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    Warlords Menu, Death Knight and Rogue Tier 17, Horde Garrison, Blue Posts, News Recap

    Update (6:50 PM EST): Added Watcher's post about Warlords of Draenor guild levels.

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    Warlords of Draenor Menu
    If you don't follow the news every day, it can be hard to find content after it falls off of the first page. A site specific search can help, but we are also adding a menu to the front page with links to all of the bigger recaps we do. This should make it easier to find content later on.

    Warlords of Draenor - Guild Leveling Removed
    Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
    What you're seeing in the current build is a change that's mid-implementation. Since the introduction of the guild system in Cataclysm, the nature of guild leveling and guild perks has shifted from being a reward for dedication and collective effort, to effectively being a penalty and barrier to entry for new guilds. We've made it easier to level guilds over the years, allowing low-level quests to count fully towards guild experience, and removing weekly caps on progress. That helps ease the barriers, but it's more of a band-aid than a true solution to the underlying problem.

    Our current plan for Warlords is to effectively remove guild leveling (you could also think of it as "all guilds are automatically level 25"). We originally came up with two dozen perks in order to offer something at every guild level, but without the continued need for that granularity, we can streamline the system a bit. Many perks can just be rolled into default behaviors, since a majority of players already had them and the world was designed and tuned around their existence: Flight path taxis can just inherently move 25% faster instead of requiring "Ride Like the Wind"; Honor rewards and item costs can be balanced as if you had "Honorable Mention"; and so forth. For most players, who are in max-level guilds, nothing should perceptibly change.

    We still want to incentivize guild membership, aside from the social benefits, so we're keeping conveniences like faster mount speed, instant guild mail, Mass Resurrection, etc., as exclusive benefits to all guilded players. The guild achievement system, and unlocked items and other benefits through completion of guild achievements, will remain as-is. We'd like to emphasize that system a bit more as a yardstick for collective accomplishment, rather than guild level which primarily just reflects individual effort.

    The Cash Flow perk is obviously popular, though in most guilds it actually contributes less gold to the guild bank than something like Guild Challenges, since it only applies to looted coins. However, it also fuels some degenerate player behavior: if you've made an alt lately, you've probably noticed that you can't go more than a minute or two without receiving a guild invite - typically from "leaders" who are looking to recruit armies of often-unwitting players to both level guilds for later sale, and to increase the amount of Cash Flow gold that is siphoned into coffers to which only they have access. It can be a meaningful amount of gold for one player's pockets, but for something like a raiding guild, Cash Flow gold barely makes a dent in something like total repair costs. We're removing the Cash Flow perk in Warlords.

    We do recognize that it's essential for guilds to have ways of financing their costs, and we will offer alternative, and more lucrative, options for doing so in Warlords (for example, bringing back some Bind on Equip epic drops in raids).

    Warlords of Draenor - Death Knight Tier 17 Armor Set
    Today we are taking a look at the Death Knight Tier 17 set, added in the latest alpha build.

    Warlords of Draenor changes things up slightly by using one set of art for Raid Finder, one set of art for Normal and Heroic, and one set of art for Mythic difficulty. You can find the Raid Finder armor sets in our Raid Finder armor sets preview.

    Warlords of Draenor - Horde Garrison Preview
    The latest alpha build updated the Horde Garrison to show the lower level garrison that everyone starts with, which does not initially include an Orgrimmar portal, mine, fishing area, or other areas from our earlier preview.

    Warlords of Draenor - Rogue Tier 17 Armor Sets
    Our high quality Tier 17 Rogue set preview has been updated to include the previously missing Mythic shoulders.

    Warlords of Draenor - Faction Hubs
    Lore let us know that the cities in Frostfire Ridge and Shadowmoon Valley haven't had any work done to make them into faction hubs.

    Warlords of Draenor Blue Posts
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    Warlords of Draenor Theorycraft Discussion
    Working on the dummies not showing up on some/all servers. Will try to catch up on this thread again soon; sorry for the slowness. Just swamped this week.

    Last time I tested them, those dummies were acting like normal mobs instead traditional dummies; they kept me in combat even after a minute without perform any attacks, instead of allowing me to leave combat 1 or 2 seconds after no combat action done.
    Yes, this is intended. You should still be able to run ~50yd away to drop combat.

    EDIT: Reason being that there are some occasional wonkinesses related to combat and dummies, and we wanted to avoid all of that for your theorycrafting purposes. They're normal mobs that can't die (well, a couple can), and are permanently stunned.

    Specials that are avoided don't give Vengeance/Resolve. It's mostly for a technical reason; auto attacks are much more standardized and so we can just check what the average auto attack would do and based it off of that. Specials can do all kinds of things, so are much harder to reliably handle, and are rare enough that we can handle balancing around them not granting Resolve.

    Has weapon normalization changed? How is the damage stat on the character panel caculated? On live it displays the min/max damage of your current weapon after normalization.
    Character sheet has not, and still doesn't, include normalization. Character sheet damage should be simply weapon damage + weapon damage from AP.

    With the auto applied serpent sting for survival hunters does the first tick go off instantly on each application to make up for imp serpent sting being removed?
    Currently, yes, though that's effectively an extra SS tick on every Arcane Shot which is kind of hidden. May simplify it out; the Arcane/Multi itself provides instant damage, so we could tune around that.

    The new stat attunements read "You gain 5% more of the X stat from all sources." However, according to the character sheet, this only amplifies ratings. For example, on a Destruction warlock (who is crit attuned), gaining the 5% crit buff increases your crit by 5%, not 5.25%, and using Dark Soul: Instability grants 30% crit, not 31.5%. Is this intended?
    Yes. Subtle distinction between the "Critical Strike" stat, and "X% increased critical strike chance". All of the attunements are multipliers on your ratings. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

    Blue Tweets
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    So 25man raids award relatively more loot than 10man raids. Is this another way to encourage 25manning?
    It's a recognition of the logistical challenge of running a larger group. In Warlords the ratio will be constant for all sizes. (WatcherDev)

    Will 20 Mythic bosses drop 4 items or 5?
    Most likely 5. (WatcherDev)

    Is there max level normal dungeon in Warlords? Currently there aren't any announced for it.
    There are 4: Shadowmoon Burial Grounds, Grimrail Depot, UBRS, and "Overgrown Outpost" (name not final). (WatcherDev)

    Would like to know this as well. Will N/H flex up to 30?
    30 is still the goal for the top-end, pending server performance analysis during beta. (WatcherDev)
    Same for Raid Finder? 2 tanks / 8 heals / 20 DPS?
    No, Raid Finder will still matchmake for 25, but can scale down as needed if people drop. (WatcherDev)

    Are you guys even balancing BG teams? Facing off against a team of 6 healers with none in your team sucks.
    We are but there might be times when we have to ignore that restriction to get a match going. (holinka)

    any chance the bg part of the legendary will be removed soon? It's not fun for pve'rs or pvp'ers.
    No plans to change the existing Wrathion legendary questline. Definitely lessons learned for the future, though. (WatcherDev)

    are u going to balance silvershard mines anytime soon? very horde biased.
    how is it horde biased? Alliance can get lava first but never tend to go for it in random for some reason. (holinka)
    rated win rates on the map are 50/50. Random tends towards horde even though map is fairly balanced now. (holinka)

    conquest gear BoE account Wide?
    no chance (holinka)
    I think BoA Conq gear isn't a good fix, but I feel zero compromise isn't an option unless you want alts to die.
    Tanking MMR will die. I'm not concerned Alts will die. Because I have alts, and I don't tank MMR. (holinka)
    The majority of people are not comfortable spending 20 minute dampening games to cap an alt with a 20k cap mid season.
    Less than 0.5% of games are 20 minutes long. (holinka)

    For myself I can say that I'll never gear up another character that way and cap 25k points with 180 per win. Thats complete madness
    I don't tank MMR when I gear up my alts and I've done this on numerous characters. (holinka)
    I'm helping friends cap at low mmrs on my mage. We need 4-5 hours to cap around 20k points
    I'm sorry, but that does not sound like an outrageous amount of time. (holinka)
    How that's not an outrageous amount of time? considering you have NO GEAR and that makes it not fun at all.
    4-5 hours to have your character almost fully geared? That's not even a full week of raiding for most people. (holinka)

    Can you make all professions give equal benefits including gathering ones, it is annoying to give up a gathering prof for stats.
    That's precisely why we're removing the passive stat perks from professions - pick the prof you want, not the optimal one. (WatcherDev)

    Weekly News Recap
    Here is your chance to catch up if you missed a day of news this week!

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    DK Tier is Looking great! (not)
    Last edited by moothz; 2014-06-30 at 01:47 AM.

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    The DK set dont got the DK feel at all...

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    OMG add LABELS to the TIER videos... Is it that hard to label each different set for easy recognition?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincus View Post
    The DK set dont got the DK feel at all...
    doesn't have*

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    Wow, that is one ugly Death Knight set.

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    DK Tier is a Cross between Old hunter/Rogue sets, another "meh" looking set imo.

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    Agreed. Then again it's first tier of the expac. We're used to it being ugly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mimee View Post
    OMG add LABELS to the TIER videos... Is it that hard to label each different set for easy recognition?????
    The unique set is always mythic, the ones with multiple color variations are not. We don't know which set is which beyond this, as there are no items for the sets yet.

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    Tiers getting worse and worse each expansion...
    Bring back T5 and T6

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    Really don't like the DK Tier. Those colors are horrible. The model itself is... only half-terribad. And that helmet... Why?

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    Super Thrall eh? He's missing a cape.

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    Gear models are just getting worse.. T^T

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danne View Post
    Tiers getting worse and worse each expansion...
    Bring back T5 and T6
    I'll take "What is transmog" for $500 Alex

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    thank god for xmog, cause dk and rogue t17 looks horrible.

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    I don't really understand the removal of guild levels, especially given that leveling was already increased by so much. My 3 friends and I leveled our alt guild to 25 in a short amount of time. Will it just be all or nothing then?

    Also I just have to complain again about how bad garrisons are. So much potential for customization and creativity wasted :/

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    Oke, since no one mentioned it, What is up with Super Thrall..?

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    I can shit better gear than what Blizzard did with the DK T17.

    No really, I can.

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    Only stuff i hear about WoD is things that are removed, never anything added beyond some slight QoL change. I've had some trust in Blizz, but after Trial of the Gladiator, Faction Cities Catastrophy, and the removal of guild perks, WoD is looking less and less appealing. Will still try it since alot of opinion about how fun a game is formulates through personal experience with it, but I hope Blizzard can get their shit together.
    Last edited by Mellrod; 2014-06-29 at 11:15 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unoshi View Post
    Oke, since no one mentioned it, What is up with Super Thrall..?
    Some players negatively view Thrall as Green Jesus or Superman (his real name Go'el doesn't help as it sounds like Kal'el which is Superman's Krytonian name). So I guess they are poking fun at those players with that I am guessing.

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