POLL Jaina's personality from WIII was ruined, Grom Hellscream will be ruined too?

[Kalimonde]

Don't you think Grommash legend is gonna be severely damaged by Warlords of Draenor? He is tha Hero, the redeemed one, really Blizzard why you contradict Warcraft III so much? I can totally understand people leaving the ship. What do you think? I am quite sure but let's see what's your opinion...

[Wyrt]

Grom was a genocidal douchebag and he'll be a genocidal douchebag in WoD. I don't think you'll have to worry about Blizzard keeping him consistent.

[Mormolyce]

Frankly one cinematic of redemption doesn't make up for a lifetime of being a bonehead.

I kind of like seeing him as a villain again.

[Kalimonde]

Frankly one cinematic of redemption doesn't make up for a lifetime of being a bonehead.

I kind of like seeing him as a villain again.

I see a duality in him, something I don't see in Garrosh, Garrosh seems too shortsighted, also one would think he would know from his father example but it's good to hear opposed opinions

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Grom was a genocidal douchebag and he'll be a genocidal douchebag in WoD. I don't think you'll have to worry about Blizzard keeping him consistent.

Maybe but he seemed to listen to Thrall advice, even reluctantly

[Sassafrass]

Maybe but he seemed to listen to Thrall advice, even reluctantly

Starts fights with the Humans even when Thrall tells him not to.
Pisses off the Elves by cutting their forests down and, instead of talking it out, drinks demon blood to kill their demigod.
Tells Thrall he's weak and he's ganna kill him.

Yup.

[Deleted]

Garrosh I don't think was hugely popular so I doubt they will turn him into Garrosh 2.0. But then again we have Tauren paladins so anything can happen.

[Zstr]

I don't care about Grom, coz it's another orc from new timeline who will express new events, which will change him
but I agree about Jaina, and I fucking hate them so much for making her crazy bitch that lots ppl want her to be dead, from a sexy girl

[Herecius]

You have long since already decided that no matter how Grom is portrayed he will be ruined.

[Wyrt]

Garrosh I don't think was hugely popular so I doubt they will turn him into Garrosh 2.0. But then again we have Tauren paladins so anything can happen.

Um, Grom is the original Garrosh. They're very similar.

[Durandro]

This Grom isn't the Grom you knew. This is when he was young, and still undefeated. Before he saw two wars with the Humans (and allies). Before he saw what the Orcs had become after their defeat and internment. Before he realised that they were all tools of Guldan and his Warlocks.

So this Grom? He's arrogant. He's aggressive. He's sure of himself and bows to no-one. He has no qualms or doubts, no perspective on how bad things can get.

[Herecius]

Um, Grom is the original Garrosh. They're very similar.

Grom is Garrosh's father. Unless you call your dad the original you. Which would be amusing and I would approve.

[Deleted]

Will Blizzard ruin Grom? Well, he was an egocentric, genocidal maniac and from what I've seen they're portraying him pretty well. The only way they could ruin him is if they turned him into a "make love not warcraft" pacifist (which would actually be pretty funny).

[Warlord Booty]

Don't you think Grommash legend is gonna be severely damaged by Warlords of Draenor? He is tha Hero, the redeemed one, really Blizzard why you contradict Warcraft III so much? I can totally understand people leaving the ship. What do you think? I am quite sure but let's see what's your opinion...

Yep, jumped ship due to the defacing of more Horde heroes. The bullshit changes to my favorite class just solidify that decision. Still check forums and updates though, since work can be boring and I hope they change it so we can kill Alliance "heroes" for once.

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So this Grom? He's arrogant. He's aggressive. He's sure of himself and bows to no-one. He has no qualms or doubts, no perspective on how bad things can get.

All aspects I love about our heroes. In as much as I've never played an orc past level 28ish, I've always loved this aspect about Orcs. Some of the wiser ones know (Thrall, Varok etc), but they also know that sometimes the young ones have to learn through defeat... and only hope it isn't a life ending one, which is craved be all sparta, i mean Orcs.

[Solonar]

Don't you think Grommash legend is gonna be severely damaged by Warlords of Draenor? He is tha Hero, the redeemed one, really Blizzard why you contradict Warcraft III so much? I can totally understand people leaving the ship. What do you think? I am quite sure but let's see what's your opinion...

Grom wasn't exactly a prime example of a good guy for as far as we know him. He was, like most of the Orcish Horde during its foundation on Draenor, a mass-murderer. Gorehowl has seen a loooot of Draenei blood. You see the path from the Dark Portal to Hellfire Citadel? You're -walking- on a whole road of Draenei bones. The ghosts outside of the Black Temple? Teron Gorefiend's doing. Every Orc that fought the Draenei on Draenor and then the Alliance in the 1st and 2nd war has a large amount of blood on their hands.

What we see on Warlords of Draenor is that Grom Hellscream. Albeit without the Blood Pact this time to power him up. Not the redeemed "hero" of the Horde.

[Deleted]

Yep, jumped ship due to the defacing of more Horde heroes. The bullshit changes to my favorite class just solidify that decision. Still check forums and updates though, since work can be boring and I hope they change it so we can kill Alliance "heroes" for once.

You're going to have to wait a while longer. Blizz writing goes: Alliance heroes go neutral and Horde ones go evil. Such writing, much interesting.

[Deleted]

Character that do not change or grow are boring characters, and Pre-MoP Jaine was very very boring. While you may / or may not agree with the change is one thing, but at least she is interesting again.

[ReleaseDay]

Cant say i care or that it matters. Besides, we get time travel

[Kalimonde]

You have long since already decided that no matter how Grom is portrayed he will be ruined.

Actually yes, come on, this is reviving people, Imagine i revive you after your death, would you be the same person? how can you be sure? technically you are a new spark

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I don't care about Grom, coz it's another orc from new timeline who will express new events, which will change him
but I agree about Jaina, and I fucking hate them so much for making her crazy bitch that lots ppl want her to be dead, from a sexy girl

So sad, i miss the old Jaina

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Yep, jumped ship due to the defacing of more Horde heroes. The bullshit changes to my favorite class just solidify that decision. Still check forums and updates though, since work can be boring and I hope they change it so we can kill Alliance "heroes" for once.

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All aspects I love about our heroes. In as much as I've never played an orc past level 28ish, I've always loved this aspect about Orcs. Some of the wiser ones know (Thrall, Varok etc), but they also know that sometimes the young ones have to learn through defeat... and only hope it isn't a life ending one, which is craved be all sparta, i mean Orcs.

Yep, same feeling here, pretty unbalanced now, two expansions, two, come on. I am also worried about Guldan and the almighty Nerzhul.

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Grom wasn't exactly a prime example of a good guy for as far as we know him. He was, like most of the Orcish Horde during its foundation on Draenor, a mass-murderer. Gorehowl has seen a loooot of Draenei blood. You see the path from the Dark Portal to Hellfire Citadel? You're -walking- on a whole road of Draenei bones. The ghosts outside of the Black Temple? Teron Gorefiend's doing. Every Orc that fought the Draenei on Draenor and then the Alliance in the 1st and 2nd war has a large amount of blood on their hands.

What we see on Warlords of Draenor is that Grom Hellscream. Albeit without the Blood Pact this time to power him up. Not the redeemed "hero" of the Horde.

You are right, so more distaste to desecrate such glorious end

[WanderingBreezes]

Actually yes, come on, this is reviving people, Imagine i revive you after your death, would you be the same person? how can you be sure? technically you are a new spark

This isn't reviving people, though. This dying on Friday and someone going back in time to Sunday and saying "Hey, let's hang out."

[Aeula]

Grom is ready to crack heads, just like he was when the horde was first formed, he redeemed himself for his own reasons, not for the orcs, he just wanted to be free of mannoroth.
So he's still a genocidal asshole, as usual. His personality in WoD is fine.

Though I admit, they did fuck up Jaina, I know she's been through a lot but her MoP personality is down right unreasonable.