LFR Gear Scaling Change <POLL>

[Kanariya]

Make it blue. As item quality no longer affects item budget, they would have the exact same power, they just wouldn't be epic. It's something that should have happened when LFR first came out.

[cabyio]

This. Who cares what colour the loot is, if you're wrapped up on what colour it is then you have issues. If you dislike LFR then don't do it, it'll have no affect on your gameplay so why should you care? Too many egos in WoW that believe they're better than others and should have stuff for themselves only. "True raiders" as they call themselves already get the achievements (with rewards) and special loot such as mounts already, not to mention titles. Why they care what others do with their game time is just silly.

LFR loot is always below what the higher tier raiders gain, so why should you care if you raid the higher tiers? How does it affect you what the average joe has that decides they're not wanting to commit to higher tier raiding?

Maybe I'm just old but this just reminds me of little children screaming to their parents because their sibbling got a different lollipop.

No it would be like 1 sibling getting straight A's and getting $50 and another one getting D's and F's and getting $45 dollars. The one that got the A's is miffed that he did way better and the failing sibling still got almost the same reward.

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No it would be like 1 sibling getting straight A's and getting $50 and another one getting D's and F's and getting $45 dollars. The one that got the A's is miffed that he did way better and the failing sibling still got almost the same reward.

Except the difference between rewards in LFR and Heroic (Soon to be mythic) are far far larger than your analogy (As they should be). There's a huge difference between an equally skilled player in LFR gear, and one in Heroic.. without mentioning the other rewards for stepping out of LFR. That's why I say how it is currently is fine.

Besides, you got your $50 for doing something you enjoy (otherwise you wouldn't be doing it, right?), which is more than your sibling anyway.

[Brooxi]

I voted for "Change 3: Remove Looking For Retard from the game."

It is not raiding! Never was, never will be. It's glorified 5 man dungeons/heroics. If all it's meant for is people to "see raid content" (as opposed to going back after the next expansion is out ) then it should have all loot removed and be just that... A way for them to see the content.

It also encourages people to think they can raid (real raiding) when they don't know anything about their class or spec.

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[Deleted]

I voted for "Change 3: Remove Looking For Retard from the game."

It is not raiding! Never was, never will be. It's glorified 5 man dungeons/heroics. If all it's meant for is people to "see raid content" (as opposed to going back after the next expansion is out ) then it should have all loot removed and be just that... A way for them to see the content.

It also encourages people to think they can raid (real raiding) when they don't know anything about their class or spec.

That's where you're being short-sighted, if there is not reward other than seeing the content, then it'll be dead after the first week of release. Then some players will never get to see it due to that.

Carrot and stick required. Just accept it for what it is, so casuals can see the game and gain some small progression. Otherwise they have nothing more to do mid/late expansion.

[Wilderness]

No it would be like 1 sibling getting straight A's and getting $50 and another one getting D's and F's and getting $45 dollars. The one that got the A's is miffed that he did way better and the failing sibling still got almost the same reward.

The rewards aren't that close.

Besides, this is a game we play for enjoyment - killing the hardest content and getting the best gear should be the reward for Mythic. And it is. I'm really not concerned about the person who just wants to the best gear in order to lord it over the people who run "lesser" raids. Catering to people whose enjoyment and fun comes at the expense of other people is dumb, and I'm glad that Blizzard's design intent seems to reflect that.

[Deleted]

nothing wrong with lfr, if you dont like it then dont run it lol

[cabyio]

Except the difference between rewards in LFR and Heroic (Soon to be mythic) are far far larger than your analogy (As they should be). There's a huge difference between an equally skilled player in LFR gear, and one in Heroic.. without mentioning the other rewards for stepping out of LFR. That's why I say how it is currently is fine.

Besides, you got your $50 for doing something you enjoy (otherwise you wouldn't be doing it, right?), which is more than your sibling anyway.

Maybe the rewards are far apart in ilvl, but that is a hollow and unsatisfying advantage. What they are doing now is a good step in the right direction they just need to take it a bit further. It should be clear that LFR is the bastard child and you won't be rewarded very well at all for doing it. Basically get your ass into normal+ if you want decent rewards.

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The rewards aren't that close.

Besides, this is a game we play for enjoyment - killing the hardest content and getting the best gear should be the reward for Mythic. And it is. I'm really not concerned about the person who just wants to the best gear in order to lord it over the people who run "lesser" raids. Catering to people whose enjoyment and fun comes at the expense of other people is dumb, and I'm glad that Blizzard's design intent seems to reflect that.

If the only difference is ilvl, then yes they are that close. Blizzard is headed in the right direction with taking tier away from lfr and giving them sub par looking sets. They just need to take it a bit further. If you put in no effort you shouldn't get hardly anything in return.

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nothing wrong with lfr, if you dont like it then dont run it lol

It is a sad façade that makes people feel like they are raiding when they actually are not.

[Wilderness]

It is a sad façade that makes people feel like they are raiding when they actually are not.

Its sad when someone else's enjoyment of a game depends on their own superiority complex. What other people do, or think, in-game doesn't have any effect on you.

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I agree with this. SoO LFR should have been 522 in my opinion instead of matching the normal thunderforged 528 ilvl. As for the epic vs rare argument, it doesn't really matter. Its just a text color. I think they've done enough to separate LFR from the other difficulties.

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it should be tuned with the assumption of never having a heroic or mythic geared player in there. they should make it so a full group of 25 people geared in the previous tiers LFR gear can clear with minimal wipes.

edit: btw i didnt vote cause there aren't enough options. none of them fit how i felt.

I fully agree that it should be tuned for 25 LFR players and I don't think the buff you get after a wipe is enough. Cause after the first wipe, you can be sure someone's going to leave. Then you sit there and wait for the last people and god forbid it's a healer and a tank. No, it needs to be tuned so that even while half the raid is afk and the other half are doing 25% of what their gear allows them, they will still kill the boss. It would solve so much raging in LFR tbh.

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The problem is you did not have an alternative way to gear up, had they continued to make heroic dungeons or give LFR quality trinkets and gear in heroic scenario there would have been no reason for any raider to go into the LFR, unless they just want the gear for transmog if they so chose too. Raiders used the LFR as way to get around the RNG and having to grind out the endless rep to get vendor gear. I argue that it was not the numb nuts were the problem, it was Blizzard and not making away for raiders to get gear from another source and the greedy raiders that just did not want to deal with having to grind rep or deal with RNG, like they had to before the LFR even came into play.

By the looks of things the are making three different levels of whatever legendary item. which makes sense from the standpoint that no one that raids normal and above should ever be in the LFR in the first place. Changing the gear in the LFR does nothing but hurt the people that actually play the game and not screw around. The raiders concentrate on all the numb nuts and ruin the experience for the rest of us because I we want is to get the wing done and move on. People are always going to jerks and not want to be part of a group that is the nature of being a jerk in the first place to get a reaction from someone and be disruptive. Problem is most raider take the bite and be just as disruptive to those that just want to move on.

People that only do the LFR for reason unto themselves do so because the either don't have the time for the whole song and dance that comes with most normal raid group, they been to that show and they just don't care to deal with it anymore, way to much politics going on in most guild groups. They can deal with the numbs nuts in the LFR, because they simply just ignore them and don't worry about them, because many know if you do or say something they are going to rage pull a shit ton of trash, wipe the raid and leave. It better to just go about your business down the trash and the boss, then move on to the next one then leave and wait for the next queue to pop.

Heroic raiders also have this perception that the LFR is suppose to be an actual raid, it might be the same content but it hardly something different or just bit higher than heroic dungeon. Raiders also have this perception that everyone that goes in the LFR does so with the same mentality as they do, that is just mind blow to me. LFR is a tool and that tool used properly help people understand the basic concept of the fights, give then a chance to get their gear right to perform on a decent level.

Unfortunately there is a segment of the populous that just does not want to do anymore than just figure out a way to get under people skin. Sadly, they also come in packs, so it make it very difficult to just boot them all from the group with all the CD's Blizzard puts in place to prevent decent people from being subject to jerk raiders and kicked out of the group.

Blizzard's problem is they chose not to keep doing dungeons, I think mostly because they have a very short shelf life given all the time they need to invest creating them. Maybe they should have not made the RNG in the normal environment so tight in the first place or made getting vendor gear a bit more friendly instead of having to grind months of rep out to get a filler piece of gear, or better yet really give some decent pattern to the armor making professions to combat the tough RNG. They could of done a whole slew of thing to make it to where a raider did not have to jump into the LFR all the way through MoP, they chose not to and the LFR became the mean and nasty step child that it is today.

Now Blizzard's solution to the problem is to make no tier gear or decent trinket in the LFR. Sadly this does nothing to help the situation, it is a mere band-aid to coverup huge social problem. Gear is the easiest to fix, but it does nothing to actually address what happen or was allowed to happen in the LFR.

I agree that it isn't so much the players in LFR that's causing the issue, it's Blizz and the design of LFR. Cause ofc you're going to have issues when raiders join for some Legendary items and just wanna get it done fast and then you have the majority of the raid who just can't pull their weight so the boss die. If the bosses were tuned for a semi afk raid, nobody would care about the newbie who's auto attacking, the Hunter with no pet etc. But when a group wipes to something everyone considers piss easy, then those who do carry their own weight or more will get upset.

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Its sad when someone else's enjoyment of a game depends on their own superiority complex. What other people do, or think, in-game doesn't have any effect on you.

I get your point and I generally agree with it. The difference in terms of the current LFR design, is that it does affect Normal/HC raiders what LFR players do/don't do. Sure you could tell the players farming cloaks that they could just make their own groups but why would they, when LFR is there? And in LFR I personally get really frustrated/pissed off, when I wipe on Durumu cause 20 players died to the beam (not even joking). I never afk during a boss in LFR, cause I know I can carry a lot of the dps but when I then see the shitter in full greens just afk his/her way to loot, then I get pissed.

[Lightwysh]

Easy fix - keep lfr, make it so each player toon only gets loot from each boss once per lockout.

Example: Raider 1 kills boss x on lfr, raider one now cannot get loot from boss x on the harder difficulties until the following week.

This will keep the people who feel LFR is beneath them from going in just to get a set piece or trinket. It would then courage people to try the hardest difficulty they can do.

[Serissa]

LFR is fine. LFR loot is fine. Don't like it - don't do it. If you don't run LFR - stop designing something you don't participate/understand/whatever.

BTW I hope Blizz wil remove tier sets from all difficulties but mythic. Can imagine 133t whinefest.

[RoKPaNda]

Why do you care? I don't understand. Normal, heroic, and mythic raiders already get much much better gear than LFR raiders. Normal/Heroic/Mythic raiders get special achievements, vanity pets, mounts, etc in addition to the much better gear. Why do you need to add more degrading shit to the LFR players? Do you really want an even more empty game? Because that's what you'd get the more you take things away from the LFR crowd. They are the majority, and if you piss them off and they feel like their progression path isn't rewarding, they're not going to "step it up." and jump into "real raiding." - They're going to leave, and then you'll have your pets and mounts and better gear and achievements and nobody to flex your raider muscles to.

The game is not, cannot, and will not go back to the way it was in Vanilla where Blizzard could cater to the top 2% of the playerbase.

LFR is fine. LFR loot is fine. Don't like it - don't do it. If you don't run LFR - stop designing something you don't participate/understand/whatever.

BTW I hope Blizz wil remove tier sets from all difficulties but mythic. Can imagine 133t whinefest.

Oh please this, please. I'd LOVE for tier sets to be Mythic only. That way the people that complain about LFR won't have them either, because the players that will be running mythic don't give a damn about LFR.

[MoanaLisa]

I'd like to see colored text on gear disappear altogether since it does nothing but cause arguments. Let it rise or fall on ilevel alone since that's really what players care about.

LFR is fine. Stop suggesting it be removed if you don't run it. For years I didn't once enter a BG and I've never done arena. You won't find me complaining that PVP should be out of the game.

Finally I'll suggest you go and read the third part of the summary on the history of raiding that Watcher wrote and published a few months ago. Raid Finder is here to stay. The believe it to be important and are putting some effort to make sure that those that it's intended for get something out of it and those that it's not intended for can stay away.