Arms Legion Discussion

[thefatty01]

Everyday I log in and think, "this is the day I'm going to get a legendary." It still hasn't happened, but I'm staying positive.

[Deleted]

Everyday I log in and think, "this is the day I'm going to get a legendary." It still hasn't happened, but I'm staying positive.

Yeh but you're missing the bit that says it needs to be gloves or execute ring

[Baracuda]

Can anyone here tell me stat weights for Arms Warrior? You know SEP or w/e it's called. Mastery being best doesn't really say a lot.

[thefatty01]

Yeh but you're missing the bit that says it needs to be gloves or execute ring

I can only hope for so much. The one small brightside is that if I do end up getting the universal ones, then I can just go prot and the ilvl will still help for PvP gains. DON'T RUIN MY HOPE!

[ReD-EyeD]

Can anyone here tell me stat weights for Arms Warrior? You know SEP or w/e it's called. Mastery being best doesn't really say a lot.

What you expect to hear? You need to sim your own character to know exact stat values.

In general Mastery >= Str > Haste = Versatility > Crit
Mastery = 2x Crit
Mastery = 1.3-1.4 Haste/Vers

Numbers can change depending on how much you currently have or how close you're to breakpoints (like 20% haste).

[Baracuda]

What you expect to hear? You need to sim your own character to know exact stat values.

In general Mastery >= Str > Haste = Versatility > Crit
Mastery = 2x Crit
Mastery = 1.3-1.4 Haste/Vers

Numbers can change depending on how much you currently have or how close you're to breakpoints (like 20% haste).

Something like this Thanks

[soupdude]

at what point doing rotation are you guys using slam? between tactician resets when you have a ton of extra rage? mainly using as filler to reset tactician or reduce BC cd.

thanks

[ReD-EyeD]

at what point doing rotation are you guys using slam? between tactician resets when you have a ton of extra rage? am i wasting my time even using slam at all?

thanks

How to use Slam:
1) Spam during Battle Cry if neither CS or MS is up (and >20% hp ofc)
2) You have three Focused Rage stacks and enough rage for MS right after.
3) You're about to be rage capped. Generally its okay to use it with more than a half bar.

[vsb]

I got the neck last night and it literally physically hurt. Might uninstall.

I got the neck and I actually like it. Arms warrior have only one personal cooldown with 3-minute timer. Having 15% hp, IMO, is life saver in so many situations. Dead DPS does 0 dps. I would prefer hands or ring, but necklace is very good too. It has a lot of mastery too. Don't be so disappointed. I'm sure that every legendary will drop soon enough for every active player, so we will have something like another talent tree.

[Deleted]

Do people always wait till CS debuff falls of before reusing it or?

[ReD-EyeD]

Do people always wait till CS debuff falls of before reusing it or?

No, CS hit also got buffed by CS debuff, but not at the first time if no debuff on the target. The thing you need to watch for is Shattered Defense + Precise Strikes to not get wasted, not the CS itself.

[Teaon]

shattared defense is one of the key problems that arms is suffering, it has a huge senergy with FR, and forcing people to CS while you just CSED 2 secs ago


it needs a revamp, something like, "increase CS effect by 20%"

[ReD-EyeD]

shattared defensie is one of the key problems that arms is suffering, it has a huge senergy with FR, and forcing people to CS while you just CSED 2 secs ago


it needs a revamp, something like, "increase CS effect by 20%"

Arms have so many problems that I don't even know where to start.

[CptEgo]

Is anyone using Overpower? I've always loved it. But I don't want to limit myself by using it :-S

[Sorshen]

shattared defense is one of the key problems that arms is suffering, it has a huge senergy with FR, and forcing people to CS while you just CSED 2 secs ago


it needs a revamp, something like, "increase CS effect by 20%"

That's promoting mastery even more. Nerf mastery to shit. Move that damage to the abilities. Dealing 120% increased damage in CS windows is awful. Make crit and haste great again, they make the flow of the spec and rage gen feel great, unlike mastery.
Shattered Defenses can be the old CS, ignore armor.

[Teaon]

That's promoting mastery even more. Nerf mastery to shit. Move that damage to the abilities.

we will always be CS dependat class, nerfing it or not, you will ALWAYS be fishing for cs

[thefatty01]

That's promoting mastery even more. Nerf mastery to shit. Move that damage to the abilities.

I doubt it'll have any impact on mastery. It'll definitely decrease the reliance on RNG, but increase the reliance on CS debuff. I'm perfectly fine with that.

[Jalopy]

Arms have so many problems that I don't even know where to start.

Both fury and arms are riddled with issues.

Enrage is too short.
No way to 'force' enrage on a dime (rampage doesn't count)
Have to spec into AOE to even compete with most other classes, and in return I lose insane amounts of single target.
+30% damage taken when enraged.
MC/IFTK are useless.
Arms is entirely at the mercy of tactician RNG.

Arms only has viability in single target unless you have the legendary gloves which make not taking dauntless fluid. I couldn't play SS on M Ursoc, I wouldn't even slam outside of BC and will still rage starve myself. They need to add 1-2 more abilities and drop this "all rage from AAs" design, it's trash. Not to mention even if I use every cooldown w/warbreaker and bladestorm I still get completely outclasses by classes like fire mages or outlaw or WWs, who will then also beat or eventually compete with me on boss damage. Arms has no place in a raid right now if it wasn't for rallying cry.

I envy classes like enhancement right now with a fairly deep priority based on maintaining buffs and short cooldowns. Warriors have been fucked over since WOD beta.

[Tyrion Moonblade]

Mastery is fine, FR is now fine, the rest of the builds need buffs. Not more nerfs.

Mortal Combo should buff the damage of mortal strike as well. IFTK should also buff execute to synergize better. Buff to balance. Blizzard's already demonstrated they can't nerf small or tune gently.

[Deleted]

Hi,

I need a bit of help with my Arms. Currently I have 851ilvl with 884ilvl weapon, 12% crit strike, 12% haste and 78% mastery. With these stats I am struggling to get more than 220k~ dps on dummies.

My rotation is:
Opener:
charge -> FR midair -> FR -> CS -> BC macro (with all cds) + FR+MS

After that CS+ 3xFR + MS

I have noticed that often I have to waill full 30seconds before i can use next CS, sometimes 2 times in a row.

Any idea how i can improve? :/