Copeland's Clarity for demo

[Zevoa]

I don't think Terroguard is affected by the haste from trinket or Bloodlust.

Well, Terror/Doomguard always do the same number of casts so it doesn't really matter.

[Avikur]

I just got a copelands for 29k (that's the cheapest I've seen it on my server by about 20k at least), i'm now wondering if I should equip it or sell it on, I currently have shards of nothing and sandmans pouch (1/3), any suggestions? - I'm currently demo but off spec is destro

[Deleted]

Well, Terror/Doomguard always do the same number of casts so it doesn't really matter.

hmm, i could be wrong but i could have sworn that they changed that at the launch of WoD. atleast im getting more casts from it in WoD than i did in mop, but maybe im just delusional and seeing what i want to see.

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Same. I switch to CC for Tectus and SoN everywhere else.

Also IDK why people keep detaching using the haste proc for Fury gen or for reduced DB cooldown. It does both. Pop it during DB burn phase and you can cast 4x in 6 seconds, then have 14 seconds for generation. Meanwhile corruption and pet were already ticking faster.

bigger demonbolt numbers is my guess. some ppl tend to go for that over overall dps increase, i would definately go with SoN mythic over my copelands but i have craptastic trinks in normal runestone and copeland's, cant seem to get anything else and its annoying as fuck, was the same with pboi, couldnt get that either until like our 20th heroic kill(currently mythic). ppl tend to forget that it all adds up in the end, lower debuff duration on demonbolt+increased fury generation means more demonbolt cycles and more demonbolt cycles means more dmg AND more chance for it to crit and for the right demonbolts to crit.

[Zevoa]

hmm, i could be wrong but i could have sworn that they changed that at the launch of WoD.

Hmm.

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Actually, you may be right haha. Looking at some logs from my alt. I presume cast number is in relation to x# of casts x haste now and not x number of casts.

6 Warlocks, # of Doombolt casts:
28 - 981 Haste + Lust + SoN (Mythic) (http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...rasza/advanced)
26 - 832 Haste + Lust + SoN (Mythic) (http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...Zevoa/advanced)
26 - 770 Haste + Lust + SoN (Mythic) (http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ellzz/advanced)
26 - 675 Haste + Lust + SoN (Mythic) (http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...beast/advanced)
25 - 569 Haste + Lust (http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...usalt/advanced)
25 - 630 Haste + Lust (http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...velte/advanced)

[Deleted]

I mean, I could be wrong but if I am it's irrelevant.

its still more than the 18 casts we got in MoP atleast so they have gained more casts, fits nicely with the amount of casts you would get with bloodlust and 15ish% haste but meh.

[Zevoa]

its still more than the 18 casts we got in MoP atleast so they have gained more casts, fits nicely with the amount of casts you would get with bloodlust and 15ish% haste but meh.

Yea. At least it scales a bit more.

[Deleted]

Yea. At least it scales a bit more.

and it was a long time coming, i remember complaining about it in MoP, didnt matter if i had 40% haste+berserking+BL you'd always get 18 casts and it was pissing me off so much lol.

[Nerfarien]

I don't think Terroguard is affected by the haste from trinket or Bloodlust.

Didn't use to, now it does, since it scales with the buffs YOU have
BL is an exception since it is cast time increase but it is raid wide and affect pets, but character specific haste buffs, like Berserking, wont affect them.

[Ozbaab]

So.. I'm debating whether I should switch 670 Sandman's for Copeland's. I have mythic shards in the other slot. Haven't had any time to really test in in a raid but both sims and just nuking a dummy tells me that I should not use copeland's.

What would you have done?

[JV Chequer]

So.. I'm debating whether I should switch 670 Sandman's for Copeland's. I have mythic shards in the other slot. Haven't had any time to really test in in a raid but both sims and just nuking a dummy tells me that I should not use copeland's.

What would you have done?

For short fights like Butcher go for SoN + CC, using SoN on opening and CC on second DB dump.

For normal fights use SoN + Sandmans.

[Ozbaab]

For short fights like Butcher go for SoN + CC, using SoN on opening and CC on second DB dump.

For normal fights use SoN + Sandmans.

Thanks, will try this out.