6.0 PvE Ret Paladin Theorycraft & Discussion

[Solsacra]

HotR is ahead at four targets by a small margin. I think that is reflected in the SimC APL as well. I just haven't updated the relevant information yet.

[Hofflerand]

Gotcha, thanks for the heads up.

[rahkarn]

what buff uptimes are you good players looking at when you play? (pvp 4piece)

[anaxie]

Should be 100% unless you're a shutter who always dies I'd think.

Maybe I'll stop sitting half of mythic farm because I don't need the trash

[Arzosah]

Its pretty easy to maintain near 100% uptime of the buff. Unless there's parts of the fight where you cant attack anything for a while.

[Deleted]

Does the trinket ranking listing take into account the legendary ring? An extra 220 STR on ring proc if you're using Scabbard might push it up a little.

[Marrel]

Been looking around for the best talents for each fight in highmaul and haven't been able to find anything so I thought I would check with everyone here.

Here is what I'm currently doing:
Kargath - HA/Sera
Butcher - HA/Sera
Tectus - DP/FV
Bracken - DP/FV
Twins - DP/FV
Ko'ragh - SW/FV
Imp - DP/FV

Let me know if you use talents different than mine on these fights, would like to hear any input.

Side question: For those who use worldoflogs, is there a way to check which talents players are using for each parse? That would be super helpful to be able to do!

[Yardu]

Been looking around for the best talents for each fight in highmaul and haven't been able to find anything so I thought I would check with everyone here.

Here is what I'm currently doing:
Kargath - Sera/SW
Butcher - Sera/SW
Tectus - DP/FV
Bracken - Sera/SW
Twins - DP/FV
Ko'ragh - Sera/SW
Imp - DP/FV

Let me know if you use talents different than mine on these fights, would like to hear any input.

Side question: For those who use worldoflogs, is there a way to check which talents players are using for each parse? That would be super helpful to be able to do!

Personally I like emps for single target but that's just a play style thing and in my simming, Sera and Emps are too close in damage for it to be a problem that I like Emps.

For tectus Emps+SW pulls more DPS for me than FV. I started out using Fv on tectus at the begining of the expac but switched as most of the fight is single target or two targets.

Bracken, FV and DP pulls more dps for me due to the fact that there's two targets for most of the fights. It's really like twins except imagine a slightly longer whirlwind and that's how long you're just doing single target.

Ko'ragh, I believe you'll actually want to be as magical in damage as you can be on that boss. FV and DP is what I go with myself. Sera just = more physical damage.

[Varabently]

Hola MMO Champions, am new to Paladins. Can Captain explain how Final Verdict is supposed to be the best Cleave output? You spend 3 HP on a single target Spell which empowers your next Divine Storm by 100% and that is essentially the same as just casting 2 Divine Storms. Is this just from the free Divine Storm proc?

FV DP is considered the best because you can potentially string together lots of free combos (FV->DS). And what you forget is that, yes FV buffs DS, but you also get the FV damage, which is considerable, albeit single target. So you get 2 divine storms plus 1 FV for the same price.

[MBDTF]

What I've found to be the best is:
Kargath - SW/Seraphim if you're not doing crowds
Butcher - SW/Seraphim
Brackenspore - FV/DP
Twin Ogron - FV/DP or SW/FV - SW is the safer route in terms of output
Ko'ragh - HA/FV
Imperator - SW/Seraphim

[SolaronTich]

Hola MMO Champions, am new to Paladins. Can Captain explain how Final Verdict is supposed to be the best Cleave output? You spend 3 HP on a single target Spell which empowers your next Divine Storm by 100% and that is essentially the same as just casting 2 Divine Storms. Is this just from the free Divine Storm proc?

Weaving FV/DS and just spamming DS are identical, except for two things.

First, just raw ability use/damage output. With just DS spam, after two DSs you've done damage equal to 2DS (if DS is the damage of DS). By weaving, you deal FV damage, plus a supercharged DS that does 2DS. So, by weaving you deal (FV + 2DS) damage with 6 holy power instead of just (2DS) by spamming DS.

Secondly, by alternating FV and DS, you have a greater probability that the DS you will cast is cast with EDS up. If you're spamming DS, each DS you cast has a 25% of having the buff up, but when alternating FV and DS, you get two chances to proc EDS: one from the previous DS, and one from the FV, resulting in around a 44% chance to have EDS up with each DS cast.

[Relimash]

What I've found to be the best is:
Kargath - SW/Seraphim if you're not doing crowds
Butcher - SW/Seraphim
Brackenspore - FV/DP
Twin Ogron - FV/DP or SW/FV - SW is the safer route in terms of output
Ko'ragh - HA/FV
Imperator - SW/Seraphim

you forgot the infamous

HA FV is pretty much required for mythic Tectus.

ROUND 2 -- FIGHT!

srry had to do it.

[MBDTF]

you forgot the infamous

ROUND 2 -- FIGHT!

srry had to do it.

already made my point about HA FV being required for tectus, didn't need to include it in the list

[Deleted]

This is what i used for all Mythic encounters, assuming you are not doing the crowd. If you decide to go with DP for Imperator you should get benched.

Kargath - SW/Sera
Butcher - SW/Sera
Twins - DP/FV
Tectus - HA/FV
Bracken - DP/FV
Koragh - SW/FV
Imperator - SW/FV

[decyphier]

If you decide to go with DP for Imperator you should get benched.

oh /10char

[Judgebringer]

How's Ret in PVE? Compared to other classes.

[Draekan]

Not sure if I've missed it said at some point, but the PvP set bonus doesn't seem to be working in sims for me. Either that, or switching 665 shoulders and 660 gloves for 620 gloves and shoulders to get the set bonus is a 2k DPS loss.

Edit: Nevermind. Simmed again to confirm and the buff from the 4 set is not logged in Simcraft. Therefore I'd assume that it's not calculated into the sims.

[protip]

So I'm curious. I see a lot of people ranking in terms of Sera and FV, but wasn't EmpS and SW simming the best for single target?

[Reghame]

How's Ret in PVE? Compared to other classes.

i think we may be #1 dps as for right now due to broken pvp 4 set and how short almost all of these fights are. i suspect foundry to push us to around slightly higher than middle of the pack for all around dps due to longer fights and being mostly cleave ( plus no pvp 4 set and other classes get more stuffz)

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So I'm curious. I see a lot of people ranking in terms of Sera and FV, but wasn't EmpS and SW simming the best for single target?

Emp seals requires much more and assumes you will always have buffs and sometimes you cant. Secondly, its also a sustained dps talent, where all these fights are REALLY short duration which means burst wins all day long. ( sometimes good rng but w/e)

[Yardu]

i think we may be #1 dps as for right now due to broken pvp 4 set and how short almost all of these fights are. i suspect foundry to push us to around slightly higher than middle of the pack for all around dps due to longer fights and being mostly cleave ( plus no pvp 4 set and other classes get more stuffz)

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Emp seals requires much more and assumes you will always have buffs and sometimes you cant. Secondly, its also a sustained dps talent, where all these fights are REALLY short duration which means burst wins all day long. ( sometimes good rng but w/e)

My empowered seals buffs never fall off.

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