Simulationcraft results for WoD

[fabific]

Good to see some early insight into an opener, so those numbers are basically what some loot councils will use unless we show them rogues won't be complete shit. Our class seems to be hurting, of course each rogue player might bring more to the table other than just numbers. Why would I stay rogue if I can mage at 30% more damage?

Assassination opener I'm assuming is
Prepot-> mutilatex2
Sr-> Vendt->rupture

[Imotbh]

Wasn't the Assa opener : Mut > Rupt > Mutx2 > CD > Envenom? Has it changed for 6.2?

[Elimite]

Wasn't the Assa opener : Mut > Rupt > Mutx2 > CD > Envenom? Has it changed for 6.2?

I was always
Stealth > mut to 5 point (6 for anticiapation) Rupture Pool to 50 or so > shadow and vendetta macro > mut to 5 envenom continue rotation as normal

[Rosvall]

I was always
Stealth > mut to 5 point (6 for anticiapation) Rupture Pool to 50 or so > shadow and vendetta macro > mut to 5 envenom continue rotation as normal

According to Skyze:

You want to keep mutilating/dispatching until 5+ combo points and then pool energy before popping the macro - to throw out 100% crit Envenom instead of mutilate and get better start for your rotation after popping cooldowns. You also want to use Rupture during last scond(s) of SR to get the reflection to copy Rupture in additiont to refreshing your own Rupture.

[Elimite]

According to Skyze:

You want to keep mutilating/dispatching until 5+ combo points and then pool energy before popping the macro - to throw out 100% crit Envenom instead of mutilate and get better start for your rotation after popping cooldowns. You also want to use Rupture during last scond(s) of SR to get the reflection to copy Rupture in additiont to refreshing your own Rupture.

so i should mut to 5 then pool after rupture before macro also then?

[Deleted]

Any news on what's the best racials per spec now that PTR is almost done?

[Mac223]

You also want to use Rupture during last scond(s) of SR to get the reflection to copy Rupture in additiont to refreshing your own Rupture.

I was under the impression that any rupture the clone casts falls off when the clone dies.

Edit: I was wrong.

[Warstar]

Why for assassination do you rupture before you clone? Wouldn't it be more beneficial for the clone to apply the rupture as well?

[Smassy]

Why for assassination do you rupture before you clone? Wouldn't it be more beneficial for the clone to apply the rupture as well?

No, because the rupture the clone applies doesn't proc Venomous Wounds, and Rupture by itself hits with less damage than a wet noodle would.

[PessimiStick]

No, because the rupture the clone applies doesn't proc Venomous Wounds, and Rupture by itself hits with less damage than a wet noodle would.

Except that Rupture does more damage than Envenom and costs less energy, of course.

Average Envenom last night: 45,229
Average Rupture: 65,064

[Dextar]

With soul capacitor if you get a proc then pop SR + Vend you can do some pretty nuts damage.

[Deleted]

1) Premed SnD -> Vanish Rupture -> Dance

Can anyone one be a little bit more explicit please ?

I am currently doing this :

-10sec Premeditation
-2sec Slice and Dice + Pre-pot
1) Ambush
2) Hemo
3) Ambush
4) Shadow Reflection + Beating Heart of the Mountain
5) Rupture
6) Shadow Dance
7) Ambush to 5 points
8) Slice and Dice
9) Ambush to 5 points
10) Rupture

Then when dance is over, wait for Find Weakness to fade, and Vanish (with energy pulled) + Ambush.

If I am able to use Shadow Dance in step #6 it's because I have less than 60 energy, and 2PT17 gives me 60 energy so I'm nearly full and can spam.

But I don't really understand what Ryme told me, so if anyone did understood, please enlighten me.

Thanks

[P0kerZ]

The BiS Assassination list has Terrorweave Wristwraps but these drop from Kazzak according to Wowhead. I also found a BiS list saying these were a trash drop. And, as far as I know, there wouldn't be a mythic world boss.

There are two other BoEs I found on Wowhead:
Flayed Demonskin Belt
Jungle Assassin's Footpads

So, I want to assume these two are the real trash drops for HFC.

[Mac223]

Can anyone one be a little bit more explicit please?

Edit: We're assuming that the new setbonuses are in effect.

Vanishing during the opener made a lot of sense before the setbonuses were significantly nerfed, but I'm not entirely convinced that the loss in FW-uptime is worth it now. I don't know if he has sim'd openers for 6.2, but to clarify Ryme's quote we have the opener that I think is pretty close to optimal - which also wins the prize for simplicity:

Premed->SnD
0s: Vanish+SR+Rupture
1s: Shadow Dance

Alternatively you may want to delay the vanish a bit:

Premed->SnD
0s: Garrote
1s: Ambush
Pool
SR+rupture
Shadow Dance + Vanish

If it turns out that it isn't worth it to vanish during the opener then you take " + Vanish" out of the last line, essentially going back to doing what you did during Highmaul.

[Ryme]

Any news on what's the best racials per spec now that PTR is almost done?

I'll run these today and update.

Why for assassination do you rupture before you clone? Wouldn't it be more beneficial for the clone to apply the rupture as well?

I'll double check on this as well.

The BiS Assassination list has Terrorweave Wristwraps but these drop from Kazzak according to Wowhead. I also found a BiS list saying these were a trash drop. And, as far as I know, there wouldn't be a mythic world boss.

Aha! Thanks for the catch, I assume this means they don't exist in mythic form? I'll update the gear lists as well.

- - - Updated - - -

Ah, I remember now why it's not worth using reflection before your first rupture, it's simply better to open the reflection with Envenom.

[Deleted]

Ah, I remember now why it's not worth using reflection before your first rupture, it's simply better to open the reflection with Envenom.

Any reason to have this Rupture be a 5CP one? Im usually doing a 2CP Rupture from the Mutilate out of stealth, then pop Vend+SR, go ham with Mut+Env, and do a 5CP Rupture as the first one runs out (somewhere in the middle-end of SR uptime).

EDIT:
Going into SR with Envenom, do you mean having the Env buff or having 5CP so you get a big Envenom hit when SR starts?

[Ryme]

First rupture is 2 or 3 cp point one from mutilate opening.

Going in, you have your 5 cps ready, pop the dps cds, then envenom so your reflection also envenoms.

[Deleted]

Edit: We're assuming that the new setbonuses are in effect.

Vanishing during the opener made a lot of sense before the setbonuses were significantly nerfed, but I'm not entirely convinced that the loss in FW-uptime is worth it now. I don't know if he has sim'd openers for 6.2, but to clarify Ryme's quote we have the opener that I think is pretty close to optimal - which also wins the prize for simplicity:

Premed->SnD
0s: Vanish+SR+Rupture
1s: Shadow Dance

Alternatively you may want to delay the vanish a bit:

Premed->SnD
0s: Garrote
1s: Ambush
Pool
SR+rupture
Shadow Dance + Vanish

If it turns out that it isn't worth it to vanish during the opener then you take " + Vanish" out of the last line, essentially going back to doing what you did during Highmaul.

Thank you !

[Ryme]

Updated with race analysis, changed assassination trinket and combat race.

[Deleted]

Thanks for your work again. I see Soul Capacitor is still in the Assa BiS list despite Felspring Coil being better in the trinkets breakdown, which one is accurate ?