6.0 PvE Ret Paladin Theorycraft & Discussion

[Relimash]

you forgot the destro lock one but yeah, its kinda annoying that we have that restriction on our class trinket. where there are SO MANY class trinkets that dont have some bullshit tied to them.

Not the end of the world but it would be nice if it just stacked to 3, period, no matter what target.
The 10 seconds is whatever cause it dose take some, however little, skill to make sure you dont let it fall.

"I cant target sawp, ill lose dps. " ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[Butosai]

If ecounter/tactics allows it, what do you think about lining up 2nd ES with 4p, do you think is it worth the wait for extra ES damage plus potential RPPM trinket proc at the same time with 2nd AW up?

0 min - AW+ ES
1 min - AW+ ES
2 min - AW+ ES
3 min - ES
4 min - AW+ ES

at this point you will be at your normal 2 minute cd rotation, assuming patchwerk conditions

3 of your first 4 Execution sentences will benefit from the shitty tier bonus. Doesnt look so shitty when you look at it from this angle

[Huntingbear_grimbatol]

See that's why I'm kinda sad that there's no on use trinket for us- maybe the MS on use trinket will stay usable since it'll line up for a lot of the AW/ES combinations. Sure ilvls but I really dislike the trinkets in HFC, 1 trinket stacking fire damage for 1.5k - 3k dps depending on ilvl, 1 cleave trinket ressurected from Dragon Soul, 1 stacking strength trinket and 1 stacking damage % buff trinket? Oh and let's not forget the passive trinket with leech, versatility and avoidance?

[Xenocidic]

I assumed the trinket that put the burn on a target would be great but I kept getting undeerwhelming results with it. I probably need to do more testing with it but the initial impression was it was pretty bad.

The problem is that even with it being pretty poor trinket it was still a solid 5-6% of my damage and it didn't require jumping through hoops to keep it going like the class trinket will on multi target fights. Combined with the cleave being another 5-8% at least and the two of them are ideal assuming the class trinket is not changed which, lets not kid ourselves, it won't be.

[Deleted]

The problem is that even with it being pretty poor trinket it was still a solid 5-6% of my damage and it didn't require jumping through hoops to keep it going like the class trinket will on multi target fights. Combined with the cleave being another 5-8% at least and the two of them are ideal assuming the class trinket is not changed which, lets not kid ourselves, it won't be.

This is the thing about the class trinket that gets me; you will get differing amounts of damage benefit depending on both the fight and your raid's strategy for doing the fight (for example the difference between switching to adds and being allowed to stick on Archimonde which most won't be allowed to do). I just hope that the other trinkets will work out better for the tier (as the others will be higher item level until you are killing Archimonde on Mythic, but then sod's law I'll get it from a cache probably).

[Reghame]

0 min - AW+ ES
1 min - AW+ ES
2 min - AW+ ES
3 min - ES
4 min - AW+ ES

at this point you will be at your normal 2 minute cd rotation, assuming patchwerk conditions

3 of your first 4 Execution sentences will benefit from the shitty tier bonus. Doesnt look so shitty when you look at it from this angle

that is basically the whole point of that bonus honestly. it is no surprise it is a 10 second buff and the final tick from ES also coincidentally gets the biggest % mod.

id be more in line with something that didnt say HOPE YOUR ES CRIT BUDDY! OR YOU DID NO DAMAGE!

as for the cleave trinket it will be fixed, the same was with the cleave trinket back in dragon soul when on the ptr it went from 30% of your damage single target, to 1% single target, to 5% liveish. surprised about the rest of the weights though.

[Huntingbear_grimbatol]

Anyone tried prot pala dps build yet? The 4set for prot is silly to say the least...

[Chris Singer]

Does ES last tick benefit from the 50% damage bonus if ES/AW are cast within the same global, or does ES need to be cast just before? Thought I saw some mention of the last stack of the set bonus being... "weird?"

[Huntingbear_grimbatol]

Does ES last tick benefit from the 50% damage bonus if ES/AW are cast within the same global, or does ES need to be cast just before? Thought I saw some mention of the last stack of the set bonus being... "weird?"

just macro them together and you should be fine assuming you don't fatfinger AW before you have a GCD ready.

[Ryuujin]

Loving Discordant Chorus trinket. Reminds me of Bone Link Fetish back in Dragon Soul.

[Reghame]

Does ES last tick benefit from the 50% damage bonus if ES/AW are cast within the same global, or does ES need to be cast just before? Thought I saw some mention of the last stack of the set bonus being... "weird?"

ES no longer snap shots, you use ES then wings and you get the 50% bonus on the very last tick ( which is the only important tick from ES anyhow)

Problem we have now is ES is becoming a really big factor in damage due to 4 set and wings. we might see big swings in our damage based on if that final tick of ES crit/multistruck or not more so than before. (im talking like a million or so damage swings here, not a couple dps)

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just macro them together and you should be fine assuming you don't fatfinger AW before you have a GCD ready.

yes and it shits ALLLLLLLLLLL over ret in aoe, just saying. ret will not cleave/AOE this patch you will be prot or you will be sat.

single does not seem to be that behind if you go with the fel trinket (cleave might be good too? not sure did not use it yet) nothing says stupid damage like spamming avenger shield. the spell actually beats our TV baseline and its funny as hell. i dont think the bonus will stay though, the prot community is in an uproar on leaving because their tier set sucks balls and are considered the worst tank in the whole land.

[Solsacra]

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...amp-Discussion

6.2 Theorycraft thread is up. Let's gravitate over there, this one can slip away into the archives of the internet. Bit late to the party with throwing up the 6.2 thread, better late than never, i suppose.

[Deleted]

Better late then never indeed! bye bye 6.0 !

[Abeto]

I was checking the thread to see if there was any update and I've noticed that for T17 DP FV the weight of haste has increased a lot compared to before. How is that possible?

[Krekko]

6.2 is nearing each day, so I'm going to ask discussions continue over int he new 6.2 thread!

Thanks!