"Chrissie Hynde was right about rape. Now feminists want to silence her"

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/1...bout-rape.html

"Chrissie Hynde was right about rape. Now feminists want to silence her"

By Julia Hartley-Brewer

"By saying that the way women behave and dress can contribute to sexual violence, the singer dared to challenge the othodoxy of modern feminism"

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My opinion: I agree. I think we need to be able to discuss these issues without hysteria coming from feminists who want to silence the debate, and silence people like Chrissie Hynde and Julia Hartley-Brewer.

What do you think?

[Independent voter]

This lady came on the news, she was a consultant who worked for universities to reduce instances of rape on campus. Part of her program was to teach young ladies how to avoid rape, don't drink unless it's safe, go in groups of four etc. It was an effective program that worked.

She caught a lot of grief from girls on campus who accused her of victim blaming.

[DJ117]

I would only rape her if she is hot. So the solution is that women should be ugly.



Infracted.

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Yes, people should learn to be responsible for their own actions, even woman..

[xskarma]

She caught a lot of grief from girls on campus who accused her of victim blaming.

Well, that's the discussion point basically in this: where does victim blaming begin and where does personal responsibility for your safety end?

[unbound]

What do you think?

While always good advice, it doesn't get to the core of the problem. It doesn't matter how the woman dresses, if she is raped it isn't her fault because of how she dressed. It is the man's fault for raping.

I'm amazed at how this very simple concept is so difficult to understand.

The fact that we are teaching women ways to avoid getting raped says a lot about how far we have yet to go to be the civilized society we think we are...

[purebalance]

The skimpy clothes women wear were designed by women to take advantage of men's more primal desires. Women don't wear the stuff they wear because they like it. They wear it to attract men.

[Naxere]

Dave Chappelle said it best:

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Well, that's the discussion point basically in this: where does victim blaming begin and where does personal responsibility for your safety end?

I do not think that anyone is saying that the woman are the ones solely responsible for their rape, that would be just as stupid as claiming that they can't do anything wrong.
But if even admitting that you might have done something wrong as a female will bring you the scorn she has gotten then there is something wrong.

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I do not think that anyone is saying that the woman are the ones solely responsible for their rape, that would be just as stupid as claiming that they can't do anything wrong.
But if even admitting that you might have done something wrong as a female will bring you the scorn she has gotten then there is something wrong.

The rapist is the only one causing the rape. Not both perp and victim.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/1...bout-rape.html

"Chrissie Hynde was right about rape. Now feminists want to silence her"

By Julia Hartley-Brewer

"By saying that the way women behave and dress can contribute to sexual violence, the singer dared to challenge the othodoxy of modern feminism"

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My opinion: I agree. I think we need to be able to discuss these issues without hysteria coming from feminists who want to silence the debate, and silence people like Chrissie Hynde and Julia Hartley-Brewer.

What do you think?

I think that its never right to victim blame.

That said, whilst we can I am sure all agree we should live in a world where you can wear what you want, and act how you want, and not get physically attacked....thats not the world we actually live in. There is such a thing as taking reasonable steps to protect yourself.

To put it another way, yes I should be able to put on expensive watch and jewelry and go walking through the dodgy-est neighborhood I can find at 3am shouting about how rich and well off I am, and not get attacked....but I'd be fucking stupid to give it a try.

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My opinion is:

Rape is always the fault of the awful human being who carries out the action. No actions or situations negate this whatsoever.

At the same time it is important that you realise we don't live in a perfect world. There are awful human beings who murder, rob, rape etc out there and it's important that everyone is aware of this and doesn't put themselves in dangerous situations when it's possible to avoid them.

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The skimpy clothes women wear were designed by women to take advantage of men's more primal desires. Women don't wear the stuff they wear because they like it. They wear it to attract men.

I've already linked articles etc. In past threads that show more conservatively dressed women are at higher risk.

[Independent voter]

Dave Chappelle said it best:

Yeah, in the US our comedians are our intellectuals.

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My opinion is:

Rape is always the fault of the awful human being who carries out the action. No actions or situations negate this whatsoever.

At the same time it is important that you realise we don't live in a perfect world. There are awful human beings who murder, rob, rape etc out there and it's important that everyone is aware of this and doesn't put themselves in dangerous situations when it's possible to avoid them.

Dangerous situations like having a boyfriend or male friends?

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Well, that's the discussion point basically in this: where does victim blaming begin and where does personal responsibility for your safety end?

While I as a woman would not be that crazy running around drunk and in underwear by night and expecting to go out without any harm (=common sense, dictated by expecation of the worst qualities of people anywhere), I still would want men to behave and not try to rape me if I should ever be in such a situation.

Rape is a crime, and the focus should lie on the criminal, not the victim.

Let's be honest, the homophobia of some men can only stem from the fear, that homosexual men could to onto them the same thing, they would have no problem to do unto women. The big underlying problem is not the attire of women, but the fact that many men don't view rape as a crime, because "the bitches want this" in their weird private world.

Hello there! Would you want a gay man to rape you? No? Then don't rape women!

[Extremity]

I don't think anybody is arguing who is responsible for the rape; obviously the male doing the raping. What's being said is that women can certainly contribute to making themselves more of a target based on how they dress. Does that mean the woman has done anything wrong? Of course not. Does that mean they should be forced to dress a certain way or not dress another? Absolutely not, but you cannot argue there's no correlation between the two. Saying "dressing a certain way can increase your odds of being a victim" is in no way an attempt to say it's the woman's fault or that she's done anything wrong, it's just a fact.

[fluffhead]

Dangerous situations like having a boyfriend or male friends?

Dangerous situations like getting blackout drunk

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Dangerous situations like having a boyfriend or male friends?

That's definitely not a dangerous situation in the vast majority of cases. But the personal experience of the person who made this statement originally is a good example of situations you should probably avoid.

You wouldn't walk drunk through an area known for muggings while flashing your phone and expensive watch.
You probably shouldn't get drunk with a biker gang and suggest group sex.
You wouldn't deliberately trespass on the land of someone you know is a gun nut who shoots tresspassers on sight.

None of these situations negates the crime carried out, but at the same time you should try to maintain a level of personal safety.

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I don't think anybody is arguing who is responsible for the rape; obviously the male doing the raping. What's being said is that women can certainly contribute to making themselves more of a target based on how they dress. Does that mean the woman has done anything wrong? Of course not. Does that mean they should be forced to dress a certain way or not dress another? Absolutely not, but you cannot argue there's no correlation between the two. Saying "dressing a certain way can increase your odds of being a victim" is in no way an attempt to say it's the woman's fault or that she's done anything wrong, it's just a fact.

Dressing conservatively increases the chance. Not "skimpy".