6.0 PvE Ret Paladin Theorycraft & Discussion

[Xs]

For me, it was more of I don't want the general consensus being "str > secondaries no matter what" because that's not actually the case. Different ret playstyles use different weights so it's not always a case of highest ilvl wins.

Sockets are op, other than that its ilvl > all

[Fredzilla]

For me, it was more of I don't want the general consensus being "str > secondaries no matter what" because that's not actually the case. Different ret playstyles use different weights so it's not always a case of highest ilvl wins.

Never said it was the case. If you look at the actual numbers, nothing would suggest it either. Stat weights are stat weights. I've had plenty of instances where higher ilvl gear isn't better than the blues i have. Sockets are a big cause of that, because even with cheap gems, it's a bigger source of stats than a few ilvls on the gear. Mast/Multi 645 bracers were in fact worse, as far as the weights on the front page are concerned, than my 636/socket haste/vers bracers. Just do the math at least, and no one will ever need to wonder. Solsa's doing all this work for a reason. Not so we can all ignore it and keep asking the same questions over and over.

Also note that I'm not calling you out or anything just because I quoted you. Just using your post as a springboard.

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other than that its ilvl > all

No, except maybe weapons.

[Relimash]

Guys. Just do the math. It's not hard to multiply a few numbers, and then add the sums of those numbers together. Or better yet, plug that shit into a sim and let the computer do the math for you

[Xs]

Heres basically the same graph as you've seen above, but with str plotted

Yeah..
FV/SW

[Relimash]

Sockets are op, other than that its ilvl > all

It's not a one case scenario, there is not blanket statement explaining that something is and always be better than something else. Math

[Xs]

Our worst itemised neck (using my weights) vs our best, I know its not always as open and shut as a simple ilvl comparison, but with as little as 6 item levels it makes enough of a difference, all be it not a huge one.

[Curulan]

[Honestly] right now, [in] just about every case, ilvl will be your best stat. Strength is just that good.

Which seems to be the overall line of thought Blizzard is going with, IMHO. Secondary stats make a difference when you have multiple drops of the same item level, but generally speaking, if it's a higher grade item, equip it and be done.

[Relimash]

Scabbard got changed. again.
So did skull.
Lmfao.

[Solsacra]

Before anyone freaks outs, Blizzard just deployed another Hotfix to several trinkets. So, once again, Stuff is going to change.

[Xavaran]

They just buffed Scabbard by adding 140 versatility. That makes no sense at all.

[UnderworldSoup]

Is the DMC worth looking into over some of the alternatives in combination with the Scabbard now? I know some discussion was going on a while ago about the DMC being junk.

As an introductory trinket to heroics this week, I mean.

[Xs]

Is the DMC worth looking into over some of the alternatives in combination with the Scabbard now? I know some discussion was going on a while ago about the DMC being junk.

As an introductory trinket to heroics this week, I mean.

Initial Sim still shows the difference between MBoF and Skull being 200 DPS, so its certainly not punching above its weight like Scabbard certainly is.

And MBoF is still better than SoA

[Deleted]

skull got str buff, so i think its kinda ok now right?

[Kennpai]

skull got str buff, so i think its kinda ok now right?

According to the stat weights linked in the OP and http://www.wowhead.com/news=244840/a...coming-apexis- the buff it got, yes it's about ~500ish dps better then Mote wf or with socket.

[Chris Singer]

Full trinket change log (so far): http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/15491459086

RIP SoK being BiS entire tier.

[Solsacra]

Hmm, changes accounted for, Scabbard still crushes the other 665's and is competitive with the Heroic Foundry trinkets. looks like the BiS profile will change, yet again. ughh.

[Deleted]

so which weapon enchant is the way to go? it was brought up some times but there was never a clear answer (or I missed it).

[Kennpai]

so which weapon enchant is the way to go? it was brought up some times but there was never a clear answer (or I missed it).

Current SimulationCraft shows mark of the bleeding hollow(mastery proc), so I'd assume that one.

[Felkor]

The mastery is our best secondary stats, and is linear, so yes it is logic that the mastery proc is better than the others.
(But I'll wait a weapon 655+ for this one!)

[Rathimis]

I simmed the bleed vs the mastery enchant for weapons and got the Mastery enchant coming out as 4 dps more

Yes, 4