Drag Queens banned from Gay Pride Event

[Kalis]

Non-Binary = Don't identify as male or female.

That didn't really clear it up. Do they identify as something else? As nothing?

It was so much easier when you had straight men, straight women, gays, lesbians and those who dabbled in a bit of both. You knew where you stood in them days.

[Aeriel]

They have a point here, aren't drag queens basically mocking real transgender people?

No, no, and no again. There is "mocking" and there is "hyperbole". Most drag queens have friends/coworker/drag mothers/etc that are transgender, and there is the approach to gender that differs.

[Cosmic Janitor]

That didn't really clear it up. Do they identify as something else? As nothing?

It was so much easier when you had straight men, straight women, gays, lesbians and those who dabbled in a bit of both. You knew where you stood in them days.

You missed the facebook and other-kin thing, didn't you?

[Deleted]

That didn't really clear it up. Do they identify as something else? As nothing?

It was so much easier when you had straight men, straight women, gays, lesbians and those who dabbled in a bit of both. You knew where you stood in them days.

It's people that see gender as a spectrum instead of as two "options" so they want to identify as a combination of genders and gender roles instead of the classic interpretation of gender being male or female.

It's applying very similar principles to the "sexuality spectrum" - we no longer see sexuality as either "gay" or "straight", almost everyone falls somewhere along the spectrum and get's turned on by varying degrees to both genders.

I must admit I can't really wrap my head around it properly myself, a sexuality spectrum is something that's fairly simple to understand but a gender spectrum does confuse me.

[TheLittleBeast]

That didn't really clear it up. Do they identify as something else? As nothing?

It was so much easier when you had straight men, straight women, gays, lesbians and those who dabbled in a bit of both. You knew where you stood in them days.

Not sure if this website will help. It lists several gender identifications.
http://itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/...m-definitions/

[Aylashae]

Color me confused, but does it not require intent to offend in such matters? Some peoples being that way, dressing in drag, is the first steps to being transgender right? Or more so how Gays enjoy their own life? o.o

[TheLittleBeast]

Victims of discrimination discriminating, we've finally come full circle haven't we?

Be aware, this is only a minority and their reasoning doesn't seem to be aimed at discriminating against others, even if it ultimately does.

[Luxxor]

They're banned because it's in Glasgow and all the men up there wear skirts, so to avoid gatecrashers they're banning men in skirts. Probably.

This could be the best explanation in the thread.

No, no, and no again. There is "mocking" and there is "hyperbole". Most drag queens have friends/coworker/drag mothers/etc that are transgender, and there is the approach to gender that differs.

Isn't this the old, "I have black friends so I can't be racist" argument?

[Deleted]

Color me confused, but does it not require intent to offend in such matters? Some peoples being that way, dressing in drag, is the first steps to being transgender right? Or more so how Gays enjoy their own life? o.o

Drag acts are usually actually hetero males or gay males, transgender people generally aren't huge fans of it.

[Gothicshark]

A Gay Pride which bans drags?

What's next? An armed Peace March?

I believe in peace, I also believe in owning firearms. I'm an armed former US Marine trans-woman who is anti-war.

[TheLittleBeast]

Color me confused, but does it not require intent to offend in such matters? Some peoples being that way, dressing in drag, is the first steps to being transgender right? Or more so how Gays enjoy their own life? o.o

Dressing in drag does not mean a person is trangender, neither is it a step to becoming a transgendered person. There are no step to becoming who you are.

[Deleted]

Drag acts are usually actually hetero males or gay males, transgender people generally aren't huge fans of it.

So not being a fan gives you entitlement to ban other people choice of clothing or sexuality bad news for pride parades then.

[Kalis]

You missed the facebook and other-kin thing, didn't you?

Facebook is the ideal tool for meeting women, so no to that.

I missed the other one though, I expect I'd be grateful for doing so as well if I find out what it is.

[Deleted]

So not being a fan gives you entitlement to ban other people choice of clothing or sexuality bad news for pride parades then.

This isn't a major pride event. It's an alternate fringe version of pride in a city that has a sizeable "main" pride event.

Personally I don't think pride should ever exclude people - the core message is "everyone is welcome" and it's meant to be a beacon of hope to people who maybe struggle with their sexual or gender identity to show that there's millions of other people out there just like you. Even if drag isn't popular with transgenders it clearly has a subsection of the population in both the gay and hetero communities who enjoy it and should have a place.

[Deleted]

This isn't a major pride event. It's an alternate fringe version of pride in a city that has a sizeable "main" pride event.

They should ban it because it's a disrimination parade.

[Aeriel]

It's people that see gender as a spectrum instead of as two "options" so they want to identify as a combination of genders and gender roles instead of the classic interpretation of gender being male or female.

It's applying very similar principles to the "sexuality spectrum" - we no longer see sexuality as either "gay" or "straight", almost everyone falls somewhere along the spectrum and get's turned on by varying degrees to both genders.

I must admit I can't really wrap my head around it properly myself, a sexuality spectrum is something that's fairly simple to understand but a gender spectrum does confuse me.

I understand the gender spectrum.

Using myself for example: I am a male, but some of my mannerisms are slightly effeminate. Do I or anyone consider me effeminate? No, but the behaviours would be considered as such. Similarly I have friends that are male, consider themselves male, but act like teenage girls. I know women that are more masculine than most masculine men, but are still women.

The term "non-binary" though. I have never heard that before. Even from transgenders, non-normative persons, furries, or any such.

[Deleted]

I do not believe drag queens and their act is an intended mockery of transgender people; if it's even a mockery at at all.

its a mockery of mainstream gender stereotypes really.

[Arcanimus]

Wondering if anyone even read the quote or article.

The article says there will be no drag performances, meaning no floats, no assembled groups, etc. As I read it, they will still be able to participate or attend.

[Aeriel]

This could be the best explanation in the thread.



Isn't this the old, "I have black friends so I can't be racist" argument?

No, that's the hyperbole part. It's like when someone, for example, makes a racist joke for the purpose of pointing out how racist something is. Satire is a different set of rules.

[TheLittleBeast]

its a mockery of mainstream gender stereotypes really.

I can see that. I was mainly referring to it not being a mockery of transgendered people.