Russia sends air-defence systems to back Syria campaign

[Ulmita]

Your view on the legality of the US operation has no bearing on the fact Russia sent air superiority fighters to Syria before the US sent air superiority fighters to Turkey.

Dude, this is a bs move. It's quite obvious Obama administration has no plan w/e in Syria. They are completely lost resulting on spasmodic moves that don't really make sense what so ever. Arm terrorists - stop arming them - start again - stop etc. Send planes, don't send planes, send planes etc

Moves like this is just to try and save face for the allies? Who knows?

[Cybran]

It's quite obvious Obama administration has no plan w/e in Syria.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1217770

The US Department of Defence has said that it’s no longer conducting counter-terrorism operations against the Taliban in Afghanistan because it views the group as an important partner in its efforts for restoring peace in the war-ravaged country.

“What we’re not doing (is) counter-terrorism operations against the Taliban,” Pentagon spokesman Navy Captain Jeff Davis told a Wednesday evening news briefing in Washington.

“We actually view the Taliban as being an important partner in a peaceful Afghan-led reconciliation process. We are not actively targeting the Taliban,” he added.

The entire American establishment is nothing more than a joke at this point.

[Ausr]

Keep those whatabouts coming, Team Putin. It's always amusing to watch you fall back to 'but...but.. the US" when you can't defend Russia's actions.

[Ulmita]

Keep those whatabouts coming, Team Putin. It's always amusing to watch you fall back to 'but...but.. the US" when you can't defend Russia's actions.

Defend Russia's actions? lol.
Russia is doing atm what USA failed to do, that is getting rid of terrorists, protect Christians, etc.

[Raldazzar]

Ahh America.. the most vocal country in the world when it comes to nukes..

'No.. X shouldn't have access to nukes... '

Why not America?

'They might do what we did with them...'

The only country in history to USE nukes want to be the judge on who can have them, all the while increasing their own stockpile of them..

the amount of Anti Russian rhetoric on these boards is ridiculous.

[oxymoronic]

Russia bombing civvies on purpose? Not much of a surprise

you honestly think usa bombs innocent civilians on purpose? would you declare this in front of your family and all your known associates? or just some crazy shit you spew behind the computer?

no need for a reply, cause i honestly would not believe it, but you think on that while you attempt to troll more from the comfort of your home where its all safe and sound.

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Ahh America.. the most vocal country in the world when it comes to nukes..

'No.. X shouldn't have access to nukes... '

Why not America?

'They might do what we did with them...'

The only country in history to USE nukes want to be the judge on who can have them, all the while increasing their own stockpile of them..

the amount of Anti Russian rhetoric on these boards is ridiculous.

yep, we came up with it, used it on another and want to be the boss of it. got a problem? have your government speak on it, do something. or sit back and cry on mmoc.

[ParanoiD84]

Russia bombing civvies on purpose? Not much of a surprise

Daesh and other groups use human shields alot, like here they keep civilians in steel cages, so if someone would bomb them they hit civilians to witch they can use as their shitty propaganda war.

[Rukh]

So russians, why do you love Al-Assad so much? Is it his religiousity? His autocratic nature that you find so endearing? Maybe his murder of innocents?

[oxymoronic]

Dude, this is a bs move. It's quite obvious Obama administration has no plan w/e in Syria. They are completely lost resulting on spasmodic moves that don't really make sense what so ever. Arm terrorists - stop arming them - start again - stop etc. Send planes, don't send planes, send planes etc

Moves like this is just to try and save face for the allies? Who knows?

or maybe their plan is drag the situation out for as long as they can. its a win win for USA. russia is busy playing cowboy with indians and less microscopes on us (USA). i get why you're mad though, your country is in shambles.

[Cybran]

So russians, why do you love Al-Assad so much? Is it his religiousity? His autocratic nature that you find so endearing? Maybe his murder of innocents?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...or-by-the-u-s/

After the United States helped chase out the Taliban government in Afghanistan in 2001, it came across a legacy of its earlier intervention in the region. As The Washington Post reported in 2002, the United States had spent millions of dollars beginning in the 1980s to produce and disseminate anti-Soviet textbooks for Afghan schoolchildren. The books encouraged a jihadist outlook, which was useful propaganda at the time for a Washington driven by the imperatives of the Cold War.

"The primers, which were filled with talk of jihad and featured drawings of guns, bullets, soldiers and mines, have served since then as the Afghan school system's core curriculum," The Post reported. "Even the Taliban used the American-produced books, though the radical movement scratched out human faces in keeping with its strict fundamentalist code."

Printed both in Pashto and Dari, Afghanistan's two major languages, books such as "The Alphabet for Jihad Literacy" were produced under the auspices of the U.S. Agency for International Development by the University of Nebraska at Omaha and smuggled into Afghanistan through networks built by the CIA and Pakistan's military intelligence agency, the ISI.

Why does America love Jihadists so much? Why do you keep arming ISIS? Does ISIS remind you of the good old days of Slavery and religious zealotism?

[Revi]

So russians, why do you love Al-Assad so much? Is it his religiousity? His autocratic nature that you find so endearing? Maybe his murder of innocents?

Assad in power was a bad situation, but what's going on now is a LOT worse. The west meddling and supporting terrorist groups against Assad has just made it a lot worse. At least Russia knows who they support instead of constantly changing their mind, and they aren't messing around in reestablishing control.

Having 1 of these groups in control is a hell of a lot better than having them all fight for it. They're all shit, and throwing the country into a war of factions is not going to make them less shit, but it is going to get a lot more people killed.

Even if Assad lost, what then? Al-Nusra get in power and establish that Islamic state they want and start enforcing sharia law? That's not an improvement.

[Charge me Doctor]

Keep those whatabouts coming, Team Putin. It's always amusing to watch you fall back to 'but...but.. the US" when you can't defend Russia's actions.

r u mad bro?
Speaking of "but but"s, isn't the only shaky ground of US to stand on to justify their attack on Syria is "but asad is bloody murderer!"? It's really hard to keep track of whose buts came first

[Rukh]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...or-by-the-u-s/


Why does America love Jihadists so much? Why do you keep arming ISIS? Does ISIS remind you of the good old days of Slavery and religious zealotism?

This is what is defined as "whataboutism". I'm curious though, why are you such a dictator fan?

[Ulmita]

This is what is defined as "whataboutism". I'm curious though, why are you such a dictator fan?

Last time i checked dictators don't hold elections. I am not saying Assad is perfect but he is the best option atm.
At least he protected Christians and didn't beheaded them like the "moderate" terrorists are doing.

[Deleted]

So russians, why do you love Al-Assad so much? Is it his religiousity? His autocratic nature that you find so endearing? Maybe his murder of innocents?

Do you actually know what happened in Libya after the removal of gheddafi? You don't need to be Russian to know that.
Do you want Syria to turn into another Libya?
Why?

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Assad in power was a bad situation, but what's going on now is a LOT worse. The west meddling and supporting terrorist groups against Assad has just made it a lot worse. At least Russia knows who they support instead of constantly changing their mind, and they aren't messing around in reestablishing control.

Having 1 of these groups in control is a hell of a lot better than having them all fight for it. They're all shit, and throwing the country into a war of factions is not going to make them less shit, but it is going to get a lot more people killed.

Even if Assad lost, what then? Al-Nusra get in power and establish that Islamic state they want and start enforcing sharia law? That's not an improvement.

Actually, the fsa ON PAPER wasn't that bad. Problem is the fsa cannot possibly hold their ground against the other groups of Islamists which are way better armed and more organised.
Basically dropping Assad for fsa sounds good but it would mean sending troops there to support them in the following civil war.

So, context taken into consideration, they're somewhat useless if not harmful.

[Cybran]

This is what is defined as "whataboutism". I'm curious though, why are you such a dictator fan?

How is this whataboutism? The war in Syria is the direct result of USA, Turkey and Saudi Arabia pouring billions in money and weapons to bring down Assad. 300 000 deaths later you have the face to ask why someone doesn't agree with using Islamists for violent regime change.


The only way to end the war in Syria and the middle east is to hang the USA foreign policy establishment and especially Hilary.

[Rukh]

How is this whataboutism? The war in Syria is the direct result of USA, Turkey and Saudi Arabia pouring billions in money and weapons to bring down Assad. 300 000 deaths later you have the face to ask why someone doesn't agree with using Islamists for violent regime change.


The only way to end the war in Syria and the middle east is to hang the USA foreign policy establishment.

More whataboutism. I guess you can't answer.

[Cybran]

More whataboutism. I guess you can't answer.

I don't have to answer. The biggest state sponsor of terrorism on the planet is located in Washington. A tactical nuclear strike on it is the best hope for humanity.

[Deleted]

Well, lets be honest here... Maybe it's better overall if Assad was indeed kept in the saddle, if only to keep some stability in the country and region.

[Revi]

Actually, the fsa ON PAPER wasn't that bad. Problem is the fsa cannot possibly hold their ground against the other groups of Islamists which are way better armed and more organised.
Basically dropping Assad for fsa sounds good but it would mean sending troops there to support them in the following civil war.

So, context taken into consideration, they're somewhat useless if not harmful.

"Not that bad" is very relative here. Car bombing hospitals, using child soldiers, executing civilians and prisoners.

n 2013 U.S. "senior military officials" speaking on condition of anonymity indicated that the Pentagon estimates that "extreme Islamist groups" constitute “more than 50 percent” of the Free Syrian Army with the percentage "growing by the day" and NBC added that the FSA "is an army in name only. It is made up of hundreds of small units, some secular, some religious – whether mainstream or radical. Others are family gangs, or simply criminals."[227] Commentators have suggested that "few media outlets are willing to say that out loud, but..there is no Free Syrian Army. It's an umbrella for providing Western aid to a front group run by the Muslim Brotherhood."[228]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_S..._of_war_crimes

The same year the US promised $123 million to the group to support them.

It's hard to say what's true, but it's hard to understand why they would be the ones to support.