Is taking advantage of someone drunk Rape?

[Aori]

Depends on tears, lawyers and the judge.

Personally no, I don't think it is. There are plenty of situations where women are the initiators, so in reality who is to blame? The man who let it happen? or the woman who started it?

I think being intoxicated to the point of no control should be a criminal offense in itself.

[breadisfunny]

what's with all these dumb rape threads lately?

[Deleted]

Im not referring to passed out drunk or incoherent drunk. I'm referring to drunk enough to loose all inhibitions all self restraint drunk. the level of drunkenness you will do things you wouldn't do sober
Is it rape to take advantage of someone's loss of all inhibitions and self restraint that they wouldn't have had sex if they was sober
Is that Rape?

Physically I wouldn't say that could be defined as a rape. Although it is morally questionable to exploit a person in this state.

But legally it is an extreme grey zone and I wouldn't advise someone to exploit a situation like that. Because if next morning this woman you slept with regrets this you are often screwed. In cases like these word stands against word and looking at the situation how often men are treated as guilty until proven innocent, it is in the end only a devil's gamble.

[bloodmoth13]

No, not rape. If you make the decision to lose inhibition, you are consenting to give up consent. take responsibility, if you dont want to have sex with randoms, dont endanger yourself and get that drunk, simple as that.

regretful sex isn't rape and shouldn't be punishable.

[Kretan]

I think it is rape if the person taking advantage is fully aware of the fact that the person is drunk. Yes, it is irresponsible as hell to be that drunk without someone to protect you from yourself, but the person taking advantage is guilty.

A better question imo is if both parties are drunk and one claims rape, what happens then?

[Zebuthecow]

I think it is rape if the person taking advantage is fully aware of the fact that the person is drunk. Yes, it is irresponsible as hell to be that drunk without someone to protect you from yourself, but the person taking advantage is guilty.

A better question imo is if both parties are drunk and one claims rape, what happens then?

Yeah. You are a rapist and the sheer amount of people who think it is okay on this forum proves to me this site is overrun by sickos. If I ever caught any of you trying to hump anyone I know who is too drunk to consent, you would not have an instrument to do it again.

Again- half of you are probably pedophiles just from the obsession you losers have with polls like this.

F this site and I am very much looking forward to spreading the word about this 'community'. I hope everyone of you get brutalized in prison at some point.

Losers.

[Pooglecoborg]

"Taking advantage" of somebody to get sex is just about the definition of rape.

[bewbew]

"Taking advantage" of somebody to get sex is just about the definition of rape.

No, the definition of rape is to subdue a person through the use of force or intimidation into sexual acts they are unwilling to participate in.

Taking advantage of people with impaired senses is...taking advantage of people with impaired senses.

Don't impair your senses.

[Deleted]

No, the definition of rape is to subdue a person through the use of force or intimidation into sexual acts they are unwilling to participate in.

Taking advantage of people with impaired senses is...taking advantage of people with impaired senses.

Don't impair your senses.

No, it's sex without consent.

[bewbew]

No, it's sex without consent.

"sexual acts they are unwilling to participate in."

?

How is one willing to participate and not giving consent? Your post is empty disagreement.

[Mormolyce]

We have this stupid debate all the time. It's honestly just anti-feminists and rape apologists trying to downplay sexual assault.

There is no social epidemic of women getting drunk, regretting it, and accusing men of rape. It's an imagined crisis propounded by people with a nefarious political agenda.

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Taking advantage of people with impaired senses is...taking advantage of people with impaired senses.

Don't impair your senses.

So if I have sex with a woman who's asleep, that's her fault for falling asleep?

[bewbew]

We have this stupid debate all the time. It's honestly just anti-feminists and rape apologists trying to downplay sexual assault.

There is no social epidemic of women getting drunk, regretting it, and accusing men of rape. It's an imagined crisis propounded by people with a nefarious political agenda.

"You disagree with me on a philosophical point of moral ambiguity thus you are a rape apologist."

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So if I have sex with a woman who's asleep, that's her fault for falling asleep?

She's asleep. There is not a conscious "her" to answer for. Drunken people are not OUT of senses, they only have IMPAIRED senses.

If you have sex while YOU are asleep, are you a rapist?

[Deleted]

Do drunk people get away with murder? No?

Then why should drunk people not be responsible for whom they have sex with, or what kind of sex they have with that person?

[Mormolyce]

Yes. However if both a man and woman are drunk it is always the mans fault. Never the woman's fault.

And this is based on what exactly? Your feeling of self-pity and persecution?

P.S. Drunk is irrelevant, this only becomes a factor if the victim is so drunk they aren't able to communicate or resist. If the man and the woman were both that drunk there wouldn't be any sex in the first place.

[Rudol Von Stroheim]

At the end of the day I've got two words for you; your responsibility.

If you get drunk and end up making bad decisions as a result, that's all you baby. It's one thing if you got "spiked" but you don't get the opportunity to have an "undo" because you screwed up. You need to be accountable for your own actions. I can't call rape on someone that had sex with me while I was drunk off my ass because I put myself into that situation to begin with. If I don't think I can control my actions, what I will do, etc... I don't do it or restrain myself. Simple as that.

[Deleted]

Casinos get to take advantage of drunk people all the time. In fact, they try to get their "customers" as drunk as possible in order for them to lose as much money as possible.

That seems to be fine.

[bewbew]

At the end of the day I've got two words for you; your responsibility.

If you get drunk and end up making bad decisions as a result, that's all you baby. It's one thing if you got "spiked" but you don't get the opportunity to have an "undo" because you screwed up. You need to be accountable for your own actions. I can't call rape on someone that had sex with me while I was drunk off my ass because I put myself into that situation to begin with. If I don't think I can control my actions, what I will do, etc... I don't do it or restrain myself. Simple as that.

That's not even what they're argueing.

They're argueing any sort of situation where your senses are impaired (slighty drunk) make you unable to give any consent and it thus becomes rape, which is absolutly ridiculous.

It's almost as if next, we'll be running exams on people just prior to sex to know how their mental state truly is. Any emotional situations clouding your better judgement and responsibility? Unable to consent. Rrrrrape!

[Rudol Von Stroheim]

That's not even what they're argueing.

They're argueing any sort of situation where your senses are impaired (slighty drunk) make you unable to give any consent and it thus becomes rape, which is absolutly ridiculous.

It's almost as if next, we'll be running exams on people just prior to sex to know how their mental state truly is. Any emotional situations clouding your better judgement and responsibility? Unable to consent. Rrrrrape!

Yeah, unless you were drugged/spiked somehow without your consent and can prove as much you really have no grounds to call rape.

Again, personal accountability is always in play when you're making these choices to get drunk, high, etc. If what results of that wasn't what you wanted because you were too out of your mind to say 'no' or to think better of the situation, that is ultimately, still your fault. Sorry.

I've got no mercy nor sympathy for anyone on this matter. Get your shit together.

[Phlegethon]

Legally I dont think so, morally its close.

If the "victim" is female you're screwed
Perpetrators can ONLY be male. (look it up in google, gives you a nice pic)

[bewbew]

Casinos get to take advantage of drunk people all the time. In fact, they try to get their "customers" as drunk as possible in order for them to lose as much money as possible.

That seems to be fine.

A lot of marketing is about taking advantage of people's emotional needs. A lot of sales are made in ways to make the buyer guilty into NOT getting the product. Most "Affective Capitalism" is about selling the idea of interpersonal happiness within products that are in no way related to that.

People who are depressed, anxious, sad, angry, scared, lonely or any sort of other strong emotional pull take decisions that are not the result of good, reasonable judgement. Yet we sell those people houses, cars, fancy watches and books. We tatto their bodies and sign their marriages.

They still have to live with the consequences of their "impaired judgement".

But 2 sips of beer? Nope, I'm a rape apologist.