View Poll Results: Is taking advantage of someone drunk Rape?

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  1. #261
    Quote Originally Posted by Eon Drache View Post
    Yes. However if both a man and woman are drunk it is always the mans fault. Never the woman's fault.
    And this is based on what exactly? Your feeling of self-pity and persecution?

    P.S. Drunk is irrelevant, this only becomes a factor if the victim is so drunk they aren't able to communicate or resist. If the man and the woman were both that drunk there wouldn't be any sex in the first place.
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  2. #262
    At the end of the day I've got two words for you; your responsibility.

    If you get drunk and end up making bad decisions as a result, that's all you baby. It's one thing if you got "spiked" but you don't get the opportunity to have an "undo" because you screwed up. You need to be accountable for your own actions. I can't call rape on someone that had sex with me while I was drunk off my ass because I put myself into that situation to begin with. If I don't think I can control my actions, what I will do, etc... I don't do it or restrain myself. Simple as that.
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  3. #263
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    Casinos get to take advantage of drunk people all the time. In fact, they try to get their "customers" as drunk as possible in order for them to lose as much money as possible.

    That seems to be fine.

  4. #264
    Quote Originally Posted by Kelliak View Post
    At the end of the day I've got two words for you; your responsibility.

    If you get drunk and end up making bad decisions as a result, that's all you baby. It's one thing if you got "spiked" but you don't get the opportunity to have an "undo" because you screwed up. You need to be accountable for your own actions. I can't call rape on someone that had sex with me while I was drunk off my ass because I put myself into that situation to begin with. If I don't think I can control my actions, what I will do, etc... I don't do it or restrain myself. Simple as that.
    That's not even what they're argueing.

    They're argueing any sort of situation where your senses are impaired (slighty drunk) make you unable to give any consent and it thus becomes rape, which is absolutly ridiculous.

    It's almost as if next, we'll be running exams on people just prior to sex to know how their mental state truly is. Any emotional situations clouding your better judgement and responsibility? Unable to consent. Rrrrrape!

  5. #265
    Quote Originally Posted by bewbew View Post
    That's not even what they're argueing.

    They're argueing any sort of situation where your senses are impaired (slighty drunk) make you unable to give any consent and it thus becomes rape, which is absolutly ridiculous.

    It's almost as if next, we'll be running exams on people just prior to sex to know how their mental state truly is. Any emotional situations clouding your better judgement and responsibility? Unable to consent. Rrrrrape!
    Yeah, unless you were drugged/spiked somehow without your consent and can prove as much you really have no grounds to call rape.

    Again, personal accountability is always in play when you're making these choices to get drunk, high, etc. If what results of that wasn't what you wanted because you were too out of your mind to say 'no' or to think better of the situation, that is ultimately, still your fault. Sorry.

    I've got no mercy nor sympathy for anyone on this matter. Get your shit together.
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  6. #266
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquinan View Post
    Legally I dont think so, morally its close.
    If the "victim" is female you're screwed
    Perpetrators can ONLY be male. (look it up in google, gives you a nice pic)
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  7. #267
    Quote Originally Posted by Sydänyö View Post
    Casinos get to take advantage of drunk people all the time. In fact, they try to get their "customers" as drunk as possible in order for them to lose as much money as possible.

    That seems to be fine.

    A lot of marketing is about taking advantage of people's emotional needs. A lot of sales are made in ways to make the buyer guilty into NOT getting the product. Most "Affective Capitalism" is about selling the idea of interpersonal happiness within products that are in no way related to that.

    People who are depressed, anxious, sad, angry, scared, lonely or any sort of other strong emotional pull take decisions that are not the result of good, reasonable judgement. Yet we sell those people houses, cars, fancy watches and books. We tatto their bodies and sign their marriages.

    They still have to live with the consequences of their "impaired judgement".

    But 2 sips of beer? Nope, I'm a rape apologist.

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    See this exactly when people say there is a rape culture. Because apparently nearly half of the people polled think that "taking advantage" of someone who is drunk does not constitute rape. When you are drunk enough to lose your inhibitions you lose you're ability to consent because you've lost your awareness of the situation. Seriously it's fucking disgusting to believe anyone thinks otherwise, and I know history will paint these beliefs as the barbaric drivel they are.

  9. #269
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    Quote Originally Posted by Notshauna View Post
    Seriously it's fucking disgusting
    Really? So all those billions and billions of people who have had sex while drunk were raped?

    I've had sex while drunk. Who the hell are you to claim that I was raped?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelliak View Post
    Yeah, unless you were drugged/spiked somehow without your consent and can prove as much you really have no grounds to call rape.

    Again, personal accountability is always in play when you're making these choices to get drunk, high, etc. If what results of that wasn't what you wanted because you were too out of your mind to say 'no' or to think better of the situation, that is ultimately, still your fault. Sorry.

    I've got no mercy nor sympathy for anyone on this matter. Get your shit together.
    Not at all. It's not even the tiniest part the victims fault. It's entirely the sub-human slime's. It's something you had a role in allowing to happen, but that is NOT fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sydänyö View Post
    Really? So all those billions and billions of people who have had sex while drunk were raped?

    I've had sex while drunk. Who the hell are you to claim that I was raped?
    You've had sex at the point where you have lost "all inhibitions and self-restraint"? If so, then yes you were raped.

  11. #271
    Quote Originally Posted by Notshauna View Post
    See this exactly when people say there is a rape culture. Because apparently nearly half of the people polled think that "taking advantage" of someone who is drunk does not constitute rape. When you are drunk enough to lose your inhibitions you lose you're ability to consent because you've lost your awareness of the situation. Seriously it's fucking disgusting to believe anyone thinks otherwise, and I know history will paint these beliefs as the barbaric drivel they are.
    "There is a rape culture because people disagree with me and believe in personal responsibility. The barbarians! One day, no one will be responsible for anything."

    We're not talking about passed out drunk.

    Most decisions people ever take in life are not logical at all. They are emotional. Emotional decisions are not made in your best, most reasonable judgement.

    Being drunk is just another scenario of having your judgement impaired.

    When I got into debt for really, really desiring a pair of badasss boots, I was buying those against my BETTER judgement. Logically, I certaintly didnt' NEED them - I had plenty of other boots, and I wasn't attending to anything special in the near future. But I fell in love with them (emotions, clouded judgement).

    I still have to pay for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bewbew View Post
    "There is a rape culture because people disagree with me and believe in personal responsibility. The barbarians! One day, no one will be responsible for anything."

    We're not talking about passed out drunk.

    Most decisions people ever take in life are not logical at all. They are emotional. Emotional decisions are not made in your best, most reasonable judgement.

    Being drunk is just another scenario of having your judgement impaired.

    When I got into debt for really, really desiring a pair of badasss boots, I was buying those against my judgement. Logically, I certaintly didnt' NEED them - I had plenty of other boots, and I wasn't attending to anything special in the near future. But I fell in love with them (emotions, clouded judgement).

    I still have to pay for them.
    That's a ridiculous argument, because it's not the question asked in the poll. You're so busy arguing with an illusionary partisan opponent that you've ignored the very question. I'll repeat it.

    "Is it rape to take advantage of someone's loss of all inhibitions and self restraint that they wouldn't have had sex if they was sober"

    That's CLEARLY rape, there is no possible argument against it. It clearly points to a predatory nature and the victim being unable to consent, because they've lost all inhibitions, you could of asked to sacrifice them to the sun and they'd of responded the exact same way. And beyond that just because predatory practice exists, it doesn't make it any more virtuous, predatory practices are immoral by their nature.

  13. #273
    If they are coherent and can still give consent and do give consent it's something that should be legal but is still a shitty thing to do. However: if you regret it the next morning that does not mean it retroactively becomes a rape all of a sudden.
    You drink too much and lose your inhibitions and give consent and now you hate yourself the next day? Stop crying rape, start making smarter choices and quit drinking too much.

  14. #274
    Quote Originally Posted by Notshauna View Post
    That's a ridiculous argument, because it's not the question asked in the poll. You're so busy arguing with an illusionary partisan opponent that you've ignored the very question. I'll repeat it.

    "Is it rape to take advantage of someone's loss of all inhibitions and self restraint that they wouldn't have had sex if they was sober"

    That's CLEARLY rape, there is no possible argument against it. It clearly points to a predatory nature and the victim being unable to consent, because they've lost all inhibitions, you could of asked to sacrifice them to the sun and they'd of responded the exact same way. And beyond that just because predatory practice exists, it doesn't make it any more virtuous, predatory practices are immoral by their nature.
    Ahem.

    "Im not referring to passed out drunk or incoherent drunk. I'm referring to drunk enough to loose all inhibitions all self restraint drunk. the level of drunkenness you will do things you wouldn't do sober "

    Bolded what makes it clear the person is drunk but not falling around and blabering and vomiting on your boots. The person in question just have "impaired judgement" and "will later regret the decisions he made".

    That's the definition of bad judgement.

    Just as with my analogy.

    Let's take it a step further.

    in·hi·bi·tion (ĭn′hə-bĭsh′ən, ĭn′ə-)
    n.
    1. The act of inhibiting or the state of being inhibited.
    2. Something that restrains, blocks, or suppresses.
    3. Psychology Conscious or unconscious restraint of a behavioral process, desire, or impulse.

    So all the alcohol did was take off the barrier and made the person do what THE PERSON ACTUALLY WANTED TO DO.

    And you're saying that a person doing what she actually desired to do is rape.
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  15. #275
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    Quote Originally Posted by Notshauna View Post
    You've had sex at the point where you have lost "all inhibitions and self-restraint"? If so, then yes you were raped.
    Yes, I have, and no, I wasn't. See, that's like your opinion, man. You're not an authority on this issue, neither moral nor legal.

  16. #276
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    Quote Originally Posted by bewbew View Post
    "sexual acts they are unwilling to participate in."

    ?

    How is one willing to participate and not giving consent? Your post is empty disagreement.
    No, force or intimidation is not a requirement.

  17. #277
    Quote Originally Posted by Lilla Blomma View Post
    No, force or intimidation is not a requirement.
    If no force or intimidation is required, what is...forcing you to do something you are unwilling to do?

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    It could be, depending on the context. The way you phrased the question though, specifically with the use of the phrase "taking advantage" I would say yes.

  19. #279
    Quote Originally Posted by Notshauna View Post
    Not at all. It's not even the tiniest part the victims fault. It's entirely the sub-human slime's. It's something you had a role in allowing to happen, but that is NOT fault.

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    You've had sex at the point where you have lost "all inhibitions and self-restraint"? If so, then yes you were raped.
    Actually, you had a role in completely avoiding and preventing the situation from arising in the first place.

    The problem with these cases is the complexity of them and how difficult it is to determine their validity to begin with. It's too much of a "she said he said" type of scenario. It's much easier, at the end of the day, to safeguard yourself. Know your limits. Know your surroundings. Know your company. I'm a male and I RARELY go out alone much less let myself get so lost in my drink that I lose any sense of control/knowing of what's going on around me.

    Take responsibility for yourself. There is a significant difference between what we're discussing here and getting raped out on the street.
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    If that's rape, there are a lot of rape babies out there.

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