6.0 PvE Ret Paladin Theorycraft & Discussion

[OrcsRLame]

HA is always going to be a viable CM talent since most of what good CM times is about is good burst AoE, and I'm quite confident HA is our strongest talent by far in terms of that.

Yeah, HA is great. I was just reading a lot of discussion about pairing it with Seraphim or EmpS, and was wondering if I was doin' it wrong by using FV.

[decyphier]

I mean, you will do more DPS if you use Seraphim instead of FV when using HA. It's just the way it works considering how short fights are when everybody's pulling their weight.

[Zolw]

i spend a lot of time today on dummy and i notice big difference between FV+DP vs EmpS+SW
second option wins by ~2k+ on 5minute fights ,

i've tested also this on 3 boss dummy for aoe test , and i observe that's better to use Tv/Ds cycle with FV instead of DS spam , and on 3 targets these combo talents seems very close to each other

and im just coriuous how many targets do we need (or we dont?) to spam only ds with FV talent , and what's the best combo talent for more then 3 targets.

[Rayocell]

and im just coriuous how many targets do we need (or we dont?) to spam only ds with FV talent , and what's the best combo talent for more then 3 targets.

You need 6+ to beat a FV+DS. Why would you want to change talents for every trash pull?

[Deleted]

I mean, you will do more DPS if you use Seraphim instead of FV when using HA. It's just the way it works considering how short fights are when everybody's pulling their weight.

HA + Sera is absolute filth. Pulling 40-50k on some bosses in CMs.

[ujx]

I don't like HA or Sera for CMs. Sure it's nasty when it's combo'd and you are a god for ~15 seconds but while it's on cd you are gonna get out dps'd by the tank. I stick with FV/DP. It's worked for me and was able to beat the hardest gold timer (Everbloom).

[Serani]

The picture and signature make me distrust everything you type, Ujx. Especially if you think Everbloom is da hardiest.

[Deleted]

You need 6+ to beat a FV+DS. Why would you want to change talents for every trash pull?

It never becomes superior until the point where enemies will die before a FV + DS can be used. the damage from each HP spent on FV is literally free in AOE situations. Always continue to use FV for AOE, regardless of number of targets until they are about to die.

[Zolw]

maybe it's bad place to asking about it but i have question about Socket vs Warforged , what's better ? from what i see socket win

[templarkhaz]

Hey guys,

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...3%A1r/advanced

thats my toon. when i run simcraft it is telling me that haste is ever so slightly better than mastery and when set to helterskelter it becomes better again!

is there something tht i am doing wrong or should i be looking for more haste?

[Velshin]

HA + Sera is absolute filth. Pulling 40-50k on some bosses in CMs.

I'm doing similar burst with FV +DP with lucky streak of 6+ procs in the row, was doing over 51k+.

Overall I like FV +DP way better than HA+ Sera maybe less bursty but more stable and sustain damage and also being 10 yard range is super useful.

[Deleted]

I don't see how you guys pull 50k on bosses, I'm nowhere near that and I'm executing the priority-dpssystem pretty decently

[Prometheous]

SW + EmpS for life.

at least until 4pc.

[Felkor]

50k+ in burst "could be" achievable with seraph + AW, or with a very lucky streak with DP, but only during a short duration. For a one minute fight, I highly doubt so.
For a build DP+FV, the simulationcraft gives us a DPS burst of ~40k raidbuffed, ~20k sustained, in ilvl630, which is close to what I can see in game (considering the lack of raid buff / bloodlust / etc).

[thunderdragon2]

any1 know if it will be worth getting any set peices?, the stats dont look thta impressive and the bonuse look meh, or should i just go all off set?

hope im wrong about these

[Fredzilla]

There's a giant super-informative intro post on the first page for a reason.

Maybe you should get the thread's name changed to "READ THE FIRST POST" solsa =|

[Doodledoo]

There's a giant super-informative intro post on the first page for a reason.

Maybe you should get the thread's name changed to "READ THE FIRST POST" solsa =|

So much this.

[Hofflerand]

Out of curiosity, does anyone know where to place Holy Prism on our priority list? It might be a tricky question seeing as how Prism is a quirky ability.

[Deleted]

The issue with Empowered Seals is always going to be that if the Seals are strong distinctly, then the talent becomes grossly overpowered in the hands of Mythic-level players. It's an inherent design flaw that mostly likely will consign EmpS to being "viable on pure ST if you do it correctly 100% of the time and even then only 500 DPS ahead" for the entire expansion because buffing the individual Seals would make EmpS way, way, way too good.

I mean even if they make the buffs last 30 seconds, it's only giving us one or two more globals per refresh cycle. The Seals simply don't do enough distinctly and if they did, EmpS would be overpowered.

i would be happy, if they simple take the gcd off the seals... its kinda annoying and clunky as fuck

[Deleted]

Out of curiosity, does anyone know where to place Holy Prism on our priority list? It might be a tricky question seeing as how Prism is a quirky ability.

The answer is that Holy Prism isn't in our priority list at all because it's an exceptionally poor talent choice, so its existence is disregarded. We simply don't have enough available globals to use it properly so you should quite frankly never take it.