1. #4481
    Honestly, I think lack of mastery hurts you a lot. I am 944 ilvl, don't wear tier set at all (neither T20 nor T21) but I have 200% mastery and 33% crit and always average 1.4M+ damage (more on better pulls). With tier that would probably be even better. Try investing in some mastery, you have soooo much haste.

  2. #4482
    Quote Originally Posted by elfporn View Post
    crit is much more valuable than mastery in antorus, iirc it was crit>mastery>vers>agi>haste last i checked.
    last time i simmed (2 days ago) mastery is still ahead of crit

  3. #4483
    Quote Originally Posted by omeomorfismo View Post
    last time i simmed (2 days ago) mastery is still ahead of crit
    I forgot to clarify that im not using shoulders. With shoulders, mastery still overtakes crit, afaik.

  4. #4484
    Quote Originally Posted by elfporn View Post
    I forgot to clarify that im not using shoulders. With shoulders, mastery still overtakes crit, afaik.
    me too. i always run bracer+boots

  5. #4485
    Quote Originally Posted by omeomorfismo View Post
    me too. i always run bracer+boots
    4p/2p too? I may have to run things through again.

  6. #4486
    Quote Originally Posted by elfporn View Post
    4p/2p too? I may have to run things through again.
    yep, maybe is because i used normal set to sim, but i dont think

  7. #4487
    Quote Originally Posted by omeomorfismo View Post
    yep, maybe is because i used normal set to sim, but i dont think
    Youre right, mastery is just ahead for me with my current setup. Last time i simmed it i had a lot more mastery and less crit, it was reversed by a fair amount. I stand slightly corrected. Also the sims may have still had the 2p as a 60% proc last time too.

  8. #4488
    Returned to wow less than a month ago after, and since TBC i always loved assassination, but holy shit this spec is so boring right now, you have like 3 skills in the rotation (besides longer cooldowns).

  9. #4489
    Quote Originally Posted by Kimd View Post
    Returned to wow less than a month ago after, and since TBC i always loved assassination, but holy shit this spec is so boring right now, you have like 3 skills in the rotation (besides longer cooldowns).
    It's more complicated than it's ever been. You're missing the nuances if you've pared it down to 3 buttons plus cooldowns.

  10. #4490
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    Quote Originally Posted by elfporn View Post
    It's more complicated than it's ever been. You're missing the nuances if you've pared it down to 3 buttons plus cooldowns.
    how is it more complicated nothing in the specc makes it complicated...

  11. #4491
    Quote Originally Posted by Iettlopp View Post
    how is it more complicated nothing in the specc makes it complicated...
    Assination is more complicated than it has ever been relative to how it was in previous expansions. The spec isn't complicated to play. Just more complicated than it used to be.

  12. #4492
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    Quote Originally Posted by elfporn View Post
    Assination is more complicated than it has ever been relative to how it was in previous expansions. The spec isn't complicated to play. Just more complicated than it used to be.
    ah my bad i missunderstood.

  13. #4493
    Pushing this thread back up where it belongs. Assassination questions and discussion should be posted in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elfporn View Post
    Pushing this thread back up where it belongs. Assassination questions and discussion should be posted in this thread.
    Where did you find this lol? I searched the past 5 pages AND used the search feature and couldn't find it lol

    Topic:

    Why does armory show assass mastery way lower than what it is on live? If I have 170% mastery on live, armory says 158%. If I have 187% mastery on live, armory says like 164%. makes no sense

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  15. #4495
    Quote Originally Posted by elfporn View Post
    It's more complicated than it's ever been. You're missing the nuances if you've pared it down to 3 buttons plus cooldowns.
    Lol. Mut is kiddie play compared to wotlk, which required actively monitoring two debuffs and SnD then pooling and doing an envenom spam window while watching deadly poison stacks. It wasn't rocket science, but if you think assassination today is more complicated than that you cray cray.

  16. #4496
    Quote Originally Posted by Zensunni View Post
    Lol. Mut is kiddie play compared to wotlk, which required actively monitoring two debuffs and SnD then pooling and doing an envenom spam window while watching deadly poison stacks. It wasn't rocket science, but if you think assassination today is more complicated than that you cray cray.
    Wait, nowadays i have more debuffs and more active skills, only thing missing is poison stacks.
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  17. #4497
    There is more min/max nowadays in any spec, not that its more complicated (unless you played feral in mop/wod)

  18. #4498
    Quote Originally Posted by Zensunni View Post
    Lol. Mut is kiddie play compared to wotlk, which required actively monitoring two debuffs and SnD then pooling and doing an envenom spam window while watching deadly poison stacks. It wasn't rocket science, but if you think assassination today is more complicated than that you cray cray.
    That's childs play.

    Today, i monitor 2 bleeds, 3 applied buffs less than 10 seconds long. 3 cooldowns, 2 of which are actively reduced based on energy/cp usage, and are optimal when synced with the third. 1 major envenom burst window with TB. And 2 major buffs that randomly proc (not pb). I might be forgetting something.

    Yes, playing an assassination rogue is more complicated than ever before.

  19. #4499
    Quote Originally Posted by elfporn View Post
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  20. #4500
    When it comes to spamming Envenom coming out of stealth ( with Mantle ) is it worth throwing in a FoK to get 5cp Envenoms? Or just pump out 4cp's?

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