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    Noblegarden, WoW Token Prices, Conquest Catch-Up Cap, Blue Posts, Environment Art

    Patch 2.2 Key Features and Item Changes Guide

    Deck Spotlight: Midrange Hunter, Card Design Competition #11, Sylvanas Lore Spotlight

    Heroes of the Storm PTR, Shop Sales - Insectoid Zagara & Lumberjack Uther

    Noblegarden 2015
    Noblegarden is back once again and this year brings a few updates to the event. Check the guide on Icy Veins for the full details!

    • The Mystical Spring Bouquet is a new non-combat pet that will follow you around. You can purchase it for 100 x Noblegarden Chocolate.
    • New eggs such as Magnificently-Painted Egg have been added. These allow anyone who can see them to loot an item that sells for 90% of the gold of the original, making them another way to transfer gold between realms.



    WoW Token Prices - Day 1
    WoW Tokens came out today and had a slight spike in prices in the afternoon before the price started going down. Prices were initially adjusted hourly and now appear to be adjusted every 15 minutes. For the most part, prices are changing by 1% in either direction when they do change.

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    Changes to Conquest Catch-Up Cap
    Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
    As of this week’s reset, we’ve made a change to how the Conquest catch-up cap is calculated that should result in a 50% increase to the catch-up portion of the cap. We’re making this change because, while we still want there to be an incentive to play early and often, the amount of Conquest that a player could earn via that catch-up cap didn’t feel like enough once the PvP season had been active for a while.

    To elaborate, the formula used to calculate a player’s catch-up cap is now:
    Number of weeks passed in the season × 1500 - Total amount of Conquest earned this season

    That number is then added to the weekly total cap of 1700. Note that, as of this post, Warlords Season 1 has been active for 18 weeks, which means the maximum possible catch-up cap for a player that has not earned any Conquest points this season is 28,700 Conquest.

    We're looking into the reports that some players haven't had their catch-up cap increased. I'll update when I can.

    Blue Posts
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    Game Mechanics Arguments
    Why is that? What makes mechanics in the game create feelings of injustice rather than just distaste?
    I think it's mostly to do with ownership. You see the same thing with some movies, especially with popular movie franchises, that the dynamic of product creator and product consumer changes--and this is compounded when you factor in age and nostalgic factors. It's not just about making something to entertain for a couple hours anymore and a 'We hope you had fun!' and everyone moves on, it's had an impact on who they are, and it's something they've invested some portion of their life toward. In most cases you'll also find these things have a human element, where relationships are formed, experiences with friends are had, and memories made. When you're involved in creating the entertainment that defines a part of who someone is, and this is especially true of games and gamers, you're not just making something they can choose to buy or not, you're continually trying to deliver on a promise. It's usually not a promise anyone wrote down, or put on a website, but it's an expectation that this piece of their life won't betray them by becoming something else. All of this is sometimes explained or downplayed as entitlement, and I think that word is often used as a way to belittle people who rightfully have expectations--who have a deep and emotional connection to a life experience that just happens to be based around a piece of entertainment.

    It's no small part of our job to ensure that when you see one of our game logos, or just the Blizzard logo, you know that when you pick up that box, or click on a link, it's going to be something that delivers on all those promises, and that those expectations are not only met but exceeded. It's a really difficult, and scary, and exciting, and wondrous obligation we have. And one that we really enjoy challenging ourselves with. Every day. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

    Blue Tweets
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    Art
    I have to ask: Will vanilla armor/weapons have HD model? It's a lot of art work but we can use them fot the next 5-10 years.
    Re-vamping the human/orc armor in WoD made sense for garrisons, but yeah, it's expensive, art-wise. Often rather make new stuff. (Muffinus)

    Misc
    Do you think ability and skill trumps the need for a college degree as a game designer, assuming you can produce very impressive
    My *personal* opinion, speaking for myself, not on behalf of Blizzard, is 'generally, yes'. (Celestalon)

    Warlords of Draenor Art
    Today we have some of the art done for Warlords of Draenor by Vergne Fanny, one of Blizzard's Senior 3D Environment Artist. There are also lots of environment shots from popular places in Draenor that she worked on.

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    The token price is developing exactly as I predicted before it went live. In the beginning there will be a small increase in price because of the few hyped people with lots of ingame gold to spare who thought the price would SKYROCKET. So they all bought 1 or 2 years worth of tokens in the first few hours which led to the price increase. Now all those plebs have their tokens and the market is ready for the normal demand, which is WAY smaller at 30k/token then in the first few hours. The token price will continue to drop until it reaches a point of 15-20k / each.

    Many people here have overestimated how many people actually have a lot of gold ingame, which are really just very few. Even if you're in a raiding guild with 30 people and everyone has 500k gold. You need to understand that that's like 30 people in a server population of 15000. And those 30 people all only need 1 token each month. There are WAY more casuals who buy those tokens for real money than people here can imagine.

    I'm satisfied tho that by not being able to make an educated guess many people have bought years worth of tokens overpriced.

    edit: I'm only laughing at those with thousands of gold who thought they were smart when buying bulks of tokens in the very beginning. Shows you don't actually have to be smart or understand basic economics to be rich in wow.

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    Hell yeah! Cheaper tokens for all! Except for the people who use actual money to buy those tokens for us /sadface!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZwuckeL View Post
    The token price is developing exactly as I predicted before it went live. In the beginning there will be a small increase in price because of the few hyped people with lots of ingame gold to spare who thought the price would SKYROCKET. So they all bought 1 or 2 years worth of tokens in the first few hours which led to the price increase. Now all those plebs have their tokens and the market is ready for the normal demand, which is WAY smaller at 30k/token then in the first few hours. The token price will continue to drop until it reaches a point of 15-20k / each.

    Many people here have overestimated how many people actually have a lot of gold ingame, which are really just very few. Even if you're in a raiding guild with 30 people and everyone has 500k gold. You need to understand that that's like 30 people in a server population of 15000. And those 30 people all only need 1 token each month. There are WAY more casuals who buy those tokens for real money than people here can imagine.

    I'm satisfied tho that by not being able to make an educated guess many people have bought years worth of tokens overpriced.

    edit: I'm only laughing at those with thousands of gold who thought they were smart when buying bulks of tokens in the very beginning. Shows you don't actually have to be smart or understand basic economics to be rich in wow.
    +1 saw yesterday "skyrocketing" posts and laugh for a bit

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZwuckeL View Post
    So they all bought 1 or 2 years worth of tokens in the first few hours which led to the price increase.
    [..]
    edit: I'm only laughing at those with thousands of gold who thought they were smart when buying bulks of tokens in the very beginning. Shows you don't actually have to be smart or understand basic economics to be rich in wow.
    You can just buy 10 in a month, wouldn't call that "buying bulks". It has nothing to do with being rich in WoW. If someone actually bought 10 of them just in one go then obviously that person can afford to buy 10 times the amount she just did. The fluctuation in its price is so low for them that this 5-10k drop is just nothing and at that stage of the game can be obtained by spending exactly 1h in AH. Well predicted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by razorsharp View Post
    You can just buy 10 in a month, wouldn't call that "buying bulks". It has nothing to do with being rich in WoW. If someone actually bought 10 of them just in one go then obviously that person can afford to buy 10 times the amount she just did. The fluctuation in its price is so low for them that this 5-10k drop is just nothing and at that stage of the game can be obtained by spending exactly 1h in AH. Well predicted.
    That "10 a month"-regulation is only applicable for the real money side. You can buy as many tokens with gold as you want to.
    So say there are some of the "skyrocket-sayers" who bought 20 tokens for 30k each. That's 600k gold. In a few days when tokens cost 15k each they'll acutally be at a deficit of 300k which just went "in the trash". Hell, for many 300k is not a lot. That doesn't change the fact they could have saved those 300k by making a better guess.

    In other words. I feel good for the casuals who outsmarted the "self-proclaimed smart" by selling the tokens early. The casuals made a good profit (as in: got good gold for their 20$), when at the same time the gold-buyers thought they were smart for buying early. Warms my heart
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    I'm from Europe so I like to watch what happens to the token price, probably same thing will happen over here when it eventually gets released.

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    Still a bit too early to tell what will happen. Prices might climb up once people wake up. I'm somewhat glad to see the price drop, makes it a bit easier for the more "casual" players to obtain them if they choose to. 30k might not seem like a lot to many of you, but it is quite a bit for the average player. When you think about heirloom upgrades, raiding, buying equipment and what not, the costs do add up. This is especially true since most people don't really like to spend hours at the auction house playing that game. But like I said, it's a wee bit too early to see how things turn out. It'll be more "exact" in a few months when things finally settle down.

    I'd be surprised to see them drop below 20k however, that's seems like a long shot, but you could be right. Even if they only sell for 15k they are guaranteed 30k right? - At least for the moment until blizzard changes the system and allows players to set the prices. Not looking good for those guys that expected to get 60k for a token, lol.

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    I'm not lacking the real-world cash, but I'm just not sure what 25k gold would buy me that I really want. Isn't that worth like... one BoE epic? Maybe?

    It'll be interesting to see what the price settles at once the initial novelty wears off.

    I would also be really interested in seeing the volume bought/sold at different prices, since they won't match up the way they set it up
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZwuckeL View Post
    The token price is developing exactly as I predicted before it went live. In the beginning there will be a small increase in price because of the few hyped people with lots of ingame gold to spare who thought the price would SKYROCKET. So they all bought 1 or 2 years worth of tokens in the first few hours which led to the price increase. Now all those plebs have their tokens and the market is ready for the normal demand, which is WAY smaller at 30k/token then in the first few hours. The token price will continue to drop until it reaches a point of 15-20k / each.

    Many people here have overestimated how many people actually have a lot of gold ingame, which are really just very few. Even if you're in a raiding guild with 30 people and everyone has 500k gold. You need to understand that that's like 30 people in a server population of 15000. And those 30 people all only need 1 token each month. There are WAY more casuals who buy those tokens for real money than people here can imagine.

    I'm satisfied tho that by not being able to make an educated guess many people have bought years worth of tokens overpriced.

    edit: I'm only laughing at those with thousands of gold who thought they were smart when buying bulks of tokens in the very beginning. Shows you don't actually have to be smart or understand basic economics to be rich in wow.
    So funny, The gold they lost, could have covered 2 months worth of subs. Personally waiting for the market to settle before buying my year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZwuckeL View Post
    That "10 a month"-regulation is only applicable for the real money side. You can buy as many tokens with gold as you want to.
    So say there are some of the "skyrocket-sayers" who bought 20 tokens for 30k each. That's 600k gold. In a few days when tokens cost 15k each they'll acutally be at a deficit of 300k which just went "in the trash". Hell, for many 300k is not a lot. That doesn't change the fact they could have saved those 300k by making a better guess.

    In other words. I feel good for the casuals who outsmarted the "self-proclaimed smart" by selling the tokens early. The casuals made a good profit (as in: got good gold for their 20$), when at the same time the gold-buyers thought they were smart for buying early. Warms my heart
    smart people "gold" cost averaged throughout the day...although do you really think people who bought 20 really care if they paid 600k and they dropped to 300k? Even for me, someone who did not buy even close to half of 20 tokens, 600k is about 45-50 days worth of follower missions spending about 45-60 min a day flipping gold missions on 13 100's (I track this in a spreadsheet for fun...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZwuckeL View Post
    The token price is developing exactly as I predicted before it went live. In the beginning there will be a small increase in price because of the few hyped people with lots of ingame gold to spare who thought the price would SKYROCKET. So they all bought 1 or 2 years worth of tokens in the first few hours which led to the price increase. Now all those plebs have their tokens and the market is ready for the normal demand, which is WAY smaller at 30k/token then in the first few hours. The token price will continue to drop until it reaches a point of 15-20k / each.

    Many people here have overestimated how many people actually have a lot of gold ingame, which are really just very few. Even if you're in a raiding guild with 30 people and everyone has 500k gold. You need to understand that that's like 30 people in a server population of 15000. And those 30 people all only need 1 token each month. There are WAY more casuals who buy those tokens for real money than people here can imagine.

    I'm satisfied tho that by not being able to make an educated guess many people have bought years worth of tokens overpriced.

    edit: I'm only laughing at those with thousands of gold who thought they were smart when buying bulks of tokens in the very beginning. Shows you don't actually have to be smart or understand basic economics to be rich in wow.
    You were okay until you said "plebs". Now I just want to choke your mother.

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    I find it baffling why anyone would want to pay $20 for only 25k gold...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZwuckeL View Post
    The token price is developing exactly as I predicted before it went live. In the beginning there will be a small increase in price because of the few hyped people with lots of ingame gold to spare who thought the price would SKYROCKET.
    I have a guildie like that, he's got like 1M while actually spending it and makes 100Ks each month all the time. He was convinced it will rocket to 800K+ for the first few months because there won't be many people paying USD for tokens and all the super gold rich people will fight for these tokens. Apparently wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huldu View Post
    I'd be surprised to see them drop below 20k however, that's seems like a long shot, but you could be right. Even if they only sell for 15k they are guaranteed 30k right? - At least for the moment until blizzard changes the system and allows players to set the prices. Not looking good for those guys that expected to get 60k for a token, lol.
    You're not guaranteed 30k, you're guaranteed to be paid whatever the market was at when you listed the token. So if the market is at 20k, and you list it while they're selling for 20k, then you'll get 20k for it even if it drops lower or goes higher in the time before your token actually sells.

    Which I think is why they aren't ever going to drop super low, because its going to reach a point where people don't want to list their tokens for low prices. 15k might be nice and affordable for a casual player, but remember that hinges on someone else paying $20 for a token and agreeing to list it and only get 15k gold in return. Every token a player buys with gold, has been bought for $20 of real money by someone else, so they're not just going to throw them away for low amounts of gold. If I went to the AH to list a token and saw the market was at 15k, I certainly wouldn't be putting one up for sale.
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    I really want to know what all the people that said "this will sell for 100k minimum" think now.

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    Now that this token bubble has exploded, we should think how we bail out all thous poor wow-millionares who lost large portion of their wealth in this tragedy. I back up that we make every wow player who doesn't bought tokens to pay 10% tax from their wealth which goes directly to bail out program. After all we can't let those wow-millionares go down because AH doesn't rise up the price of the goods by itself.

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    I must admit, I'm surprised by the movement of the token price. Not because I overestimated how many people actually have a lot of gold ingame - I think I underestimated just how many people were willing to drop cash to get gold. I don't know what they're spending the gold on, lord knows I never found anything in-game that needed gold to be bought, but I guess some people are willing to drop five bucks here and five bucks there to buy vanity mounts and stuff?

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    wtf UNDER 25k? i just hope this price will be here in EU the same. I want to buy 5 years (up from 4^^) of gametime
    please Blizzard. Dont take to long for this

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    I dunno, first post made me laugh a little. Those with the gold to spend on the tokens bought in as early as possible because of anticipated demand and fear it was going to go up like in most every MMO that's implemented this - you want to be on the ground floor. The throttle was at 10 tokens per person, which at 30k was 300k per gold seller. As someone with millions laying around, this was hardly a dent, and there are many of us today. The adjustment, at this point 5k per token, is not that big a hit, it's 50k total. Personally, I look at 50k like the majority of players look at 5k. Just economies of scale. Sort of like when Tiger Woods wrecks a $50k automobile, I can go win one match and replace that 100 times over, so it's not a big deal to me. If you have the actual talent for making gold, you can always replace it, whereas most normal people would scream about losing it. I know I lost half a million in the lead up to the release of BRF speculating in one market, I replaced that loss 7x over so far.

    The tokens will eventually grow in value, right now because of throttles on purchases they are going to be artificial lows. But once everyone who actually has the gold has all the gametime they can stand, we will run out of need for the gametime, unless the game will be around for the next 20 years. That means you can expect the price to rise. Over time it will solidify to a price point, and Blizz will insure this. If you're rooting for your local millionaire to fail, I assure you that you're barking up the wrong tree. Unlike you, we have the knowledge to make it all back, whereas the buyers are essentially giving all that gold back to us. Don't worry, your overlords won't look badly on you for hating us, we are the ones in charge of this, and we have it under control.

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