Sandman's Pouch iLvl 680

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Just a quick Fire Mage question really.

What's your opinions on using the Sandman's Pouch 680 trinket and the Oregorger HC trinket? On pull I manage to get around 90% crit chance using those 2 which is nice as my 4 set doesn't always proc on pull...

[gallamann]

Head over to altered-time.com and into fire forums, ther is a simcraft there that lays out fire trinket combos

[Wilderness]

Sandman's is nice, but even for Fire its still not as good as any of the other heroic BRF trinkets. Its not far behind, so if you want to upgrade it and take away RNG with drops or give others in your guild the chance to grab it that's great, but its not ideal.

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Sandman's is nice, but even for Fire its still not as good as any of the other heroic BRF trinkets. Its not far behind, so if you want to upgrade it and take away RNG with drops or give others in your guild the chance to grab it that's great, but its not ideal.

Even with the fact that with those 2 trinkets on, I get ~90% crit on the pull? and my fire 4 set never seems to proc on the pull.

[LocNess]

Even with the fact that with those 2 trinkets on, I get ~90% crit on the pull? and my fire 4 set never seems to proc on the pull.

While your pull is important, generally with Goren Soul you have enough crit to have no issues with Combustions despite rare bad RNG. You still have several minutes left of a fight to perform on.

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The Sandmans Pouch is not a good choise, if you have 2 trinket HC from BRF.

Here, you have a table with all trinkets: http://downloads.simulationcraft.org...kets_fire.html (delete space)

[tubawizard]

You basically need to be fire specced on multiple boss fights, so that is why the following combo seems very nice:

I personally think the sandman's pouch is perfect in combination with The Goren Soul at the start. With these 2 trinkets proccing, your chance of casting 2 Fireball crits, is like 100%,(you want to leave the IB's for double IB-casting to the other target for the combustion-trick) and then you will have a perfect 100% chance of getting 3 Pyro's in a row. Not only will you have an almost perfect Ignite, you also have a good chance of high crit on the follow Combustion, at least the sandman's pouch proc will be up. This way you do not need any early proc of the 4-set bonus. You just use it when it is available. If the 4-set procs early, then even better, because the following Combustion will be high crit with the procs of both trinkets.

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I have a 680 DMC and a normal mode Goren Soul, and they make for ridicolously reliable pulls, it's a great combination.

[Janir]

Imo sandman's pouch is alot better than what sims make it to look like. Specially when you can use it to line up it's proc with combustion on bosses like mythic iron maidens or operator thogar. On those bosses I used pouch over M DuT with fairly good reasults.

Edit: Forgot to mention I used sandman's pouch 680 with GsR Mythic on thogar + maidens.

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It has a 115sec ICD, so you can't line up combustions with it unless you run Kindling. It is definitely very good though, i got mythic DuT yesterday but DMC+Repository still sims higher for me on anything that isnt sustained aoe

[Janir]

It has a 115sec ICD, so you can't line up combustions with it unless you run Kindling. It is definitely very good though, i got mythic DuT yesterday but DMC+Repository still sims higher for me on anything that isnt sustained aoe

Why would you use anything but Kindling with fire because for single target fights you play with arcane anyways.

[Rvsoldier]

Because he doesn't like Arcane and all three mage specs are top five dps?

[Wilderness]

It has a 115sec ICD, so you can't line up combustions with it unless you run Kindling. It is definitely very good though, i got mythic DuT yesterday but DMC+Repository still sims higher for me on anything that isnt sustained aoe

That's odd, Darmacs and Repository sim as my strongest 2 trinkets for single-target Fire, even above Blackhands.

[Polarthief]

Because he doesn't like Arcane and all three mage specs are top five dps?

http://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/Raid_T17M.html Lol what? Keep in mind that's MYTHIC. Fire is more like 10th, and it just goes down and down with each tier down.

Regardless though, I definitely don't like Arcane either. I only play it for Kromog when we need the hands DPS (AE is OP), and I just always run Kindling cuz fuck the system.

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That's odd, Darmacs and Repository sim as my strongest 2 trinkets for single-target Fire, even above Blackhands.

Crucible and Talisman are like neck and neck for each other. The only confirmed thing with trinkets is that Repository is (way) ahead of the other two.

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http://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/Raid_T17M.html Lol what? Keep in mind that's MYTHIC. Fire is more like 10th, and it just goes down and down with each tier down.


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Keep in mind that's not representative of real life DPS.

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Keep in mind that's not representative of real life DPS.

Pretty much. Taking a look at REAL data from Mythic kills both Fire and Arcane are quite high up. RIP Frost though.

[Psychokwak]

I possess the GSRepository Mythic Warforged, and I use it in pair with the DMFStage4 Trinket. I also possess the HC DarmacTalisman.
Looking at the Simcraft that has been linked, it's like 45096-45039 = 47, id-est 0.1% decrease... But in real situation, I just feel like the synergy between the two Crit trinkets is so damn, damn good. When they proc together, I have with the Critical Mass multiplier way higher than 100% Crit. Changes the gameplay.
With one of them procing alone, I have around 85% Crit with the Critical Mass multiplier. Changes the gameplay too. Of course, it's still not 100% so sometimes I'm playing like it is and end up casting a full Pyroblast... but playing like that is often rewarding and more enjoyable.
I don't think I'll leave that trinket soon

[nickseng]

When they proc together, I have with the Critical Mass multiplier way higher than 100% Crit. Changes the gameplay.
With one of them procing alone, I have around 85% Crit with the Critical Mass multiplier.

On the other hand, isn't that a lot of wasted stats, as any crit over 100 does you no good?

[Psychokwak]

Well, except for the pull when both of them proc like clockwork, it happens seldomly (seldom?) during a fight. One is 20s, but the other only 10s, so when they do proc during the same timeframe, it's rare that is for a full duration of GSRepository. So I do not feel like it is that a waste.
+ all the good side of it (>100% crit assured so you can knock your socks off!)
+ There there is not much to be done for that situation

And yeah, all of that is pure feeling and not Theorycraft backed-up, I know

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On the other hand, isn't that a lot of wasted stats, as any crit over 100 does you no good?

Think he's overstating it. I'm at 27% crit raidbuffed on my mage, with 680 DM and mythic GSR I get 4500 extra crit from the trinkets, which puts me at ~72% crit, with critical mass being 1,3x that puts me at ~95% crit. I'm only at 683 ilvl but unless he's dropped his mastery gem/enchants for crit then I doubt he'd be much higher on crit, or at least not more than 1k crit rating higher to put him significantly over the 100% mark. Bear in mind that is also not counting with crit compression which iirc is still a thing when hitting bosses?


I should add that I've banked my HC Crucible to use DMF 680 because i was consistently getting higher dmg with the DMF trinket. At least for our fight lengths the uptime is just way higher.