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  1. #601
    Quote Originally Posted by Zorachus View Post
    Frost DK with my 1h Weapons at 899. All Traits filled up 54 maxed out. And gear score is i874. And I am only doing a measly 225k or so DPS. My Guild leader is super cool, he said let me theory craft for a second, asked me to log out and log back in, and he test my guy, as is, and said yep, current Talent and setup, best I could do is 225k to 250k dps.

    He said try this, just switch to Unholy for a second, which I have not played but for like 10 minutes last year. I have ZERO traits, and zero relics. I switch to him, my gear score drops to i850, and my weapon drops to like i749. He tests that out, and I am doing 200k DPS right off the bat, with zero anything in Unholy. He said i'd suggest you strongly consider switching to Unholy spec moving forward, at least give it a good try for a couple weeks, see how you like it after gearing up.

    Why in Unholy spec, with no relics at all, only like 4 traits out of 54 filled up, with a gear score of i850 and weapon of i749, am I doing 200k damage, which is pretty good for being like a newbie fresh 100. Where as in nice geared Frost spec; all 54 traits filled, all 3 relics filled with good 880 stuff, my weapon at i899, and my gear score of 874, am I doing so bad ?
    Cant fix anything without logs, numbers dont show what youre doing wrong, all it tells me is you're doing something very wrong.

  2. #602
    Hello! I'm currently at 897 ilvl .
    and I am struggling at pulling 400k dps on most heroic nighthold encounters.
    I'm at 21% crit, 23% haste, 34% mastery, 7% vers, 31k Strength.
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...-done&source=7

    Any tips ?
    Last edited by Sylvant; 2017-03-18 at 08:53 AM.

  3. #603
    I don't know how my Guild mate theory crafted me saying I was so low while in Frost. Because when I am out doing a WQ and going after one of the bigger guys with like 5k health, and you see the floating combat text damage go off over your character, some of my whacks in Frost I see in the 450,000 numbers, some just in the 250,000, a lot in the 375,000 +. So how he says I am only doing an average of 200k damage is a head scratcher.

    And then had me go into Unholy spec, with zero relics, and only 5 traits out of 34 filled, and said my UH spec was testing out at 175,000 damage. I am surprised to see that, as in Unholy I was almost like a fresh 110, and how could he have been so close to my Frost he theory craft tested ?

    And sort of off topic, but play styles between both specs;

    - Frost = Warp speed fast attacks, always spells ready to go and just whack away, and destroy your enemy FAST. But for some reason i am not doing a ton of damage?
    - Unholy = Feels a little clunky, and does not seem like I am doing a ton of damage, the floating combat text over my head, I see numbers in the 125,000 range, but my Guild says my Pet makes up the difference, as does the summoned bat. And in Unholy I seem to be waiting for spells to cd a lot more than when in Frost.

  4. #604
    Please destory me and tell me where to improve.
    Dressandra in the logs -
    guilds/userreportslist/503854/ on warcraftlogs

    I know my relics suck but had shit luck. Trinkets are the same. Horn/memento never drop.

  5. #605
    My Frost DK is now i887, but I'm still doing crappy DPS, like 375k on average. Even my Guild is asking me what's up, due to my gear I should be doing way higher damage.

    Do I need to use an add on like Weak Auras 2 to make this work ?

    I met another DK, he's i896 and doing 800k all the time, he said all eh does is it the shiny flashing buttons LOL Just once they pop and glow hit those, and there's really no rotation, just HB + FS + OB + Syn when ready.

  6. #606
    Quote Originally Posted by Zorachus View Post
    My Frost DK is now i887, but I'm still doing crappy DPS, like 375k on average. Even my Guild is asking me what's up, due to my gear I should be doing way higher damage.

    Do I need to use an add on like Weak Auras 2 to make this work ?

    I met another DK, he's i896 and doing 800k all the time, he said all eh does is it the shiny flashing buttons LOL Just once they pop and glow hit those, and there's really no rotation, just HB + FS + OB + Syn when ready.
    If you don't post any log people cannot help you in that specific way

  7. #607
    Hello, I really could use some help:

    Armory: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ierzu/advanced
    Spec: Frost
    World of Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...-done&source=3
    Question (BE VERY SPECIFIC):
    I though I'm doing everything right. I cast HB when Rime procs every time, I spam Obliterate to prolong Gathering Storm and BoS for as long as I can (40s+), I try to not overcap any resources when HRW is active but still my dps is... mediocre.
    Another DK with Necrofantasia in my group is easily doing 800-900k, I struggle to keep up with 600-700k.
    I don't have Necrofantasia. I have legendary Wrists, Belt, Helmet and I've tried different combinations - and I still suck terribly no matter what I switch.
    I've seen logs of other top DKs and they manage to get far more better score without Necrofantasia.

    I'm not gonna lie - I hate BoS spec with a passion but I play it because I don't want to hold my guild back.
    But because of my performance and because I have no idea what I'm doing wrong I'm asking them myself to bench me because I feel like I'm being boosted and I hate it.
    I would really appreciate if someone could help me understand what I'm doing wrong and how I can improve.

  8. #608
    Quote Originally Posted by zvr View Post
    Hello, I really could use some help:

    Armory: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ierzu/advanced
    Spec: Frost
    World of Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...-done&source=3
    Question (BE VERY SPECIFIC):
    I though I'm doing everything right. I cast HB when Rime procs every time, I spam Obliterate to prolong Gathering Storm and BoS for as long as I can (40s+), I try to not overcap any resources when HRW is active but still my dps is... mediocre.
    Another DK with Necrofantasia in my group is easily doing 800-900k, I struggle to keep up with 600-700k.
    I don't have Necrofantasia. I have legendary Wrists, Belt, Helmet and I've tried different combinations - and I still suck terribly no matter what I switch.
    I've seen logs of other top DKs and they manage to get far more better score without Necrofantasia.

    I'm not gonna lie - I hate BoS spec with a passion but I play it because I don't want to hold my guild back.
    But because of my performance and because I have no idea what I'm doing wrong I'm asking them myself to bench me because I feel like I'm being boosted and I hate it.
    I would really appreciate if someone could help me understand what I'm doing wrong and how I can improve.
    - Drop haste for more mastery.

    - Might of Krosus is one of the worst trinkets you could use. Instead, use Convergence + Statstick or: http://prntscr.com/erzp3k

    - Mark of the Trained soldier enchant is not that great for DPS, since you'd rather get bottom line mastery that's there 24/7 and then get crit / haste procs for extra chunk (Your mastery proc needs to line up with Rimed HBs and whatnot to be effective) Get Mark of the Claw (BiS)

    - Relics: Good relics, might wanna get the HB ones (atleast for 1 spot), since HB is still looking strong and since you have helm, that's very good, but it depends on your legendaries.

    - 40s Sindragosa's a bit low, with the belt, you should:
    a) Wait for atleast 3 runes to pop after you've reached 90+ runic power, then you pop Breath.
    b) Realize the fact that if you're not facing the boss, you don't deal damage, so, move with WASD and your mouse in a way that you're facing it.
    c) Lag Tolerance. This is huge, it can break your breath or not. Read more (I play with 450 to line up everything perfectly):
    https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comment...matically_set/
    d) Your goal is to maintain a ~50s breath.
    e) Remember: Remorseless Winter is huge with the talent, use it, don't forget it, you seem to use it, so, that's a good one.
    f) Use your Rime procs as much as you can, especially with high runic power.

    Now, with that being said, here's what really happened:

    You ran Might of Krosus and dealt a fuckload of damage to the adds, way more than Shyzuye, but this affected your overall DPS, as Might of Krosus is a splash damage trinket with a somewhat long CD.

    Show this to your raidlead.
    Last edited by cocacolawheresthesoda; 2017-04-03 at 05:39 PM.

  9. #609
    Armory: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte.../Manwtf/simple
    Spec: Frost
    Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/ranking...3428999/latest
    Question (BE VERY SPECIFIC): Recently lvled my DK to 110 after 7.2 and decided to reroll. Got into my first HC raid just now and my dps is lower than low. ( that gray logs number make me wanna KMS. )
    At first i felt like it was my low ilvl that was the reason but currently being at 889 i should be able to pull more than this.
    Extremely inexperienced frost DK that just need a finger pointed in the right direction. Thanks :-)
    Last edited by Chapter; 2017-04-05 at 10:09 PM.

  10. #610
    Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...eader/advanced
    Spec: Frost (BoS)
    World of Logs:
    Anomaly - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...-done&source=5
    Spellblade - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...-done&source=5
    Krosus - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...-done&source=5
    Star Auger - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...-done&source=5

    Question (BE VERY SPECIFIC): I just recently had my DK switch from what he called "consistency" spec to BoS to see what he could try and do with it. He was keeping up with everyone fine during progression, but as we got geared and fights got shorter he was further and further down the meters. I was hoping that him getting use to BoS now during "farm" content over the next few months before ToS will also help making progression there better.

    Looking at his logs compared to other DKs, even with the same 2 legendaries, I see their Howling Blast damage doing 2-3x more damage at roughly the same cast count. The only thing we've been able to determine by looking at log comparisons is to switch to Freezing Fog instead of Horn of Winter and maybe look to get all 3 relics to buff the Howling Blast damage trait.

    Is there anything else at a glance that he might be missing or doing wrong? Such as timing when to BoS incorrectly, not lining up specific abilities/cd's, etc. to extend the BoS duration or increase the damage output from it?

  11. #611
    Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...scababy/simple
    Spec: Frost, and unholy I guess. I'd like help with frost overall, but I could definitely use tips on unholy if that's the direction I feel I should.
    World of Logs:
    Heroic Gul'dan (frost) https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done
    mythic Skorpyron (frost) https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done
    mythic Chromatic (frost) (i died here) https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done
    Mythic Spellblade (unholy) https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done
    Mythic Tich (unholy) https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done
    Mythic Botanist (unholy) https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done

    I went unholy at one of my guild's officers request after Trilliax, and did the rest of the raid night as unholy. But, I have logs for frost for the first three and gul'dan.

    Question (BE VERY SPECIFIC): So, I've been unholy for basically this entire XPAC so far. I feel I got a decent handle on it, even though I'm well aware that frost is much better right now. After getting both BIS legendaries for unholy (pet wound ring and bracers), I switched my loot spec to frost so I could get some legendaries for that too. As my armory shows right now, I have the legs and the belt for frost. We recently had an enhancement shaman switch to frost dk in my guild and he's absolutely destroying the charts. This really makes me want to play frost. This week was my first week as frost in a raid environment, and it wasn't good. I should be doing MUCH more dps than I am. I guess what I'm looking for is what exactly I'm messing up, and what I could improve, as far as UI to help me manage cooldowns better, and help my breath stay up longer, and just do much more damage overall. As you can see from the logs, our frost dk is very good, with subpar legendaries. I have decent ones, and I'm just not getting it. This is really my last resort, because this game is starting to not be interesting for me, especially if I can't do well in my guild. If I can't raid, I am not playing. So, i'm pretty much desperate for help.
    Quote Originally Posted by blobbydan View Post
    We're all doomed. Let these retards shuffle the chairs on the titanic. They can die in a safe space if they want to... Whatever. What a miserable joke this life is. I can't wait until it's all finally over and I can return to the sweet oblivion of the void.

  12. #612

    Fuzzyon

    Armory: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...zzyon/advanced
    Spec: Unholy
    World of Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/guilds/210450 (Last few raids of April)
    Question (BE VERY SPECIFIC):
    I'm a guild leader on Outland-EU for a very casual raiding guild. I'm looking to get some general advice to help our new Unholy DK Fuzzyon improve his dps a bit, because while I can help people out with a fair few classes and specs everything I know about Unholy DKs could be written on the back of a postage stamp.
    I understand that Unholy is generally considered inferior to Frost, but he seems keen to stick to it and I'm more than happy to let him. However, the fact that his DPS performance by ilvl is consistently very low leads me to believe that he must be doing something really quite wrong. It's not impeding our raid progress, but I know he gets a bit down when he sees how poorly he's doing but is uncomfortable with the idea of asking for help.
    I'm not trying to make him the best player in the world, but if someone could help me identify what's going so wrong and how I can help him improve it - changing talents, tracking things better with his UI, adjusting his rotation - it would be very much appreciated! I'd just like to see him be able to hit above 50% performance by ilvl every once in a while.
    Who is Chris Metzen? He is supposed to be Turkish. Some say his father was German. Nobody believed he was real. Nobody ever saw him or knew anybody that ever worked directly for him, but to hear Zarhym tell it, anybody could have worked for Metzen. You never knew. That was his power. The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist. And like that... poof! He's gone.

  13. #613
    Deleted
    Quote Originally Posted by SpacedOut View Post
    Armory: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...zzyon/advanced
    Spec: Unholy
    World of Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/guilds/210450 (Last few raids of April)
    Question (BE VERY SPECIFIC):
    I'm a guild leader on Outland-EU for a very casual raiding guild. I'm looking to get some general advice to help our new Unholy DK Fuzzyon improve his dps a bit, because while I can help people out with a fair few classes and specs everything I know about Unholy DKs could be written on the back of a postage stamp.
    I understand that Unholy is generally considered inferior to Frost, but he seems keen to stick to it and I'm more than happy to let him. However, the fact that his DPS performance by ilvl is consistently very low leads me to believe that he must be doing something really quite wrong. It's not impeding our raid progress, but I know he gets a bit down when he sees how poorly he's doing but is uncomfortable with the idea of asking for help.
    I'm not trying to make him the best player in the world, but if someone could help me identify what's going so wrong and how I can help him improve it - changing talents, tracking things better with his UI, adjusting his rotation - it would be very much appreciated! I'd just like to see him be able to hit above 50% performance by ilvl every once in a while.
    Three main topics.

    1. Dies way to much, I wanted to check out a parse but he dies on many of your kills. Ended up looking at https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...mmary&source=5

    2. No 4 PC, 2x bad legendarys (While shoulders sounds good, they are really bad). Lacking gems, enchants. For me this is a big warning sign, indicates certain things. From checking further into your logs, it appears he haven't even done the artifact questline for 10% free dmg (he has 2 points in the paragon trait -> 6% dmg). Imo, thats ridic :P

    3. 1 pot used (used after combat on pull), no food, poor cd management - Apocalypse 3/4, Garg 2/2, Dark Trans 3/6, SR 8/8-9.

    This is not in depth at all, but he needs to help himself first more than anything. Oh and for a player of his caliber, I would suggest going Infected Claw over Necrosis. Necrosis is better, but only if you can manage it.

  14. #614
    Quote Originally Posted by Faylo View Post
    Three main topics.

    1. Dies way to much, I wanted to check out a parse but he dies on many of your kills. Ended up looking at https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...mmary&source=5

    2. No 4 PC, 2x bad legendarys (While shoulders sounds good, they are really bad). Lacking gems, enchants. For me this is a big warning sign, indicates certain things. From checking further into your logs, it appears he haven't even done the artifact questline for 10% free dmg (he has 2 points in the paragon trait -> 6% dmg). Imo, thats ridic :P

    3. 1 pot used (used after combat on pull), no food, poor cd management - Apocalypse 3/4, Garg 2/2, Dark Trans 3/6, SR 8/8-9.

    This is not in depth at all, but he needs to help himself first more than anything. Oh and for a player of his caliber, I would suggest going Infected Claw over Necrosis. Necrosis is better, but only if you can manage it.
    Thanks for the quick response and helpful analysis, appreciate it! I'm trying not to be hard on him dying, he's literally as new to the whole concept of raiding as it gets and he's jumped straight in to Heroic farm, but he's getting better.

    We'll try and prioritise the 4pc on him then, not a lot of other DKs in our raid though unfortunately. He just mentioned in discord that he picked up KJ's burning wish. You'd suggest swapping that in for the shoulders?

    Gems and enchants - yep, noticed that myself right after I hit post and felt like an idiot. I'll hook him up with some of those.

    The artifact questline will, of course, be a priority. Thanks for pointing that out, I'll make sure he gets it done.

    I'll make sure he starts eating from the feasts, we aren't really big potion users though. Consumables come from the guild bank, which can just about afford flasks and feasts for everyone but not much beyond that. I know it's hampering us in the long run, but we're clearing what we aim to so I haven't leaned on people about it.

    Could you elaborate a bit on the CD management notes? I really don't know Unholy, is he just delaying using them because he isn't noticing them come up? I'll also pass on the advice about Infected Claw, thanks!
    Who is Chris Metzen? He is supposed to be Turkish. Some say his father was German. Nobody believed he was real. Nobody ever saw him or knew anybody that ever worked directly for him, but to hear Zarhym tell it, anybody could have worked for Metzen. You never knew. That was his power. The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist. And like that... poof! He's gone.

  15. #615
    Armory: eu.battle.net/wow/ru/character/ревущий-фьорд/Лордбездуши/simple
    Spec: Unholy
    World of Logs: warcraftlogs.com/rankings/character/22206484/latest
    Question (BE VERY SPECIFIC):
    I can not keep DPS I do not know what's the matter.I can not understand how people hold 800k+.I look at the logs of the other unholy dk and they (Clawing Shadows) at times have more uses than me and I do not understand what's the matter.
    P.S. Sorry if something is wrong with my English)

  16. #616
    Quote Originally Posted by SpacedOut View Post
    We'll try and prioritise the 4pc on him then, not a lot of other DKs in our raid though unfortunately. He just mentioned in discord that he picked up KJ's burning wish. You'd suggest swapping that in for the shoulders?
    It's fine now, Service of gorefiend wasn't really better anyway. KJBW + Shoulders is fine. If he has bracers or sephuz, it'd be great aswell (to replace shoulders). If not, waist, belt are better than shoulders too.
    Could you elaborate a bit on the CD management notes? I really don't know Unholy, is he just delaying using them because he isn't noticing them come up? I'll also pass on the advice about Infected Claw, thanks!
    He probably means your friend need better abomination's uptime. Probably one more soul reaper + apoc aswell. Btw infected claws is better than necrosis until he gets 4 pieces. And even then, he needs to understand how to do that correctly. If he's doing wrong, it won't be better than the other talent.

    Either way, I'm more concerned about the other Frost DK. Saerwens that is. His BoS are non existent, and his main source of damage is (often) Frost Strike. It's a big red flag. It doesn't matter what legendaries he has, he shouldn't be doing only 2M damage in total for each boss o_O
    I guess that won't be a problem since you have another frost DK and he could give him some tips.

  17. #617
    Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...rfang/advanced
    Spec: Unholy
    Worlf Of Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4xrG6XbNkc9PdLgv
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3XB4WP21zrGjKJqR (these are this week, I have a few problems on Eli-.. I dunno how I can improve, I feel like on heroic I have to survive the rings, and getting to the adds, and avoiding rings. While most the raids just fine dpsing her down)
    Question (BE VERY SPECIFIC):
    I have missed a few raid nights over the last month and a half due to some personal problems and just being sickly. I am not certain what I might be doing wrong though on some fights rotation wise.I follow the Dk forums here for alot of info on whats going on. Just asking for a little bit of analysis for something I can work on to be better at. Thank you for anything that can be brought up from this. Thank you for the time.
    Last edited by Horrorfang; 2017-05-09 at 07:26 PM. Reason: walls of text

  18. #618
    Deleted
    Quote Originally Posted by Horrorfang View Post
    Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...rfang/advanced
    Spec: Unholy
    Worlf Of Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4xrG6XbNkc9PdLgv
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3XB4WP21zrGjKJqR (these are this week, I have a few problems on Eli-.. I dunno how I can improve, I feel like on heroic I have to survive the rings, and getting to the adds, and avoiding rings. While most the raids just fine dpsing her down)
    Question (BE VERY SPECIFIC):
    I have missed a few raid nights over the last month and a half due to some personal problems and just being sickly. I am not certain what I might be doing wrong though on some fights rotation wise.I follow the Dk forums here for alot of info on whats going on. Just asking for a little bit of analysis for something I can work on to be better at. Thank you for anything that can be brought up from this. Thank you for the time.
    I noticed that you seem to have a lot of downtime with regards to Virulent Plague.

    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...bility=-191587


    http://www.checkmywow.com/reports/3X...9/23?tab=casts
    http://www.checkmywow.com/reports/3X...?tab=resources
    Last edited by mmoc9bef67a441; 2017-05-12 at 02:23 PM.

  19. #619
    Thank you for looking into it, I will improve

  20. #620
    (Already post this thrice but posts not shown for unknown reason)
    Hello, Frost DK 910 here I really really need an advice.

    Armory: worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/frostmourne/thanàtòs
    Spec: Frost
    World of Logs: warcraftlogs.com/character/us/frostmourne/thanàtòs
    Question (BE VERY SPECIFIC):

    I'm doing mythic nighthold with guild, I notice that my DPS is terribly low, almost lowest in guild in every fight and lowest of all melee.

    - I keep spamming Obliterate&Rime like there will be no tomorrow when BoS is up
    - I make sure that Remorseless Winter is active (or on cooldown) before I waste any rune
    - I use Rime whenever it procs
    - Never miss to use PoF and that 5min-Frost-Dragon-Breath when it's available
    - I have all Frost legendries and 4P, always ready to switch. My trinket is 910 Skorpyron + 890 CoF (Sometimes replace with KJ Trinket that depends on the fight)
    - All 3 relics is Amberdexterity.
    - I know the fight, and I was dpsing on boss 95% of times
    - Sometimes I got 1st most DPS in mid fight, but in the end of fight, I almost never touch 700k dps if it's ST.

    I compare myself to a DK guildie, he has only 1 Sephuz with no other legendary (his main is blood) he has same ilvl as me so do his Talents and trinkets but he sometimes does DPS better than me (note that I equip both SoN and Bracer and we do ST fight) and whenever he doesn't, my DPS is not significantly better than him, the different is less than 30k dps if i'm better.

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