Yeah I just listened to this live. The guy talked some stuff about how "noone knows anything at all because the box hasn't been examined" which is patently false because the box won't tell us anything, and we can already ascertain some stuff. However it did strike pretty hard that this guy was basically saying "it's not us". His part about suspicion being on the Ukrainian army however isn't true, more suspicion is on the Russians but it could be true at least.
The original poster posted a link with direct stat comparison between the Netherlands and Russia. What does that have to do with Europe.
Also, think of it as a store for a moment. We need the store for our supplies but the store also needs customers. And the Chinese alone wont fill that gap if Russia would decide to embargo Europe. This means no money to buy food. And how would they import food from other places. All the large ports are in Europe.
It is not as simple as shutting off the gas. Again, why during the cold war it also didnt happen.
Anyone else finds this news rather suspicious:
Planes fly over war zones everywhere, please let's not go there again. This has been debunked already several times. There was no no-fly zone at an altitude of 33.000 ft. While I agree with you it's probably not the smartest thing to do, and there were other companies avoiding the area, it however is not a valid reason.18:00: Donetsk rebel leader Alexander Borodai has tweeted to say that another senior rebel figure in Donetsk, Denis Pushilin, has resigned. No explanation given.
You wouldn't intentionally change route to fly over a war zone for the sake of it but civilian aircraft do often fly over war zones unless a specific no fly zone has been declared. What do you think happens in Africa and the middle east ? Lots of wars going on there... Can't avoid that area.
Or how about this ? http://rt.com/news/rockets-russian-plane-syria-575/ A RUSSIAN plane attacked with anti aircraft weapons over Syria... A current active war zone.
Your Google understanding of ad hominem attacks shows that you read threads, look up the word, and then loosely associate it into your posts. I'm going to watch you and point out the rest of the misinformation you spread going forward. It's the least I could do to keep this thread on topic!
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No, when you offer some factual or even thoughtful contribution it will sell. Repeatedly posting some unproven bullshit about a Spanish ATC declaring that Ukranian planes were nearby undermines your credibility. It calls into question your ability to contribute in a meaningful way. It's not a high bar you have to meet, but it's entirely in your control whether you do meet it.
Are you trying to take the high ground on some little enlightened pedestal or something, the arbiter of knowledge and discussion? Go read some of your posts on this thread and cringe. "We should listen to every news source no matter what" you cant honestly believe that rubbish. Weren't you even discrediting Russia Today earlier? Thought we had to listen to all news sources?
When you offer something factual or even closely resembling a conscious thought then come back. Speculating that seperatists of some denomination fired this missile is actually really credible.