6.0 PvE Ret Paladin Theorycraft & Discussion

[Deleted]

When you get your second follower to 645 ilvl you get a Highmaul raid mission. The CD on getting the mission is around 2-2.5 weeks and the mission expires in around 3 days. If you kill 15 heroic bosses you get the mythic version of the mission: http://www.wowhead.com/item=118531#comments

Where the hell did that info come from? I have got 2 missions exactly 1 week after the one before(and i mean exactly 7 days, to the minute), and i have had my first mission for 10 days before finishing it, so it lasts a lot longer than 3 days (some say 300+ hours). I know that my next mission will arrive thursday 10:15 pm... same as last two(got 3 so far)
Thing about 15 kill on normal to get heroic and 15 kill on heroic to get mythic mission is correct tho, same as 645ilvl followers

[yeto]

Where the hell did that info come from? I have got 2 missions exactly 1 week after the one before(and i mean exactly 7 days, to the minute), and i have had my first mission for 10 days before finishing it, so it lasts a lot longer than 3 days (some say 300+ hours). I know that my next mission with arrive thursday 10:15 pm... same as last two(got 3 so far)
Thing about 15 kill on normal to get heroic and 15 kill on heroic to get mythic mission is correct tho, same as 645ilvl followers

its 9 days since my last raid misson

[Deleted]

its 9 days since my last raid misson

Some have reported even 3 weeks... so far ive got every mission right on time 1-2 week after the one before, to the minute! So it clearly has some other things that influence when it will appear! My point was that it just isnt 2-2.5 weeks, at it can be less and it can be more, depending on other stuff (no idea what other stuff is), and it can last for much longer than 3 days... was just giving the example of why the info is wrong!

To sum it up: 10 days before doing 1st one, 4 days later got 2nd (2 weeks since i got the first), done 2nd asap, got 3rd exactly 1 week after 2nd! So maybe it is 1 week but if you have the mission that week, it waits till next? no idea... As all missions ive got were on thursday... 2 week or 1 week after the one before

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...l-Raid-Mission

Since this is ret thread, we should probably discuss mission there

[Solsacra]

I got my first mythic piece yesterday, and figured it would be a good time to Sim for stat scaling again.
I was a bit surprised Haste is scaling better than before, if anyone can please validate or give input on the data :

for Patchwerk single target style I get the following scaling :



for HecticAddCleave I get :



Simming was done with DP + FV, and had the following gear stats :

# gear_strength=2611
# gear_stamina=3567
# gear_crit_rating=454
# gear_haste_rating=488
# gear_mastery_rating=1276
# gear_armor=2081
# gear_multistrike_rating=894
# gear_versatility_rating=259

Trinkets : SoK & Tectus' Beating Heart

Run reforge plots to determine how much more haste you will need. I'm willing to bet swapping to a haste enchant on one of your rings would be sufficient. As for hectic/add/cleave you're going to get bogus numbers until the next live release of Simcraft, Divine Storm is currently bugged. Mastery is our dominant secondary for cleave/aoe by a massive margin.

[Tortheldrin]

So just picked up a SoK, should i be delaying to sync up with AW? Or should i just be using on CD. (Dunno if it was mentioned in this thread at some point there is a lot of pages :P )

[Dogchow]

Any thoughts about Ret PvP gear's 4p set bonus in PvE?

I've been using it as raid starter gear, and a 9% buff to all damage that's up practically almost 100% of the time (from TV/FV) seems something that's not worth losing for just one or two Highmaul epics; there's no single piece of armor in existence that would alone cover that loss. I've been thinking about waiting until I can replace the whole set at once.

I'm curious of this as well. How long do you hold onto the 4 piece? 9% is pretty difficult to replace.

[Xs]

So just picked up a SoK, should i be delaying to sync up with AW? Or should i just be using on CD. (Dunno if it was mentioned in this thread at some point there is a lot of pages :P )

Sync

I'm curious of this as well. How long do you hold onto the 4 piece? 9% is pretty difficult to replace.

It'll be in SimCraft Soon™, my guess would be you'd need 4/4 with some of them at least being WF or Socket, but it may well be better than that

[Deleted]

Can someone tell me what the Simcraft APL is for in the OP? I tried using it but I always have less dps and different stat weights than the standard APL.

Also which talents on which boss do you guys use?

[Solsacra]

Are you assigning the correct talents to the required fields (leaving them blank)?

[Deleted]

Are you assigning the correct talents to the required fields (leaving them blank)?

Sorry, I don't exactly know what you mean. Are you talking about

talents=http://us.battle.net/wow/en/tool/talent-calculator#bb!.......

? If so then yes, I used my own talents which would be http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/tool/tal...or#bba!1002121

Or do you mean something else?

Edit: I experimented a little bit with the APL and now its almost the same (100 dps more with your apl and just slight differences in stat weights)

Also how reliable is the dps from SimC? SW/Sera tops everything by 1k~ dps, how good is DP/FV on Highmaul bosses with 2 enemies (Tectus, Spore, Twins, Mar'gok)

[Xs]

Also how reliable is the dps from SimC? SW/Sera tops everything by 1k~ dps, how good is DP/FV on Highmaul bosses with 2 enemies (Tectus, Spore, Twins, Mar'gok)

It can tell you reliably what you should use on Butcher, outside of that it can just tell you how different the proper talents for those bosses are going to be when all the adds are dead

[micwini]

Guys im really torn between Sanctified Wrath and Divine Purpose. Which of the 2 is the better one?

[Deleted]

Guys im really torn between Sanctified Wrath and Divine Purpose. Which of the 2 is the better one?

Depends on the fight type and what talent you're running with it. SW/Sera for pure single-target and FV with either DP or SW depending on how much cleaving there is to be done. Arguably you could even take HA for Tectus.

[superunkwn]

im currently running HA+Sera spec and am interested to know where exactly a EDS proc falls within the priority list during a burn phase. my burn phase consists of popping AW+HA+Sera and using HoW-TV-CS-TV-HoW-TV, etc.

[MBDTF]

Depends on the fight type and what talent you're running with it. SW/Sera for pure single-target and FV with either DP or SW depending on how much cleaving there is to be done. Arguably you could even take HA for Tectus.

HA FV is pretty much required for mythic Tectus.

[gratefulwop]

HA FV is pretty much required for mythic Tectus.

DP/FV felt completely fine for me on all attempts/kill. I don't know if I'd say required.

[Deleted]

DP/FV felt completely fine for me on all attempts/kill. I don't know if I'd say required.

I started using DP but found that HA gave you the burst at convenient times in the fight (i.e. at the start and then when you have the 8 adds up and need to go apeshit).

[gratefulwop]

I started using DP but found that HA gave you the burst at convenient times in the fight (i.e. at the start and then when you have the 8 adds up and need to go apeshit).

Definitely agree, but it's not "required". We used CD's/lust to burn through the last 35% of the Shards, so I had no CD's up for motes and still ranked 18th...

[Doodledoo]

That feeling when 47% chance on mythic highmaul cache and get BiS legs.

[Deleted]

Definitely agree, but it's not "required". We used CD's/lust to burn through the last 35% of the Shards, so I had no CD's up for motes and still ranked 18th...

Ranking 18th isn't really the slightest bit statistically relevant when the sample size of public kill logs is tiny. Come back and say you're rank 18 when there's 10000 logged kills and maybe your argument will have some credence, not now when there's an utter dearth of kills.