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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Nixx View Post
    At least in the US, being white gives you privilege and being male gives you privilege. White women are privileged because they're white, but not because they're female.
    Can you define privilege for us? This guy certainly didn't have the privilege to say whatever he wanted or make a joke in poor taste. The question is, are women allowed to make similarly sexist jokes against men without being fired? I honestly don't know, but if they can make jokes and men can't....then who is privileged?

  2. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by Varabently View Post
    I guess it's just sad that you aren't allowed to make jokes that are in poor taste. Sure, the joke wasn't great and it wasn't funny, but why does poor humor warrant termination?

    I get it though, professors speak for the university and when you are out in public, you're at the mercy of society.
    But any other job you'd get a written/verbal warning. Though due to media/social publication, it's blown out of the water.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nixx View Post
    At least in the US, being white gives you privilege and being male gives you privilege. White women are privileged because they're white, but not because they're female.
    But... that's people being racist towards white people - assuming they are all something due to skin color...

  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by Nixx View Post
    At least in the US, being white gives you privilege and being male gives you privilege. White women are privileged because they're white, but not because they're female.
    Let me test that theory by making kids with a woman, divorce her and see who gets to keep them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinra1 View Post
    No he said to the bbc that his joke was honest and that he believed some of what he said that doesn't sound like much of an apology to me.
    Here's his apology:
    “It is true … I have fallen in love with people in the lab and people in the lab have fallen in love with me and it’s very disruptive to the science because it’s terribly important that in a lab people are on a level playing field.

    “I found that these emotional entanglements made life very difficult. I’m really, really sorry I caused any offence, that’s awful. I certainly didn’t mean that. I just meant to be honest, actually.”
    And

    “I’m very sorry that what I thought were light hearted ironic remarks were taken so seriously, and I’m very sorry if people took offence. I certainly did not mean to demean women, but rather be honest about my own shortcomings.”
    Oh no, the monster..

    As for the "believing what some of what he said is true".. Well.
    Women do cry more than men.
    Women and men working together does naturally increase the occurrence of work-place romance.

    He should apologize for the offense, the way he said it and the way it was received - as he did. But he should not be made to say that it's all baseless just to be forgiven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinra1 View Post
    If I was black and experienced racism I have already a better perception of racial issues and problems than a white person who has never experienced racism.
    Here you bring in skin colour without a reason.
    "If I was black and experience racism" yes you would recognise it better, but not because you were black but because you had experienced racism. Same for "white person who has never experienced racism". You wouldn't recognise it as well because you didn't experience it. It has nothing to do with skin colour.

    I am white and I have experienced racism, where do I fit into your bad example?

    Your example should have been "people who are black have a higher % chance of suffering from racism, which in turn causes black people to recognise racist environments or behaviour sooner". Yet you didn't, you had to bring in skin colour without it serving any point.

  6. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by Shinra1 View Post
    That's just dumb. Of course someone's skin colour influences how their 'ability to perceive problems/issues' BECAUSE of racism and oppression people with certain skin colours have a harder life and they have a bigger struggle than this white scientist so they are more inherently sensitive to issues and even more empathetic to racial abuse.

    If I was black and experienced racism I have already a better perception of racial issues and problems than a white person who has never experienced racism.
    That's funny because I lived in the southern US and experienced racism (as a white person) almost daily. So am I allowed to have a perception of what's racist? I certainly experienced it personally, but since I'm white it doesn't count or something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinra1 View Post
    No he said to the bbc that his joke was honest and that he believed some of what he said that doesn't sound like much of an apology to me especially with so many already having a hard time in science because of centuries of misogyny.

    I really dislike the argument that says he should be forgiven because of his contribution to science. He shouldn't be on those grounds. We've finally managed to address historical abuse cases against celebrities who were seen as untouchable - I don't believe anyone is above being reprimanded as necessary. But if he had properly apologised, I would have supported him.

    If he'd apologised, and retracted his comment, I'd have supported him. I don't think we can have comments like this (even a 'joke' gone wrong, because the line between jokes and bullying can be a wavy one) accepted, especially by prominent field leaders in positions of power - however in his apology he didn't seem at all repentant.
    You claimed he said that women "...are more concerned with falling in love with other scientists rather than the science", but he never said anything like that. It's blatant and deliberate misrepresentation of his words.

    He's an advocate for gender separated labs as he believes that mixed labs cause distractions to scientists.


    You have lied and misrepresented him consistently in this thread, from the title onwards.

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    A sign of how pathetic the world is becoming to be sure.

    What he said is pretty much true as well from what I gather, they shouldn't have fired him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Furitrix View Post
    This has nothing to do with political correctness...
    Of course it does. If the comment was not widely received in a negative light by mass social medias, no one would have a reason to distance themselves from him.
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  10. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by Nixx View Post
    It's the same principle: immunity for your actions due to the harm wrought being outweighed by the value of your scientific advancement. If we're going to be rational in applying this, rather than just making a bunch of really bitchy internet posts because we didn't get our way, we should apply it in a consistent manner.
    Where's the inconsistency? Just because one thinks that harm of sexist remarks is outweighed by the value of your scientific advancements, doesn't mean the same applies to the harm of murder. We kinda grade different kinds of harm differently. Which can be noticed in the fact that murder is a crime and sexist remarks are not. Gradation. It could very well be murder > value of this guy's scientific advancement > sexist remarks in terms of importance. Your previous post was ginormous hyperbole and not a witty remark about inconsistency (unless applied to DEATHETERNAL alone, I can't really know their thought process on where murder is placed in this context).
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    Does the CIA pay you for your bullshit or are you just bootlicking in your free time?
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    Slant is an extremist, willing to sacrifice the lives of everyone to keep his wet dream of the EU alive.
    You shouldn't support people like him, it's like supporting ISIS.

  11. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaxi View Post
    And do you think his punishment was consistent with his "crime?"
    I think if he were some minimum wage employee embarrassing his employer on his Twitter account and being released for that we wouldn't even stop to question it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jaxi View Post
    It may give you privilege, does not automatically give you privilege. Stop assuming the conditions and actions of every person will be similar because of their skin color.
    I don't assume any such thing. You guys just never listen when I explain privilege and continue to insist it's some absolute measure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    Where's the inconsistency? Just because one thinks that harm of sexist remarks is outweighed by the value of your scientific advancements, doesn't mean the same applies to the harm of murder. We kinda grade different kinds of harm differently. Which can be noticed in the fact that murder is a crime and sexist remarks are not. Gradation. It could very well be murder > value of this guy's scientific advancement > sexist remarks in terms of importance. Your previous post was ginormous hyperbole and not a witty remark about inconsistency (unless applied to DEATHETERNAL alone, I can't really know their thought process on where murder is placed in this context).
    Because if we're going to play this type of game, how can you possibly say that saving thousands or even millions of lives doesn't outweigh ending one?
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  12. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by Shinra1 View Post
    His comments and subsequent weak apology were far below the standards of a professional scientist. It made him sound like a bit of a tit.

    "Silly", "mild", "just harmless fun"...

    We're so used to sexism that we're not able to see what's right in front of us. He's a sexist old fool.
    Yet, if he made some biting, off-color remark about fundamental Christian scientists: you'd be all cheers and pats on the back. Anyone can see that when you reduce an esteemed scientist to "a sexist old fool" because of an unsavory joke, that you are more than a little biased. This isn't about treating people nicely, it's about defending your agenda -- which entails figuratively annihilating people for not agreeing with your view of the world and what is important. He can be as mean-spirited, offensive and cruel to people as he wants, as long as he respects women's rights and minorities - and the targets of his jokes aren't women and minorities.

    Fuck your sensibilities. He made a joke that isn't politically correct, and his punishment is far out of proportion. Come at me.
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  13. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by Aydinx2 View Post
    Here you bring in skin colour without a reason.
    "If I was black and experience racism" yes you would recognise it better, but not because you were black but because you had experienced racism. Same for "white person who has never experienced racism". You wouldn't recognise it as well because you didn't experience it. It has nothing to do with skin colour.

    I am white and I have experienced racism, where do I fit into your bad example?

    Your example should have been "people who are black have a higher % chance of suffering from racism, which in turn causes black people to recognise racist environments or behaviour sooner". Yet you didn't, you had to bring in skin colour without it serving any point.
    I'm tempted to ignore your posts because they're getting sillier each time. The black person who experiences racism experiences it because they are black so YES, FUCKING ABSOLUTELY being black has EVERYTHING to do with his perception of racial issues.

    And nowhere did I say that white people can't experience racism but certainly not from black people because being black means you can't be racist only prejudice.

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    I hope you realise that these kind of efforts to demonise people for jokes and whatnot will inevitably turn everyone against any causes you might hold dear. Theres a reason why identifying as a feminist right now is considered a joke.

  15. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by Shinra1 View Post
    That's just dumb. Of course someone's skin colour influences how their 'ability to perceive problems/issues' BECAUSE of racism and oppression people with certain skin colours have a harder life and they have a bigger struggle than this white scientist so they are more inherently sensitive to issues and even more empathetic to racial abuse.

    If I was black and experienced racism I have already a better perception of racial issues and problems than a white person who has never experienced racism.
    The ease in which you regurgitate the same crap you've read online is almost painful, thank god it's equally laughable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinra1 View Post
    being black means you can't be racist only prejudice.
    You should just lead with this, so people know where you stand and can ignore you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nixx View Post
    I think if he were some minimum wage employee embarrassing his employer on his Twitter account and being released for that we wouldn't even stop to question it.
    You didn't answer the question.


    I don't assume any such thing. You guys just never listen when I explain privilege and continue to insist it's some absolute measure.
    Never listen?
    At least in the US, being white gives you privilege and being male gives you privilege.
    Being white gives you privilege. There is no wiggle room added into that statement, Nixx. You did not say it may give you privilege, you said it does give you privilege. You introduced the absolute.
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    He must be the dumbest scientist on earth if he really made a sexist joke at a female scientist empowerment conference...

  19. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by Shinra1 View Post
    And nowhere did I say that white people can't experience racism but certainly not from black people because being black means you can't be racist only prejudice.
    There are no words to explain how stupid that is.

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    To be consistent those people have to stop using GPS.

    Made precise by the theorys of a staunch sexists.
    If they are ready to do that for their cause well they would have my respect.

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