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    I paid $6 to rent it on Youtube. Kept getting "licensing" errors, and couldn't get it to play. So I...looked to see if it could be downloaded.
    The movie from what I understand was released in a small number of theaters around the country, and the streaming access was on I believe 3 platforms? Google Play, Youtube...and something else I think. Not exactly accessible to everyone, especially if you don't have a good internet connection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elim Garak View Post
    Oh please ,you won't win this argument semantically.

    Copying != taking.
    This does not change the definition of stealing.

    And yes. copying = taking. I mean for the simple fact you are making a copy for yourself to take.

  3. #203
    Quote Originally Posted by alturic View Post
    What the hell are you downloading (perhaps WHO is the better question?) that your torrents are infested with malware? Unless (not being rude, just saying...) of course you consider your antivirus/malware scanner saying KeyGenX.exe has "Win.HackTool" as being malware.

    For the record though, I can easily plow through 100GB+ a month on torrents and have yet had my firewall show anything errant sending traffic out or even attach itself to a "good" process and send out large sums of bandwidth.
    I havent used a antivirus or malware remover since about 2003, most people turn them off anyway coz they slow down their moms computer which they do not care about.
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  4. #204
    Quote Originally Posted by Kathandira View Post
    You pay for access to the internet, this does not guarantee that all content is free. Hence why there are payment methods, and also why torrenting is illegal.
    I do believe torrenting is illegal because it makes a profit out of things not their own.

  5. #205
    Quote Originally Posted by Begrudge View Post
    pirating is not illegal, distributing it is. I pay for internets, it comes with my internets, I am not stealing.
    I pay for my Costco membership, what the hell do you mean I can't take all this meat without paying for it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orly View Post
    EXCEPT stealing implies removing someone's access to something. Pirating doesn't.
    No it doesn't.

  7. #207
    Quote Originally Posted by Kathandira View Post
    You pay for access to the internet, this does not guarantee that all content is free. Hence why there are payment methods, and also why torrenting is illegal.
    Pls.

    Ask a dutchman how illegal torrenting is.

    Seeding is almost everywhere, torrenting isn't everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketknight View Post
    I watched The Interview illegally. I went to 'www.watchtheinterview.com', entered my credit card details, and was told I needed to be inside the US. I downloaded a proxy, set myself on a US server, and tried again. I was told I also needed a US credit card.

    I don't feel at all bad about watching the interview. I tried to give them my money, and they would not accept it, so now they will miss out on my money. I don't want to wait until it is available in my country to watch it; I want to watch it while it is relevant.
    I mean, the attempt is notable. But that is like saying, "I tried to knock on the door, but they didn't want to let me in, so I just picked the lock and helped myself in." I mean, yeah, you tried to enter the right way, but then you just pulled a B&E because you just had to get inside.
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  9. #209
    Quote Originally Posted by Baar View Post
    This does not change the definition of stealing.

    And yes. copying = taking. I mean for the simple fact you are making a copy for yourself to take.
    You have the wrong definition. It's a good reason as to why there are two different words. They are two different things.

  10. #210
    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketknight View Post
    I watched The Interview illegally. I went to 'www.watchtheinterview.com', entered my credit card details, and was told I needed to be inside the US. I downloaded a proxy, set myself on a US server, and tried again. I was told I also needed a US credit card.

    I don't feel at all bad about watching the interview. I tried to give them my money, and they would not accept it, so now they will miss out on my money. I don't want to wait until it is available in my country to watch it; I want to watch it while it is relevant.
    That's the thing though, if a product wasn't legally available to you why exactly do you feel you should still be able have access to that product?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orly View Post
    You have the wrong definition. It's a good reason as to why there are two different words. They are two different things.
    Whats wrong about my definition? What definition are you using.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shahad View Post
    I'm a pirate. I don't steal anything and I'm not going to stop pirating anytime soon, simply because I can't feasibly afford much. Seeing as I would not be buying the stuff I pirate, there is literally no loss on the part of the content creator. In fact, there's only gain, since I will be recommending the content I consume to others, which is essentially free advertising. There's simply no basis for treating this the same way as theft.
    The loss is that you have the potential to be a paying customer. And instead of accepting your place in the financial world, you decide since you can't afford it, you'll just help yourself to it anyway.

    You could find ways to make extra money to afford those luxuries, but instead you decided to just take it for free. Which is illegal.
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  13. #213
    Quote Originally Posted by Orly View Post
    EXCEPT stealing implies removing someone's access to something. Pirating doesn't.
    It's one and the same. It's the digital equivalent of stealing, you know that though. That's like saying as long as I'm never removing someone's access to something I'm never doing anything illegal when obtaining digital items.

  14. #214
    Quote Originally Posted by Baar View Post
    Whats wrong about my definition? What definition are you using.
    The correct one. You know....the one that implies the original owner not having something anymore.

  15. #215
    Quote Originally Posted by alturic View Post
    I pay for my Costco membership, what the hell do you mean I can't take all this meat without paying for it?
    they arent giving you meat for free from an illegal source your semantics are not relevant.
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  16. #216
    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    Can call me a sheep, but considering I will most likely be producing stuff on my own in the future, i will refuse to do what I don't want people to do to me. *shrug*
    I'm producing stuff for 10+ years now. I would prefer to know how my customers want to get my stuff.
    All right, gentlemen, let's review. The year is 2020 - that's two-zero-two-zero, as in the 21st Century's perfect vision - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of robed sissies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elim Garak View Post
    Oh please ,you won't win this argument semantically.

    Copying != taking.
    If item is available for paid digital distribution. In order to legally obtain a copy of the file, you must pay the owner of the file a fee. You did not pay this fee, there for you have stolen the copy of the file. This is illegal.
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  18. #218
    Quote Originally Posted by alturic View Post
    It's one and the same. It's the digital equivalent of stealing, you know that though. That's like saying as long as I'm never removing someone's access to something I'm never doing anything illegal when it comes to digital items.
    You'd do well to find out that it's illegal to make a profit out of things not your own, not merely copying them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orly View Post
    The correct one. You know....the one that implies the original owner not having something anymore.
    If you are talking about stealing. There is no definition that stats what you are. If there is please provide a source.

  20. #220
    Quote Originally Posted by Baar View Post
    This does not change the definition of stealing.

    And yes. copying = taking. I mean for the simple fact you are making a copy for yourself to take.
    Copying is copying. I take the copy I made - therefore it belongs to me.
    All right, gentlemen, let's review. The year is 2020 - that's two-zero-two-zero, as in the 21st Century's perfect vision - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of robed sissies.

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