The vileness of SJW reaches new heights

[Vyxn]

You consult all of these people but your boner remains. What next?



Correct, that's the definition of dysfunction. However it should be apparent that this can just as easily be socially relative - the reason the individual is stressed about their paraphilia is that it's socially unacceptable and the conflict may even be internalised.

it is not because it is socially unacceptable it is because it is harmful
Homosexuality was at one timed considered a mental disorder because at the time is was socially unacceptable but harmful to no one
pedophilia is harmful and why it is socially unacceptable and always should be

[Dispraise]

pedophilia is harmful and why it is socially unacceptable and always should be

Harm requires a victim. Nobody is harmed when a pedophile doesn't act on their urges.

[breadisfunny]

Protecting children against vile individuals with mental illnesses is not being an internet tough guy.

Try me I don't care. You sick people don't get near children.

while i somewhat agree with you, you need to calm down.

[Zantos]

it is not because it is socially unacceptable it is because it is harmful
Homosexuality was at one timed considered a mental disorder because at the time is was socially unacceptable but harmful to no one
pedophilia is harmful and why it is socially unacceptable and always should be

Please tell me how its harmful. I want to know how someone who is a pedophile is harmful.

Hint: They aren't.

[Vyxn]

Whats the difference other than the fear created from probably being misinformed or thinking that because they are a pedophile that means they are automatically a rapist or will harm the children in some way.

not atomically a child molester but greater possibility of being one
same reason a recovering alcoholic would have a greater chance of a relapse if he is constantly around alcohol

[buck008]

Please tell me how its harmful. I want to know how someone who is a pedophile is harmful.

Hint: They aren't.

Well, they very much can be. I just prefer to punish people that have actually committed a crime, not people that might some day.

[Hyve]

I'm not sure that is a fair conclusion to make either. It would be like claiming straight men should never be allowed to work with women because it might put temptation in their plate.

Wrong - Children are easily manipulated, and especially when someone in a position of authority tells them to do something. There is a monumental difference between those two arguments, and that's really quite obvious.

A child could be molested and not really know what's going on, be too scared to come forward for years, or otherwise think that is acceptable behaviour. Allowing pedophiles to work with children is a simple no go.

[Zantos]

The majority of people who commit child molestation do not have a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children. A study from 2006 found it to be ~35%.

Do you happen to have the study this information is from?

[Hyve]

Well said... but that doesn't make me think pedophiles are any less creepy.

I'd never let my child near a pedophile, even with my stance and understanding of them.

[Zantos]

not atomically a child molester but greater possibility of being one
same reason a recovering alcoholic would have a greater chance of a relapse if he is constantly around alcohol

Well, someone else said that most child preditors are actually not pedophiles to begin with. Been trying to find the study they quote on that.

Now, going on what you said, how do you not see the problem with persecuting them? You're isolating the problem people from any help and essentially hoping it works itself out and that they never harm anyone. To me, that seems counter productive if your goal truly is to protect the children. You should be helping them seek counseling, not getting the police involved the moment they admit to what they are.

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Well, they very much can be. I just prefer to punish people that have actually committed a crime, not people that might some day.

Anyone can be. I'll leave it at that until either Dispraise or myself can find that study he was talking about.

[buck008]

Wrong - Children are easily manipulated, and especially when someone in a position of authority tells them to do something. There is a monumental difference between those two arguments, and that's really quite obvious.

A child could be molested and not really know what's going on, be too scared to come forward for years, or otherwise think that is acceptable behaviour. Allowing pedophiles to work with children is a simple no go.

I agree with you on principle, but in this situation we're talking about people that have never actually done anything. That makes it extremely hard to legally justify removing the ability to work anywhere.

[Dispraise]

Do you happen to have the study this information is from?

This one, though I'm afraid I don't have access to the full text.

[breadisfunny]

i wonder where quetzl is? he seems to have a particular fondness for this issue. nvm i saw his post.

[Mormolyce]

Many prominent SJW people are also defending Sarah Nyberg and Lena Dunham, both self admitted pedophiles, so there is that.

You've been reading Breitbart haven't you? LOL.

Lena Dunham was 7 when she "molested" her sister, by touching her genitals out of curiosity. Which a LOT of children do.

I'd never heard of "Nyberg" but a quick google reveals some shoddy claims on the basis of posts on IRC. Hard to find the actual posts in question, what I did read was a post defending the lowering of the age of consent that seemed perfectly reasonable and the sort of thing you see on forums all the time.

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it is not because it is socially unacceptable it is because it is harmful
Homosexuality was at one timed considered a mental disorder because at the time is was socially unacceptable but harmful to no one
pedophilia is harmful and why it is socially unacceptable and always should be

Define "harmful". What makes pedophilia "harmful" and not other paraphilias?

And to clarify: we're talking about harmful to the pedophile here. Not harmful to the victim if the pedophile becomes a child molester.

[Vyxn]

Please tell me how its harmful. I want to know how someone who is a pedophile is harmful.

Hint: They aren't.

Define "harmful". What makes pedophilia "harmful" and not other paraphilias?

And to clarify: we're talking about harmful to the pedophile here. Not harmful to the victim if the pedophile becomes a child molester.

because it is a mental disorder and by the very definition of a mental disorder it is harmful it causes a dysfunction to a normal existence

[breadisfunny]

I sincerely wonder how you guys are responding so quickly?

Has anyone here actually read both posts?

I came into this thread when there was ~2 pages, read both the full posts that were linked in the OP and then read all the comments up to here.

In fact, I would argue that the vast majority of people didn't even read the posts that were linked in the OP.

Just a few things I would like to clear up:

1. Being a pedophile (just like every other sexual orientation) isn't a disease and as far as I know (and is said in the articles) can't be treated. The most common way of ''treatment'' is to give people libido-reducing drugs (sometimes known as chemical castration) however that doesn't change the sexuality, it only changes the urge. As far as I know the best way to treat it is to talk to a psychologist who can help you with not acting on feelings/urges you might have.

Another issue that was mentioned in the OP (and in the thread earlier, where it was promptly ignored), is that some states have mandatory reporting laws, where a psychologist has to report a pedophile to the police should he be seeking treatment, which severely reduces the chances of people actually seeking help by psychologists.

2. I think it is fairly safe to argue that age of consent is a social structure: there are a lot of differing ages around the world (12-18). That being said, social structures often have underlying reasons for their existence. In this case those reasons would be the inability for younger kids to have sex/have children and the emotional imbalance. However even when it comes to both parties being children of the same age, I think having sex at young ages is iffy at best.

3. Thoughts don't harm anyone, actions do: no matter what depraved things someone can think of doing to a child, it wont hurt any child as long as he doesn't act on them. It is currently unknown how many people don't act on their urges, since society currently isn't very forthcomming towards people who openly admit they are pedophiles, even if they havn't hurt anyone (case in point, the second article).

4. pleasepleaseplease mind the slippery slope arguments, they are getting really tiresome by some people

5. In the article, it is argued that most people who abuse children arn't actual pedophiles but rather people who offend because the opportunity presented itself, which I think is a rather strange line of argument that should be discussed more here rather than the drivel some people are spouting

no most of the people in the thread are just throwing ad hominem and insults at each other and using numerous logical fallacies. this entire thread is a joke.

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Consent.

But its more complicated. If you like fucking cars as long as its not someone elses property I doubt anyone will arrest you unless its in public. so robots other such objects are fair game.

Animals, cannot consent so it becomes a crime. Children cannot consent and it is a crime.

A man and a man having some fun? While straight and cannot understand why they would want to I can understand its not a crime as they consent to it and wish them well.

Thats my view on it.

well technically inanimate objects can't consent either....

[Zantos]

This one, though I'm afraid I don't have access to the full text.

Best I can come up with from that is it talking about porn being linked to pedophilia. I did find this by searching for that paper on google. So it seems there are two major factors. 1) Most victims were harmed by someone they know, love or trust. Aka a family member or a friend. 2) Most are not exclusively attracted to children, and are more often then not married.

[Mormolyce]

because it is a mental disorder and by the very definition of a mental disorder it is harmful it causes a dysfunction to a normal existence

It's a mental disorder because it's harmful, and it's harmful because it's a mental disorder?

Circular logic.

[Zantos]

because it is a mental disorder and by the very definition of a mental disorder it is harmful it causes a dysfunction to a normal existence

Ok, so answer my question. Why would you persecute these people instead of helping them? Why would you isolate them to the point that they cannot or will not seek any help? You are sitting here, perfectly ok with isolating them and making them feel like trash while you chime "for the children!". Well, if you really want to help ensure these people don't turn from a pedophile into a child predator, Help them.

As for your other part, it usually doesn't case them to live in a dysfunctional existence. Seeing as how pedophiles are not the typical people who harm children.

[breadisfunny]

It's a mental disorder because it's harmful, and it's harmful because it's a mental disorder?

Circular logic.

if you haven't noticed this entire thread has gone in a circle at least several different times.