keto diet

[Annoying]

I never understood why it's "kcal" in Europe but just calories in the US. Whenever I read kcal I think a thousand calories and I have to remind myself that's not what they mean.

It's dietary calorie (AKA large calorie) vs scientific calorie. We should just all use joules, as they're directly translatable, and joules supersede calories in IS units.

Generally speaking, if someone uses "calorie" and means kcal, they're in error, but if they use "Calorie", they are not. The capital "C" denotes a large calorie.

[Reeve]

It's dietary calorie (AKA large calorie) vs scientific calorie. We should just all use joules, as they're directly translatable, and joules supersede calories in IS units.

Generally speaking, if someone uses "calorie" and means kcal, they're in error, but if they use "Calorie", they are not. The capital "C" denotes a large calorie.

I'd be down to switch it all to joules.

[Kujako]

I'd be down to switch it all to joules.

But then stupid people would eat watches.

[Austilias]

It may well work, though it's merely a question of whether or not it's worth it. From what i've read, the adjustment period can involve a lot of suffering with a few unwanted side-effects (excessive sweating at night/during sleep, for example). It's not a fad diet, as it works and can be sustained long-term; though I would say that the vast majority of people have absolutely no reason to even consider anything keto-related. Much as people mightn't like to hear it, the simple process of eating less and exercising more should be more than sufficient in the vast majority of cases.

This also requires a hefty amount of patience; which is why keto-diets prove so popular. They get results, and fast; though you have to ask yourself if you're prepared to adjust to a long-term abstinence from (simple) carbs. Cutting out/down the likes of pasta/white bread/etc, whilst eating fresh fruit/veg, is a far more achievable compromise for most people. I haven't touched a piece of bread or pasta since day one of 2015, which has been pretty easy; truth be told. What I do eat a lot more of is kale, a super food in and by itself; nutritionally remarkable, and absurdly low in calories. Whether baked, steamed or raw; it plays a part in every one of my meals, with the exception of breakfast.

[Deezlar]

Keto works. Simple fact.

Mainly because its actually pretty tough to overeat your macros on cheese, meat and eggs!

What really annoys me is when people reduce something as wildly complex and variable as body composition and weight to nothing more than a process of putting fuel in your car.

This leads to the allusion that you put in £20 worth of fuel, you will get 100 miles out it. (I don't drive.. numbers out of my arse)

The difference being :

Your car cannot slow its fuel use to conserve petrol
Your car cannot break down parts of the car to fuel itself when fuel runs low
Your car cannot store excess fuel around its chassis in case it runs out later.

Everyone reacts differently to different eating plans and exercise regimes.
Try different things, and see what works best.

The only "fact" in all of this is that if you are focused and genuinely interested in changing things, you won't have excuses and blame an article you read for bad advice.

[Wixwix]

1500 diet? Jeez.

[Proskill]

what products exactly are recommended for keto ?

cuz things like cottage cheese, pate, nuts all contain about 2-4g carbs per 100g, cant even reach 1000kcal without exceeding 20g carbs per day

[Annoying]

Nitpicking because I can.

Your car cannot slow its fuel use to conserve petrol

Mine certainly does. Modern ECUs are wonderful.

1500 diet? Jeez.

I assume the 1500 diet is 1500kcal? I do that or less naturally.

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what products exactly are recommended for keto ?

cuz things like cottage cheese, pate, nuts all contain about 2-4g carbs per 100g, cant even reach 1000kcal without exceeding 20g carbs per day

Dead animals or animal products. 0g of carbs in steak.

[Issalice]

I've been keto for over a year now and I love it. I did it after gaining a bit of weight during a pregnancy, which ended in a miscarriage. Ended up severely depressed and the weight just piled on after. Keto looked really weird and I figured I would hate it ( i love fruits and veg). I ended up loving it. I also noticed several health benfits from it, more energy, I use to wake up feeling pretty bloated and gross even if I had just eaten a normal amount/type of food the day before. I no longer feel that way in the morning, my skin is amaaazing, the weight does drop very rapidly. Just make sure you stay hydrated.

The difference between Atkins and Keto from what I can gather is keto focus's on fat whereas Atkins is more about protein. If you haven't already please go to reddit and check out the sub r/keto. It is AMAZING. The people are incredibly helpful and kind. There are amazing websites out there for recipes as well, google caveman keto. Also it's worth signing up on pinterest just to browse all the recipes. If you decide to give it a try feel free to PM me, I'm not an expert by any means (i don't keep up with my macros 100%).


I feel compelled to add that I am NOT an expert, nor am I a doctor, this is just my opinion based on my personal experience.

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what products exactly are recommended for keto ?

cuz things like cottage cheese, pate, nuts all contain about 2-4g carbs per 100g, cant even reach 1000kcal without exceeding 20g carbs per day

Cheese, meat, spinach (your carb intake should be from leafy greens), heavy cream, eggs (lots of eggs). When I first started I stayed under 10g of carbs a day, it was hard the first few days but honestly after seeing the number on the scale go down every day it got very easy.

I snack on almonds and string cheese for the most part. Cream cheese and salami rolls is a life saver in a pinch. There are also low carb wraps and tortillas, low carb rice cakes. Breyers has an excellent low carb ice cream, 4g per serving. I'm so excited there is finally a topic being discussed that I know something about! Holy cow! lol


EDIT: Also I don't believe there is a set amount of carbs to stay believe past your induction phase. I have heard of people who can consume up to 50g a day and not get knocked out of ketosis, while others can't get over 10-20gs. You can try the ketostix to check if you are in ketosis, I've heard they aren't all that accurate though.

[stabetha]

Most of that stuff about "negative effects" is ill-informed, though. There's nothing particularly unhealthy about beef jerky, for instance. Fat isn't the devil; if anything, sugar is.

Like I said; I was getting a full cadre of bloodwork done every 2 weeks (damn socialist health care!), and pretty much every measure improved over the course of that two months. I stopped because I hit my target and didn't want to push it, not because I was suffering any negative consequences. Blood sugars, triglycerides, cholesterols, vitamin levels, everything got better.

Is eating that forever healthy? No. Ketosis isn't a healthy thing to maintain, but even Atkins doesn't recommend that. You use the ketosis phase as a burn, and your maintenance is just a regular lower-carb diet, 80-100g of carbs a day, more with exercise. Which is pretty generous, really; a slice of bread is only 20-25g, so you can easily have a sandwich at lunch and some pasta for dinner and stay within that range.

even in a thread about a diet you have to get your dig in at the US. you're grinding that ax a little to hard.

[belfpala]

I never understood why it's "kcal" in Europe but just calories in the US. Whenever I read kcal I think a thousand calories and I have to remind myself that's not what they mean.

There's a difference between Calories and calories. The former is kcal.

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even in a thread about a diet you have to get your dig in at the US. you're grinding that ax a little to hard.

His socialist healthcare is Canadian, iirc. How is that a dig on the US?

[Endus]

even in a thread about a diet you have to get your dig in at the US. you're grinding that ax a little to hard.

That wasn't a dig at the US. It was a dig at people who believe the ridiculous lies about universal health care being poor/slow/ineffective.

[stabetha]

There's a difference between Calories and calories. The former is kcal.

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His socialist healthcare is Canadian, iirc. How is that a dig on the US?

if it was almost anyone else that said I wouldn't think it was.

[belfpala]

if it was almost anyone else that said I wouldn't think it was.

Too far off topic.

Anyway, on topic, I generally believe in listening to my body. For example right now, I really don't feel like eating anything. If I listen, my body wants some pomegranate juice. It's about 9pm, haven't eaten since early afternoon. Not hungry.

I should maybe pull an Endus and see if I have any medical issues in the other direction.

[Valstorm Warsong]

I tried it for a few months along with my brother, it worked well for him, but for some reason it weakened me dramatically. I did lose some weight, but I was in ketosis for months. So anyone who's interested in the keto diet, I recommend that you try it out and see if it works for you, my brother is still using it now, but I have long since stopped.

I would also like to add, the diet while initially can be really great, I actually grew tired of eating bacon, cheese, eggs, and burgers with out buns. I often found myself craving oatmeal, while I was scarfing down mounds of bacon and cheese.

[Celista]

Ketosis is not a healthy state for your body to be in. You'll feel tired and sluggish, and there are other side effects such as bad breath and an inability to concentrate. Your brain needs 100g of carbohydrates a day to FUNCTION. To USE YOUR BRAIN. Most keto/low-carb diets will recommend some sort of "induction" phase that is significantly below 100g. So have fun with that....

Do yourself and your body a favor, try cutting out processed foods instead and add in some strength training and cardiovascular exercise instead. Eat whole foods such as fruit and veggies, which should be the bulk of your diet, along with quality sources of protein. You'll feel much better than if you had opted to stick to a fad diet.

[Valstorm Warsong]

Ketosis is not a healthy state for your body to be in. You'll feel tired and sluggish, and there are other side effects such as bad breath and an inability to concentrate. Your brain needs 100g of carbohydrates a day to FUNCTION. To USE YOUR BRAIN. Most keto/low-carb diets will recommend some sort of "induction" phase that is significantly below 100g. So have fun with that....

Do yourself and your body a favor, try cutting out processed foods instead and add in some strength training and cardiovascular exercise instead. Eat whole foods such as fruit and veggies, which should be the bulk of your diet, along with quality sources of protein. You'll feel much better than if you had opted to stick to a fad diet.

While I did have negative effects while on the keto diet, alot of people do just fine on it, so I still recommend that people atleast give it a shot, since it can lead to rapid weight loss if done correctly. While I was on it I didn't notice any impaired brain functions like you mentioned above, and neither does my brother who is still on the diet, it just depends on the person.

[Celista]

While I did have negative effects while on the keto diet, alot of people do just fine on it, so I still recommend that people atleast give it a shot, since it can lead to rapid weight loss if done correctly. While I was on it I didn't notice any impaired brain functions like you mentioned above, and neither does my brother who is still on the diet, it just depends on the person.

You don't always notice it while *on* the diet depending on your carbohydrate level, you notice the difference in energy level and brain function when you go back to a normal diet. Although if you notice no difference at all I'd have to ask if you were counting your carbs correctly...

Also read up on what a buildup of ketone bodies can do to the human body.

[Valstorm Warsong]

You don't always notice it while *on* the diet depending on your carbohydrate level, you notice the difference in energy level and brain function when you go back to a normal diet. Although if you notice no difference at all I'd have to ask if you were counting your carbs correctly...

Also read up on what a buildup of ketone bodies can do to the human body.

I would eat about 10g of carbs per day, I experienced reduced physical strength, and acne because of the high amounts of fats I had to eat, but that's it. I've seen people on youtube who have been doing it for years, and they look really healthy, and lean. I read a lot about the dangers of the keto diet, but most of the time it seemed to be coming from vegans, who hate the keto diet for obvious reasons. Our ancestors basically did the keto diet almost exclusively, and they survived just fine.

[Celista]

I would eat about 10g of carbs per day, I experienced reduced physical strength, and acne because of the high amounts of fats I had to eat, but that's it. A seen people on youtube who have been doing it for years, and they look really healthy. I have read a lot about the dangers of the keto diet, but most of the time it seems to be coming from vegans, who hate the keto diet for obvious reasons. Our ancestors basically did the keto diet almost exclusively, and the survived just fine.

Not everyone's ancestors...a lot depends on your on genetic makeup. The reason that some ancestral groups have done well on relatively low-carb diets was not only because their bodies were adapted to it, but because typically they would consume glycogen through various food sources, which made up of around 20% of their diet. So these groups weren't exactly low-carb in the same sense that people on Atkins diets are today...

If you feel like you are "fine" on the diet then feel free to continue what you're doing, but be monitored, read THIS even if you haven't been diagnosed with diabetes (11-15% of individuals with type 2 diabetes go undiagnosed each year), and I'd still encourage you to swap to a means of eating/exercise that is sustainable for a lifetime.