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  1. #641
    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    not atomically a child molester but greater possibility of being one
    same reason a recovering alcoholic would have a greater chance of a relapse if he is constantly around alcohol
    Well, someone else said that most child preditors are actually not pedophiles to begin with. Been trying to find the study they quote on that.

    Now, going on what you said, how do you not see the problem with persecuting them? You're isolating the problem people from any help and essentially hoping it works itself out and that they never harm anyone. To me, that seems counter productive if your goal truly is to protect the children. You should be helping them seek counseling, not getting the police involved the moment they admit to what they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buck008 View Post
    Well, they very much can be. I just prefer to punish people that have actually committed a crime, not people that might some day.
    Anyone can be. I'll leave it at that until either Dispraise or myself can find that study he was talking about.
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    Why the hell would you wait till after you did this to confirm the mortality rate of such action?

  2. #642
    Quote Originally Posted by Fyve View Post
    Wrong - Children are easily manipulated, and especially when someone in a position of authority tells them to do something. There is a monumental difference between those two arguments, and that's really quite obvious.

    A child could be molested and not really know what's going on, be too scared to come forward for years, or otherwise think that is acceptable behaviour. Allowing pedophiles to work with children is a simple no go.
    I agree with you on principle, but in this situation we're talking about people that have never actually done anything. That makes it extremely hard to legally justify removing the ability to work anywhere.

  3. #643
    Quote Originally Posted by Zantos View Post
    Do you happen to have the study this information is from?
    This one, though I'm afraid I don't have access to the full text.
    The reports of my death were surprisingly well-sourced and accurate.

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    i wonder where quetzl is? he seems to have a particular fondness for this issue. nvm i saw his post.
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  5. #645
    Quote Originally Posted by Lorelol View Post
    Many prominent SJW people are also defending Sarah Nyberg and Lena Dunham, both self admitted pedophiles, so there is that.
    You've been reading Breitbart haven't you? LOL.

    Lena Dunham was 7 when she "molested" her sister, by touching her genitals out of curiosity. Which a LOT of children do.

    I'd never heard of "Nyberg" but a quick google reveals some shoddy claims on the basis of posts on IRC. Hard to find the actual posts in question, what I did read was a post defending the lowering of the age of consent that seemed perfectly reasonable and the sort of thing you see on forums all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    it is not because it is socially unacceptable it is because it is harmful
    Homosexuality was at one timed considered a mental disorder because at the time is was socially unacceptable but harmful to no one
    pedophilia is harmful and why it is socially unacceptable and always should be
    Define "harmful". What makes pedophilia "harmful" and not other paraphilias?

    And to clarify: we're talking about harmful to the pedophile here. Not harmful to the victim if the pedophile becomes a child molester.
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  6. #646
    Quote Originally Posted by Zantos View Post
    Please tell me how its harmful. I want to know how someone who is a pedophile is harmful.

    Hint: They aren't.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post

    Define "harmful". What makes pedophilia "harmful" and not other paraphilias?

    And to clarify: we're talking about harmful to the pedophile here. Not harmful to the victim if the pedophile becomes a child molester.
    because it is a mental disorder and by the very definition of a mental disorder it is harmful it causes a dysfunction to a normal existence

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypermode View Post
    I sincerely wonder how you guys are responding so quickly?

    Has anyone here actually read both posts?

    I came into this thread when there was ~2 pages, read both the full posts that were linked in the OP and then read all the comments up to here.

    In fact, I would argue that the vast majority of people didn't even read the posts that were linked in the OP.

    Just a few things I would like to clear up:

    1. Being a pedophile (just like every other sexual orientation) isn't a disease and as far as I know (and is said in the articles) can't be treated. The most common way of ''treatment'' is to give people libido-reducing drugs (sometimes known as chemical castration) however that doesn't change the sexuality, it only changes the urge. As far as I know the best way to treat it is to talk to a psychologist who can help you with not acting on feelings/urges you might have.

    Another issue that was mentioned in the OP (and in the thread earlier, where it was promptly ignored), is that some states have mandatory reporting laws, where a psychologist has to report a pedophile to the police should he be seeking treatment, which severely reduces the chances of people actually seeking help by psychologists.

    2. I think it is fairly safe to argue that age of consent is a social structure: there are a lot of differing ages around the world (12-18). That being said, social structures often have underlying reasons for their existence. In this case those reasons would be the inability for younger kids to have sex/have children and the emotional imbalance. However even when it comes to both parties being children of the same age, I think having sex at young ages is iffy at best.

    3. Thoughts don't harm anyone, actions do: no matter what depraved things someone can think of doing to a child, it wont hurt any child as long as he doesn't act on them. It is currently unknown how many people don't act on their urges, since society currently isn't very forthcomming towards people who openly admit they are pedophiles, even if they havn't hurt anyone (case in point, the second article).

    4. pleasepleaseplease mind the slippery slope arguments, they are getting really tiresome by some people

    5. In the article, it is argued that most people who abuse children arn't actual pedophiles but rather people who offend because the opportunity presented itself, which I think is a rather strange line of argument that should be discussed more here rather than the drivel some people are spouting
    no most of the people in the thread are just throwing ad hominem and insults at each other and using numerous logical fallacies. this entire thread is a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khalltusk View Post
    Consent.

    But its more complicated. If you like fucking cars as long as its not someone elses property I doubt anyone will arrest you unless its in public. so robots other such objects are fair game.

    Animals, cannot consent so it becomes a crime. Children cannot consent and it is a crime.

    A man and a man having some fun? While straight and cannot understand why they would want to I can understand its not a crime as they consent to it and wish them well.

    Thats my view on it.
    well technically inanimate objects can't consent either....
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  8. #648
    Quote Originally Posted by Dispraise View Post
    This one, though I'm afraid I don't have access to the full text.
    Best I can come up with from that is it talking about porn being linked to pedophilia. I did find this by searching for that paper on google. So it seems there are two major factors. 1) Most victims were harmed by someone they know, love or trust. Aka a family member or a friend. 2) Most are not exclusively attracted to children, and are more often then not married.
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    Why the hell would you wait till after you did this to confirm the mortality rate of such action?

  9. #649
    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    because it is a mental disorder and by the very definition of a mental disorder it is harmful it causes a dysfunction to a normal existence
    It's a mental disorder because it's harmful, and it's harmful because it's a mental disorder?

    Circular logic.
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  10. #650
    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    because it is a mental disorder and by the very definition of a mental disorder it is harmful it causes a dysfunction to a normal existence
    Ok, so answer my question. Why would you persecute these people instead of helping them? Why would you isolate them to the point that they cannot or will not seek any help? You are sitting here, perfectly ok with isolating them and making them feel like trash while you chime "for the children!". Well, if you really want to help ensure these people don't turn from a pedophile into a child predator, Help them.

    As for your other part, it usually doesn't case them to live in a dysfunctional existence. Seeing as how pedophiles are not the typical people who harm children.
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    Why the hell would you wait till after you did this to confirm the mortality rate of such action?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    It's a mental disorder because it's harmful, and it's harmful because it's a mental disorder?

    Circular logic.
    if you haven't noticed this entire thread has gone in a circle at least several different times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Furitrix View Post
    It's perfectly possible to be attracted to something while at the same time strongly disliking the mere idea of acting upon it.
    So let's just play with fire and see what happens.
    Take a break from politics once in awhile, it's good for you.

  13. #653
    Quote Originally Posted by Furitrix View Post
    I don't see the issue. Some people are born with certain sexual preferences, but as long as they can keep themselves in check and not do anything inappropriate there should be no reason to prosecute or punish people, that would be the literal definition and first appropriate usage on this forum of the words: 'thought policing'.

    It's perfectly possible to be attracted to something while at the same time strongly disliking the mere idea of acting upon it.
    Well, you might not see an issue as far as pedophilia is concerned, but aren't you like the bearer of the "MMO-C's Biggest SJW" title?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alassiel View Post
    Well, you might not see an issue as far as pedophilia is concerned, but aren't you like the bearer of the "MMO-C's Biggest SJW" title?
    i thought it was mmo champ's biggest anarchist?
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  15. #655
    Quote Originally Posted by Snes View Post
    So let's just play with fire and see what happens.
    Lets ignore the fire and see what happens isn't a better response.
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    Why the hell would you wait till after you did this to confirm the mortality rate of such action?

  16. #656
    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    You've been reading Breitbart haven't you? LOL.

    Lena Dunham was 7 when she "molested" her sister, by touching her genitals out of curiosity. Which a LOT of children do.

    I'd never heard of "Nyberg" but a quick google reveals some shoddy claims on the basis of posts on IRC. Hard to find the actual posts in question, what I did read was a post defending the lowering of the age of consent that seemed perfectly reasonable and the sort of thing you see on forums all the time.

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    Define "harmful". What makes pedophilia "harmful" and not other paraphilias?
    Uhh, Sarah Nyberg admitted to making those posts.

    And it was more than just "touching her vagina", she "had stuffed six or seven pebbles in there." That is directly from her book. Lena Dunham also claimed she was raped, but turns out that guy who raped her doesn't actually exist and it never happened. But keep defending scum like her. Either she is a blantant bullshit artist or she is a sexual predator, in which case, she doesn't deserve any of the praise or adoration people heap upon her. She is scum, just like the Nyberg person. Don't defend these people, it isn't helping your case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zantos View Post
    Lets ignore the fire and see what happens isn't a better response.
    i'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic.
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  18. #658
    Quote Originally Posted by Zantos View Post
    Best I can come up with from that is it talking about porn being linked to pedophilia.
    The study was on the diagnostic reliability of the consumption of child porn to determine pedophilia, and compared it to molestation. Though, without the full text I can't really say that with any veracity.
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  19. #659
    Quote Originally Posted by Zantos View Post
    Ok, so answer my question. Why would you persecute these people instead of helping them? Why would you isolate them to the point that they cannot or will not seek any help? You are sitting here, perfectly ok with isolating them and making them feel like trash while you chime "for the children!". Well, if you really want to help ensure these people don't turn from a pedophile into a child predator, Help them.

    As for your other part, it usually doesn't case them to live in a dysfunctional existence. Seeing as how pedophiles are not the typical people who harm children.
    as what kind of help suppression therapy? wasn't this deemed harmful to homosexuals and why it isn't allowed in many states

  20. #660
    Quote Originally Posted by breadisfunny View Post
    i'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic.
    I can never tell. So I just normally treat it as if they are not being sarcastic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dispraise View Post
    The study was on the diagnostic reliability of the consumption of child porn to determine pedophilia, and compared it to molestation. Though, without the full text I can't really say that with any veracity.
    Dont worry. I found something and linked it.
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    Why the hell would you wait till after you did this to confirm the mortality rate of such action?

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