Raid Finder Archimonde Nerfs, Timewalking Rewards Cost Changes, Tweets, FinalBoss #93

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Raid Finder Archimonde Nerfs
Archimonde should be somewhat easier on Raid Finder difficulty in the future.

Armory Stats - Race / Class / Gender
In the stats from earlier this week some users were interested in a further breakdown by class, so we have included that data today. It is too long to include in the news, so click on the image below if you are interested!

Patch 6.2.2 - Timewalking Rewards
Patch 6.2.2 adds more rewards to Timewalking! You can see Cupri in Shattrath (Outland) to purchase these items for Timewarped Badge, rewarded from running Timewalking dungeons.

A recent PTR build adjusted the costs, but we haven't had another Timewalking weekend to confirm the new prices and any changes to the drop rate. The latest version of the official notes still says "Players now receive a Timewarped Badge when they complete a Timewalking dungeon". Keep in mind that the drop rate and prices are not final!

• Mounts - The Reins of the Eclipse Dragonhawk and Bridle of the Ironbound Wraithcharger cost 5,000 Timewarped Badge.
  
  • The Ironbound Wraithcharger model was added to the game in Mists of Pandaria and was originally going to be a shop mount.
• Heirloom Upgrades - You can purchase the heirloom upgrade items for 750 / 1000 badges (Armor) and 900 / 1200 badges (Weapon)
• Armor and Weapons - Badge of JusticeTimewarped Badge gear is item level 675 and uses the same models as some Burning Crusade gear.
• Reputation Commendations - These BoA items grant 500 Reputation with some of the Burning Crusade and Wrath of the Lich King factions.
• Pets - The Bag of Fishing Treasures can contain several different crocodile pets. You can also obtain this bag by completing the Crocolisks in the City daily quest.
• Cooking - The Barrel of Fish and Crate of Meat can contain some older Cooking recipes.

• Mounts
• Heirloom Upgrades
• Reputation
• Armor / Weapons
• Misc

Level	Type	Slot	Spec	Name	Cost
80	Mount			Bridle of the Ironbound Wraithcharger	??
70	Mount			Reins of the Eclipse Dragonhawk	5000 ×

Level	Type	Slot	Spec	Name	Cost
90	Consumable			Ancient Heirloom Armor Casing	750 ×
90	Consumable			Ancient Heirloom Scabbard	900 ×
100	Consumable			Timeworn Heirloom Armor Casing	1000 ×
100	Consumable			Timeworn Heirloom Scabbard	1200 ×

Level	Type	Slot	Spec	Name	Cost
1	Quest			Commendation of the Kirin Tor	50 ×
1	Quest			Commendation of the Ebon Blade	50 ×
1	Quest			Commendation of the Argent Crusade	50 ×
1	Quest			Commendation of the Sons of Hodir	50 ×
1	Quest			Commendation of the Wyrmrest Accord	50 ×
1	Quest			Commendation of The Consortium	50 ×
1	Quest			Commendation of The Sha'tar	50 ×
1	Quest			Commendation of Thrallmar	50 ×
1	Quest			Commendation of Honor Hold	50 ×
1	Quest			Commendation of the Cenarion Expedition	50 ×
1	Quest			Commendation of the Keepers of Time	50 ×
1	Quest			Commendation of Lower City	50 ×
1	Quest			Commendation of the Horde Expedition	50 ×
1	Quest			Commendation of the Alliance Vanguard	50 ×

Level	Type	Slot	Spec	Name	Cost
226	Neck	Neck		Shard of the Crystal Forest	??
213	Finger	Finger		Signet of the Impregnable Fortress	??
200	Trinket	Trinket		Sundial of the Exiled	??
200	Trinket	Trinket		Valor Medal of the First War	??
200	Trinket	Trinket		Mirror of Truth	??
245	Trinket	Trinket		Mark of Supremacy	??
110	Trinket	Trinket		Emblem of Fury	35 ×
110	Trinket	Trinket		Icon of the Silver Crescent	35 ×
110	Trinket	Trinket		Bloodlust Brooch	35 ×
226	Neck	Neck	All Strength	Spiked Battleguard Choker	??
245	Finger	Finger	All Strength	Bloodshed Band	??
110	Trinket	Trinket	All Strength	Gnomeregan Auto-Blocker 601	35 ×
226	Neck	Neck	Healer	Frozen Tear of Elune	??
213	Finger	Finger	Healer	Renewal of Life	??
226	Neck	Neck	All Agility	Broach of the Wailing Night	??
213	Finger	Finger	All Agility	Ring of Invincibility	??
226	Neck	Neck	All Intellect	Evoker's Charm	??
213	Finger	Finger	All Intellect	Band of Channeled Magic	??
200	Trinket	Trinket	All Intellect	The Egg of Mortal Essence	??
110	Trinket	Trinket	All Intellect	Essence of the Martyr	35 ×
110	Off Hand	Off Hand	All Intellect	Talisman of Kalecgos	25 ×
110	Back	Back		Farstrider Defender's Cloak	50 ×
136	Back	Back	All Strength	Dory's Embrace	50 ×
110	Back	Back	Healer	Bishop's Cloak	50 ×
110	Back	Back	All Agility	Blood Knight War Cloak	50 ×
110	Cloth	Head	All Intellect	Cowl of Naaru Blessings	35 ×
264	Cloth	Chest	All Intellect	Meteor Chaser's Raiment	??
128	Cloth	Waist	All Intellect	Voodoo-Woven Belt	35 ×
141	Cloth	Legs	All Intellect	Corrupted Soulcloth Pantaloons	2250 ×
213	Cloth	Feet	All Intellect	Xintor's Expeditionary Boots	??
264	Cloth	Hands	All Intellect	Gloves of False Gestures	??
110	Back	Back	All Intellect	Shawl of Shifting Probabilities	50 ×
110	Leather	Head		Mask of the Deceiver	35 ×
264	Leather	Chest		Shadow Seeker's Tunic	??
141	Leather	Waist		Belt of the Silent Path	35 ×
141	Leather	Legs		Trousers of the Scryers' Retainer	25 ×
213	Leather	Feet		Boots of Captain Ellis	??
264	Leather	Hands		Cat Burglar's Grips	??
110	Mail	Head		Storm Master's Helmet	35 ×
264	Mail	Chest		Longstrider's Vest	??
141	Mail	Waist		Aftershock Waistguard	35 ×
141	Mail	Legs		Rushing Storm Kilt	25 ×
213	Mail	Feet		Pack-Ice Striders	??
264	Mail	Hands		Logsplitters	??
110	Plate	Head		Faceguard of Determination	35 ×
264	Plate	Chest		Castle Breaker's Battleplate	??
141	Plate	Waist		Girdle of Seething Rage	35 ×
141	Plate	Legs		Legplates of Unending Fury	25 ×
213	Plate	Feet		Kyzoc's Ground Stompers	??
264	Plate	Hands		Gauntlets of the Kraken	??
110	Shield	Off Hand	All Strength	Azure-Shield of Coldarra	25 ×
110	Shield	Off Hand	All Intellect	Mazthoril Honor Shield	25 ×
146	Two-handed Axe	Two Hand	All Strength	The Blade of Harbingers	100 ×
146	One-handed Mace	One Hand	All Intellect	Gavel of Naaru Blessings	35 ×
115	One-handed Sword	One Hand	All Strength	Sword of Unyielding Force	35 ×
146	Staff	Two Hand	All Agility	Staff of the Forest Lord	100 ×
141	Staff	Two Hand	All Intellect	Staff of the Soul-Eater	100 ×
146	Fist Weapon	One Hand	All Agility	Vanir's Fist of Brutality	35 ×
146	Dagger	One Hand	All Agility	The Mutilator	35 ×
146	Dagger	One Hand	All Intellect	Scryer's Blade of Focus	35 ×
146	Crossbow	Ranged	All Agility	Crossbow of Relentless Strikes	100 ×

Level	Type	Slot	Spec	Name	Cost
65	Junk			Barrel of Fish	25 ×
1	Junk			Crate of Meat	25 ×
70	Junk			Bag of Fishing Treasures	150 ×
70	Junk			Mark of the Ashtongue	1250 ×
1	Holiday			Timeless Mirror	500 ×

Blue Tweets

Developer Communication
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PvP
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Ghostcrawler Tweets
Ghostcrawler still occasionally talks about WoW. Remember that he no longer works for or speaks for Blizzard.

Just curious, have you found many statistical correlations between time to obtain rewards and player engagement?
I don't know that I have data on it but I believe there is one. (OccupyGStreet)
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But you do come across as arrogant, and arent transparent. Nice to see one of your tips is to run when its getting hot.
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Final Boss #93 - Ranged Casters
Final Boss talked to Ranged Casters this week.

[Mask]

No need to nerf Archimonde. The fact that determination exists and makes the fight very easy with enough stacks (like 10) is plenty. I often wipe more than 10 times doing a new boss with my guild. LFR players want the raiding experience well THIS IS IT. You are supposed to wipe when learning new bosses.

[Deleted]

No need to nerf Archimonde. The fact that determination exists and makes the fight very easy with enough stacks (like 10) is plenty. I often wipe more than 10 times doing a new boss with my guild. LFR players want the raiding experience well THIS IS IT. You are supposed to wipe when learning new bosses.

Agree. Some people find Archimonde hard because the fight requires you to have a brain and a little patience if you wipe.

[Toijin]

I actually enjoy the difficulty of Archimonde LFR, even if on my alts i got up to 8 stacks of determination before killing him. An end boss of the final raid in the expansion being somewhat of a challenge, makes it actually kinda fun.

[Swolltitan]

No need to nerf Archimonde. The fact that determination exists and makes the fight very easy with enough stacks (like 10) is plenty. I often wipe more than 10 times doing a new boss with my guild. LFR players want the raiding experience well THIS IS IT. You are supposed to wipe when learning new bosses.

I disagree. While you have some people who try, we all know LFR is supposed to be easy. IMO, the only nerf I would suggest would be to slow the void star down, or just remove it. Other than that, the fight is fine and fun.

Keep in mind my suggestion is only for the fact that people who try have to carry many others. I'm a LFR raider, my main's ilvl is 695, but it does get frustrating when you have so many people who dont try. Before someone says go find a raiding guild, i have alts in one. I cant make the raids due to work life and parent life half the time.

[Deleted]

No need to nerf Archimonde. The fact that determination exists and makes the fight very easy with enough stacks (like 10) is plenty. I often wipe more than 10 times doing a new boss with my guild. LFR players want the raiding experience well THIS IS IT. You are supposed to wipe when learning new bosses.

O boohoo, LFR people get to kill the boss that's been in the game for 8 weeks.

[Turaska]

They should add Ogri-la reputation badges to the time walking vendor, doing the dailies at level 100 for Ogri'la is near impossible due to how damage works on lower monsters, you literally have to get a low level character to come and do it for you.

[cool_freezer]

why bother the community with updated prices if you have no f**king clue if drop rate even changed or if the drop rate changed give us any hint about that like the cost?! most useless post EVER herec.... since boub sold the site to curse the quality degenerated every day until today, the lowest point ever. let's see how far the bottom will reach

[risingforce]

No need to nerf Archimonde. The fact that determination exists and makes the fight very easy with enough stacks (like 10) is plenty. I often wipe more than 10 times doing a new boss with my guild. LFR players want the raiding experience well THIS IS IT. You are supposed to wipe when learning new bosses.

Perfect summation of how *end boss* in LFR should challenge players.

I was a hardcore raider in BFC, but casual in HFC. My experience of HFC has been via LFR and going into Archimonde was a real treat, because as you said, the kill came after many wipes (we killed on 8 stacks). Most people were happy to be pushing, adapting and going with the flow. There was 1 whiner but many were working towards the victory.

It's fights like this that are highlights of LFR, and I think Blizzard should continue to bring these kinds of challenges in this context.

[Sundreamer]

archimonde (atleast on LFR) isn't hard...people just need to use their damned brains, instead of letting them grow algae


if people can't kill the single infernals after i distract shot one out of the group and instead attack the stacked infernals or keep focusing the boss, they deserve a wipe

[lagmoose]

It doesn't help when you get some groups that don't want to "learn mechanics" on fights like this because "LOL Dudebruh, it's LFR", instead they just instruct people to die and wipe many times so they can power through it. Or you just get people who don't do shit but auto attack (for the same reason).

I think it's a damn shame that the patience of some of these players are lacking while their sense of self entitlement more than makes up for it.

[Pacster]

Perfect summation of how *end boss* in LFR should challenge players.

I was a hardcore raider in BFC, but casual in HFC. My experience of HFC has been via LFR and going into Archimonde was a real treat, because as you said, the kill came after many wipes (we killed on 8 stacks). Most people were happy to be pushing, adapting and going with the flow. There was 1 whiner but many were working towards the victory.

It's fights like this that are highlights of LFR, and I think Blizzard should continue to bring these kinds of challenges in this context.

Well, yes and no. I think it's good that a fight where you only face one boss in the instance is a bit harder. On the other hand I entered that fight with 6x Determination already....so that means that I had not to go through 6 wipes...and it as well means that quite a few players already had given up(which is sad). We only wiped one more time. So that was fine for me. 7 wipes in phase 3 would have sucked tho and definitely means that I would not try that boss again in LFR. Although the amount of wipes will likely decrease in comming weeks as players learn the fight, I think the problem are late wipes. It's a mechanic that works well with guilds...but not on a long fight with a lot going on in LFR. With randoms, people accuse each other more and rage quitting is quite common.
During my one wipe and the wipe before I entered(as far as I could read in the chat) the problem was clearly the nether in phase 3. We finally succeeded by simply force killing the nether walker and not caring much for the stars at all...but I ain't sure if that is possible without of the 7 stacks of determination.

[Sundreamer]

I think the point is that for a group who doesn't know the strat it takes at least 10 wipes for them to learn it. Many groups were getting high stacks long before infernals were an issue.

that's different though...my group had 10 stacks as well. we gradually got better, because after every wipe, somebody would explain what the group is having problems with.

but after 2-3 hours of wiping, they still wouldn't get it in their heads that the melee have to follow the tank into nether and that we gotta seperate the infernals...instead they kept on focusing the infernals grouped up. THAT deserves a wipe...it's the same with the add boss before mannoroth...people always focus the big boss and let everything else run rampart, because, you know, deeps



pretty much what lagmoose said above

[Deleted]

Clearly people commenting here don't do LFR regularly. I used to raid regular content till life happened. When you have many wipes in LFR it just slows down the raid incredibly. If the tanks are leaving after every wipe ( and yes this happens quite often ) you can have anything from 5 minute to an hour pauses between attempts. People just don't have the kind of time to do a boss that needs 10 attempts to kill especially if you have half hour pauses between attempts waiting for the raid to refill because people leave after every wipe, or see the amount of stacks your raid have and decide to leave there and then.

[Granyala]

Heheh, Draenei male monk 0.05% ...
I don't think I've ever seen one in game.

[Zandalarian Paladin]

No need to nerf Archimonde. The fact that determination exists and makes the fight very easy with enough stacks (like 10) is plenty. I often wipe more than 10 times doing a new boss with my guild. LFR players want the raiding experience well THIS IS IT. You are supposed to wipe when learning new bosses.

But here's the thing, we just want to do LFR for the story, not for the challenge. There's a reason I don't raid, and that's because I despise it.

[Laylriana]

They should add Ogri-la reputation badges to the time walking vendor, doing the dailies at level 100 for Ogri'la is near impossible due to how damage works on lower monsters, you literally have to get a low level character to come and do it for you.

Best suggestion I've seen. Hopefully someone who can do something about it will see this.

[Deleted]

If they want archimonde to be thisd "hard" in lfr then it needs to drop the fucking class trinket or anything useful, it's all useless shit right now.

[Triggered Fridgekin]

Ain't no party like an LFR party.

[darkest4]

Why are you still linking ghostcrawlers tweets he doesn't even work with bilzzard anymore ffs. Who cares what he says about game dev, he wasn't even that great when he was at blizz in the first place.