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    Feral in 7.0

    I know it's super early before 7.0. But with a new melee class coming into the game and surv going melee. I'm kind of wondering how it's going to play out. I mean obviously everyone and their brothers uncle is going to be a demon hunter. And I know feral will still have its place but with now two classes who will probably do what feral does better being rogues, demon hunters and you might even be able to through surv. Hunters in that topic now. It just makes me feel that feral will be kind of pointless. I raid on a team that is usually top 100-150 in U.S. And since the whole Legion update I've just been worried about feral. I get it seems like pointless QQ. But anyone who has played feral for years know that we get overlooked because there was always a class that did what we did better. Being one of the rogue specs. Again, don't get me wrong feral IMO this raid tier has been pretty good I cannot complain I've enjoyed it a lot. My worry is that feral already isn't a highly played spec. And with demon hunters, survival hunter, rogues feral just seems like it's going to be pushed further down.

    Feels like I'm going to have to dust off the old feathers.

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    A lot of the newly made Demon Hunters will soon disappear as quickly as they showed up, and another bunch of them will only ever perform at a mediocre level. A lot of hunters categorically won't be playing Survival because they didn't choose hunter in the first place because the wanted to play a melee class.

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    You have to realize I'm not talking about sub par mythic guilds. I'm talking about guilds that are clearing M content. And if surv and demon hunters and rogues are better than feral. That raid spot is gone for most ferals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shooter McGavin View Post
    I get it seems like pointless QQ.
    I don't want to be mean but that's exactly what this is right now. The expansion was just announced and Blizzard has plenty of stuff they haven't revealed yet. If Feral feels forgotten and it's in the later stages of beta then this post could be useful but right now it's just like every other class forum post about how the sky is falling. Rogues were upset they weren't getting worked on until it was confirmed in an interview that they were.


    It's just to early to be speculating about this right now.

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    Feral need more versatility via talents. If nothing changes in 7.0, bye bye Feral...

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    I understand it seems like QQ. I knew doing this thread it was going to cause cancer like all pre xpac predictions do. But I'm just going based on what we have highlighted in facts and the history of the class. Ferals historically get outshined by rogues. And feral isn't a highly played class because you can just be a rogue and pick from 3 specs. And now with demon hunters and survival hunters the pool just keeps getting watered down. And ferals have historically been at the bottom.

    I'm just going based on the facts we have right now and 5 years of playing a class that has been getting the short end of the stick most xpacs

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    We're already one of the weaker specs to bring for HFC, mythic especially. So unless were just utterly awful I believe it will come down to whether or not we're close enough on the dps spectrum to outplay those we compete with. So if your good, there will probably be a spot for feral. But who knows, maybe we'll end up being the strong spec?

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    Feral over the course of this entire expansion has been lackluster compared to other melee. In HFC our DPS is above average in patchwerk situations, but what we do well, a rogue or warrior does better and then some. Given how one-dimensional we are, it is not wrong to express this type of concern given the fact that two new melee are entering the field which will have immediate attention by blizzard that is much more likely to result in effective gameplay. Face it, Blizz is not going to create demonhunter and let it be mediocre, nor are they going to open up melee hunter survival and make it so useless that no one plays it. There is plenty of buzz for both and that alone will garner some attention from both skilled and mediocre players.

    This isn't a 'sky is falling' issue, but is more of a, "we know the problems, and what will happen if they aren't corrected" kind of thing.

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    Pretty much that ^. I feel like feral will be left behind if not brought to attention. I'm sure it will get some reworking but it could be a band-aid type fix. There isn't a lot of us, and the few of us that are left might have rerolled to strength dps or are looking at boomkin. I don't want our custom forms to be the only thing that feral gets to show off. I would rather have an interesting, adaptive playstyle than new forms, tbh. I myself am looking at other classes. I am at least going to have on in my back pocket in case things go south.

    I am really hoping and praying feral gets treated as a dps spec and not a hybrid that can "just go boomy".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynxx89 View Post
    Pretty much that ^. I feel like feral will be left behind if not brought to attention. I'm sure it will get some reworking but it could be a band-aid type fix. There isn't a lot of us, and the few of us that are left might have rerolled to strength dps or are looking at boomkin. I don't want our custom forms to be the only thing that feral gets to show off. I would rather have an interesting, adaptive playstyle than new forms, tbh. I myself am looking at other classes. I am at least going to have on in my back pocket in case things go south.

    I am really hoping and praying feral gets treated as a dps spec and not a hybrid that can "just go boomy".
    Thats the same boat im in. And why i felt it needed to be addressed. Like we havent been in a good place since DS w/ 4pc. Other than that we have been okay to bad. And I love boomie dont get me wrong. But Feral is so much better, and is better than alot of the dot/bleed classes in WoW. But we just get the shaft over and over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrotles View Post
    Like we havent been in a good place since DS w/ 4pc. Other than that we have been okay to bad.
    I would have to disagree with that. ToT and SoO with RoRO was very very rewarding when played right and could tear up the AoE, cleave and ST.

    Although that was dependent on a trinket. Feral still performed very well without, but the difference was pretty great w/o RoRO

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    Feral is pretty awful already. Since it hass been left on the vine to rot the entire expansion a bigger question is will the people that gave up on it come back. If you lose the theorycrafters, add-on creators and weak aura makers it's a dead spec anyway.

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    Okay so, we are talking about pro mythic guilds, here is the truth:

    - There will be 9 class with 14 type of melee specialisation
    - Mythic guilds use max 3-4 melee in a raid
    - Demonhunters will be OP, because reasons
    - Surv hunter will be OP to shut the hunter's mouth
    - Rogues/warriors will be above the average, because they always are since 10 years.
    - For the last spot in the raid Feral/DK/Monk/Ret/Shaman classes will fight. Since Blizzard fall in love with massive add weaves in every single fight the winner will be the one with the highest AoE burst or the DK for grips/freez/slow

    Yes, i will wait until release , but i think the biggest question here is will you play as Owl or reroll to some other ranged class?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynxx89 View Post
    There isn't a lot of us, and the few of us that are left might have rerolled to strength dps or are looking at boomkin.
    I am really hoping and praying feral gets treated as a dps spec and not a hybrid that can "just go boomy".
    Honestly I'd never re-roll and I'd quit before I went moonkin-because I wouldn't enjoy the game. I would rather balance be removed from the game then have an option to play it.

    I want to play a melee druid-blizzard needs to just fix crap. Of they are going through the trouble of giving us new forms they can at least make us 100% dps spec of something. Make feral the ST king and remove raid roar from everything that isn't Feral/Bear for a start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vilendor View Post
    - Mythic guilds use max 3-4 melee in a raid
    You mean 3-6
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    Quote Originally Posted by FeralSynapse View Post
    Honestly I'd never re-roll and I'd quit before I went moonkin-because I wouldn't enjoy the game. I would rather balance be removed from the game then have an option to play it.

    I want to play a melee druid-blizzard needs to just fix crap. Of they are going through the trouble of giving us new forms they can at least make us 100% dps spec of something. Make feral the ST king and remove raid roar from everything that isn't Feral/Bear for a start.
    Ugh, I know what you mean. I have tried out a few specs and looked at what their gameplay is like. TBH i really only enjoy Feral. i don't want to go boomkin. and I really only enjoy melee. So far I think I have gotten lucky with my guild search and have found a good group of people that want me to stay Feral. But I shouldn't be needing to look towards other specs/classes to feel needed in a raid. Its not that I am not viable, I bring great numbers to the raid. It's the fact that most mythic progression guilds look towards the world race guilds to see what is used and try to base their thoughts on that.

    I will try out DH for sure, just for my own good. Who knows, I may love it. If not, I still love my Feral.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynxx89 View Post
    Ugh, I know what you mean. I have tried out a few specs and looked at what their gameplay is like. TBH i really only enjoy Feral. i don't want to go boomkin. and I really only enjoy melee. So far I think I have gotten lucky with my guild search and have found a good group of people that want me to stay Feral. But I shouldn't be needing to look towards other specs/classes to feel needed in a raid. Its not that I am not viable, I bring great numbers to the raid. It's the fact that most mythic progression guilds look towards the world race guilds to see what is used and try to base their thoughts on that.

    I will try out DH for sure, just for my own good. Who knows, I may love it. If not, I still love my Feral.
    Likewise. I'm also fortunate enough to be in a guild that does follow the mentality of "bring the player not the class" so I have little worry about having to change specs. Even if I absolutely had to...I think I could 'stomach' bear until cat got the correct buffs it needed to be functional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FeralSynapse View Post
    Honestly I'd never re-roll and I'd quit before I went moonkin-because I wouldn't enjoy the game. I would rather balance be removed from the game then have an option to play it.

    I want to play a melee druid-blizzard needs to just fix crap. Of they are going through the trouble of giving us new forms they can at least make us 100% dps spec of something. Make feral the ST king and remove raid roar from everything that isn't Feral/Bear for a start.
    Both Rake and Rip would have to be buffed 50% to put Feral back up with Mages in single target. That's how badly Feral has scaled and how far they have fallen since receiving any attention from Blizzard.

    If Blizzard isn't going to support their game in WoD what makes people think they will in Legion. The fact that they have been silent on that issue indicates that they will not.

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    We're only getting worse by the week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FeralSynapse View Post
    Likewise. I'm also fortunate enough to be in a guild that does follow the mentality of "bring the player not the class" so I have little worry about having to change specs. Even if I absolutely had to...I think I could 'stomach' bear until cat got the correct buffs it needed to be functional.
    A little bit of divergent off the topic; but the switch to "bring the player not the class" has been part of the problem and was never a real solution. The idea of "bring the player not the class" is that there is a level of parity between classes that you would bring a feral over a rogue (for example) because he's a better player, and clearly that hasn't ever been the case. The problem we have right now is that we have a heavily skewed niche and are completely garbage outside of that niche; even within that niche, we're slightly above average for single-target and cleave. It's really hard to justify a raid spot when you're not great at anything and terrible at a number of things, especially when your utility is shared across every spec.

    Don't get me wrong, I don't think we're so bad we're not worth bringing; we're just in a role (melee) that already has limited spots and there isn't really anything that makes someone say "I want/need a feral in my raid". It was a little different in WotLK when, IIRC, we were the only spec that gave the 5% melee crit which made people want a feral in their raid. I don't really think that's a better model, but pretty much after WotLK it became much more feasible to class stack because a lot of the utility and buffs were spread across multiple classes. It sounds like they're moving back towards that model for Legion which should be beneficial for feral, but I would agree making Stamp Roar a Guardian/Feral only utility would be the mandatory place to start

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