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    So what happens to the BiS list now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    strange that they left some very powerful old 4pc set ups as they were....
    I think ours was the most powerful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    40% nerf. to our old 4pc.

    Rip.

    No adjustments to compensate
    I won't be surprised if 4t20 + 2t21 will still be superior to 2t20+4t21 even after this nerf. 4T21 is just too meh for ST.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vorchun View Post
    I won't be surprised if 4t20 + 2t21 will still be superior to 2t20+4t21 even after this nerf. 4T21 is just too meh for ST.
    Well according https://www.herodamage.com/druid/com...-druid-balance the difference in 4t20+2t21 vs 2t20+4t21 is around 80k dps but those sims are done with optimal talent usage. So most likely they will end up being worse since the differencies in those sets get smaller the higher ilvl you have. Compare the t21 heroic sims to mythic sims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    40% nerf. to our old 4pc.

    Rip.

    No adjustments to compensate
    Of course not. They want us to stop using 4t20, not buff us.

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    Not like balance is the only spec stuck with a totally trash tier set. Demonhunter is even worse and DH isn't even performing anywhere close to as well as balance druids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vorchun View Post
    I won't be surprised if 4t20 + 2t21 will still be superior to 2t20+4t21 even after this nerf. 4T21 is just too meh for ST.
    sims are already done the 4pc 21 comes out ahead, not by much though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilija View Post
    I think ours was the most powerful.
    no but close.

    it turns out to be about a 4.4% ST nerf according to the sims in discord pins

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    sims are already done the 4pc 21 comes out ahead, not by much though.
    Just one important note here is that sims were with MYTHIC of both sets. If you have mostly heroic ToS, you can safely replace it with mostly heroic ABT. Don't replace Mythic WF/TF ToS with Normal, non-WF/TF ABT for example (obs for ST only). If you're only going 1 difficulty down or have various WF/TF pieces, it'd probs be wise to sim yourself.
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    I guess everyone should just sim what they have available from T20 with T21 items you are most likely going to get. Some ilvl difference can change the parts you will should be using. For example I have 915 cape, 945 shoulders and 935 legs and cape+shoulders are more less equal to cape+legs (930 cape would make it around 0.4% better)

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    Does the T21 buff dot duration extend itself? Or do you get penalized for casting Starsurge/Starfall sequentially?

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    Is it worth dotting the second dog with the ST build?

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    Hey guys,
    I've started playing my Boomy recently and I'm still kind off confused about it's rotation.
    I've read a lot of guides and i'm still confused and I feel like a complete idiot.
    Let me try to explain:
    1) Should I pool Starsurge so I can chain-cast 2/3 at once or should I spend AP whenever I have enough for a Starsurge?
    2) Should I prioritize Starsurge over empowerments?
    3) What's the deal with Empowered Lunar Strike? Should I be using it every time to dump the empowerments or just use 1 to avoid exceeding the 3 charges and proceed with Empowered Solar Wrath spam?

    Would really help me out guys, Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razorice View Post
    1) Should I pool Starsurge so I can chain-cast 2/3 at once or should I spend AP whenever I have enough for a Starsurge?
    The former if using 4P T20, otherwise it doesn't really matter. Depends on how immediately you need that SS. For example:
    - Is there a priority add/reason to do as much damage immdiately? Kin'garoth adds for example, you should definitely throw off a SS when you get 40 AsP because of the damage taken debuff they have when they spawn.
    - If ^ hasn't spawned yet, then hold some AsP for when they do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Razorice View Post
    2) Should I prioritize Starsurge over empowerments?
    If you get a stupidly lucky amount of chain-procs from the bracer legendary (Oneth's Intuition) and you have capped AsP and Empowerments? Not wasting AsP is more important, so yes, you can cast a Starsurge. Also just a reminder that Starfall doesn't give Solar/Lunar emps so it's always safe to cast that if in a 2+ target scenario.

    If you're not using the bracer leggo (OI), this situation should never arise. You have 2 resources (AsP and Empowerments) and can pool/spend them as necessary, just make sure neither one caps (which again, unless you get really lucky with OI, they shouldn't unless you're doing the rotation wrong).

    Quote Originally Posted by Razorice View Post
    3) What's the deal with Empowered Lunar Strike? Should I be using it every time to dump the empowerments or just use 1 to avoid exceeding the 3 charges and proceed with Empowered Solar Wrath spam?
    No, you should be dumping those as well. I personally recommend weaving SW > LS > SW > LS when you have a ton of empowerments to avoid capping Lunar Emps. If it's during Inc/CA and you have a ton of emps and AsP, your rotation should roughly be SS > SW > LS > SS > SW > LS > SS, etc.

    You don't have to weave, but if you get used to it, it's helpful for not capping emps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Polarthief View Post
    The former if using 4P T20, otherwise it doesn't really matter. Depends on how immediately you need that SS. For example:
    - Is there a priority add/reason to do as much damage immdiately? Kin'garoth adds for example, you should definitely throw off a SS when you get 40 AsP because of the damage taken debuff they have when they spawn.
    - If ^ hasn't spawned yet, then hold some AsP for when they do.



    If you get a stupidly lucky amount of chain-procs from the bracer legendary (Oneth's Intuition) and you have capped AsP and Empowerments? Not wasting AsP is more important, so yes, you can cast a Starsurge. Also just a reminder that Starfall doesn't give Solar/Lunar emps so it's always safe to cast that if in a 2+ target scenario.

    If you're not using the bracer leggo (OI), this situation should never arise. You have 2 resources (AsP and Empowerments) and can pool/spend them as necessary, just make sure neither one caps (which again, unless you get really lucky with OI, they shouldn't unless you're doing the rotation wrong).



    No, you should be dumping those as well. I personally recommend weaving SW > LS > SW > LS when you have a ton of empowerments to avoid capping Lunar Emps. If it's during Inc/CA and you have a ton of emps and AsP, your rotation should roughly be SS > SW > LS > SS > SW > LS > SS, etc.

    You don't have to weave, but if you get used to it, it's helpful for not capping emps.
    Thank you VERY MUCH! Much clearer now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myztikrice View Post
    Is it worth dotting the second dog with the ST build?
    yes because you have specced shooting stars due to it being a 2t fight.
    even if you stayed bota for whatever reason it will be worth it

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    I recently made the switch to druid. I'm fairly comfortable with single target. I suck at AoE fights though so I'm obviously doing something wrong. From what I've read so far it's not that beneficial to stack starfall?

    I think my biggest mistake is that I stack starfall when I have excess AsP. Rather focus on only keeping the Stellar empowerment buff up and use AP for starsurges (if you have excess AsP) to get empowered lunarstrikes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kluian05 View Post
    Does the T21 buff dot duration extend itself? Or do you get penalized for casting Starsurge/Starfall sequentially?


    The buff maxes at 6 seconds, so chain casting SS/SF will waste some up time of the buff.

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    Depends on how many targets there are. 3+, just dump everything in Starfalls, but make sure you always have at least one up.

    Also make sure everything is dotted up.


    And be happy you're not me who just pulled out a +25 TF Vitality Resonator from your chest, whose only value is 53g. *grumble* Sometimes it feels as if the game purposely gives you the most useless item available at absurd levels...

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    And be happy you're not me who just pulled out a +25 TF Vitality Resonator from your chest, whose only value is 53g. *grumble* Sometimes it feels as if the game purposely gives you the most useless item available at absurd levels...
    Got nice 960 Hastery legs from the chest this week.

    Fucking useless tosh >_>

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    Oh well, at least i got a mythic personnel decimator to play around with. With Runspeed, to boot. In other news, Worldbreaker is just as much of a joke on Mythic as any other difficulty.

    Though while blowing up some dummies, i noticed that it appears they messed with SW's trail effect again. Also, they fixed the whole LS launch animation not showing while chaincasting at some point.

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