. James made the first post on the forums, blamed everything on Jason while blocking Jason from even giving his side of the story. When Jason finally got back on the forums, you expect him to be reasonable? Jason finally came back and gave his side of the story, which was mainly supported by the chat logs that James released himself. Even at the end, James bought that Vortex package which is useless for an MMORPG and was just a final big waste of Kickstarter money.

    Seriously, you hate this guy way too much. If you want to demand to know about the KS money, freaking ask James about all the stupid stuff he kept buying every week that if he had spent 5 minutes doing research, he would have known would never work for what he wanted to do. There must be 10-15 times in that thread where James spends days trying to convince Jason to buy something.. telling him how needed it is, and how much it will change everything... and most of the time, not even 2 days after buying it, James says ´ah, this is garbage, I can´t use this at all´.. REPEATEDLY.

    THAT IS WHERE YOUR KICKSTARTER MONEY IS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marweinicus View Post
    Greed Monger looks so fucking terrible, how the hell have they managed to get 100k?

    What's the 'best' video out there that should motivate me to donate (Although I never will :P), I'm curious.
    There are 3 interview videos that Jason did with Markee Dragon that are impressive. Markee Dragon is an old-school UO player with a lot of experience and even he donated to GM. In the third video, Markee Dragon asked Jason about all the rumors about it being a scam and Jason´s past. This was all while the KS was still live

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDo3YtgjwUo

    Most of the stuff Jason addressed, like selling viagra and running for Governor of Ohio. They also talked about using Unity Assets in the game. I mostly agree with Jasons position and said this early in the thread. As an indy developer, you are stupid if you are making a realistic looking game and you are not buying plants, rocks and typical creatures (wolves bears etc). It is just a waste of time.. buy the everyday stuff, and have your artists instead make the stuff that is unique to your game. I do think GM and Jason went overboard with it though.. I would never use bought stuff as the highlight artwork for my website. Jason was also off about the price of creating a model. He said $18,000 to create a fully animated boss mob... $1800 is more accurate (about 2 weeks of work for a skilled artist). So yeah, if you can buy that dragon for $50, or have one of your artists spend two weeks making a similar model.. you buy the dragon.

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  18. #5698
    Quote Originally Posted by Myobi View Post
    well, at least they are talking about the game. for the past week, the only comments on their forums at all were two guys talking about their forum avatars.

  19. #5699
    Quote Originally Posted by Azrile View Post
    well, at least they are talking about the game. for the past week, the only comments on their forums at all were two guys talking about their forum avatars.
    Yeah let's talk about specific things that will be done in the game, because that game is totally getting made! Clueless forum people on ToA stay clueless!

  20. #5700
    Quote Originally Posted by Myobi View Post
    Forget about making a game, let's talk armor!

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