Donald Trump on Immigration

[alexw]

Even a broken watch is right twice a day. Trump can be both a complete moron, and be correct about the facts of what is currently occurring.

I don't know how we got to a point where our politics are so polarized, that we deny the existence of the sun.

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Source please. Obvious BS is obvious BS.

The problem is he is wrong about the facts AND a complete moron.

[Hooked]

He still hasn't explained how he would handle immigration other than "deport em all" and "get mexico to pay for the wall". As if he would have any power to make that happen

He had me at "deport".

[Tijuana]

The problem is he is wrong about the facts AND a complete moron.

You really don't think immigration is a problem atm?

[sarahtasher]

He has explained it. If mexico is unwilling to chip in for the wall, tariffs, fees, etc would be applied to any mexican hoping to legally come here to the states. Additionally, employers/landlords caught hiring or renting to illegals will pay a hefty fine and possibly look at jail time.

The section of wall that has been put up has done a very good job at keeping illegals out, they now have to surpass a mountain and 50 miles of desert.

The united states has done mass deportations in the millions in the past. No more catch and release. It's catch and detain. Tripling the amount of ICE agents will aid in the facilitation of these deportations.

Pretty much if you don't get out before this comes into place, your gonna have a hell of a time hiding.

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Compared to that, I'm going to sacrifice a goat to Satan is a more credible plan

[Elegiac]

You really don't think immigration is a problem atm?

No, not in the least.

[Tijuana]

No, not in the least.

Wow. Do you know of any other Americans who agree?

[Paranoid Android]

You really don't think immigration is a problem atm?

No. Its mostly Xenophobia. An easy political ruse that gets all the mainly white working people to get mad that people of a different color are coming for their jobs. When most likely their jobs have been a) shipped oversees or b) replaced by technology. Again, most immigrants work jobs that 90% of the U.S. workforce would not touch. Especially for wages.

The problem all along has been businesses that Employed illegals for cheap labor. Again easy to blame the people who have no political clout then attack the real problem. If you want a solution there should be a work type visa.

[Cthulhu 2020]

People thought the exact same things when Jews were seeking refuge in the US.

[Tijuana]

No. Its mostly Xenophobia. An easy political ruse that gets all the mainly white working people to get mad that people of a different color are coming for their jobs. When most likely their jobs have been a) shipped oversees or b) replaced by technology. Again, most immigrants work jobs that 90% of the U.S. workforce would not touch. Especially for wages.

The problem all along has been businesses that Employed illegals for cheap labor. Again easy to blame the people who have no political clout then attack the real problem. If you want a solution there should be a work type visa.

So, vaccines are not a problem? Having people living off the books is not a problem? Huge unemployment is not a problem? If you are talking about migrant farm hands, sure Americans won't do that. But don't tell me Americans won't take jobs as carpenters, plumbers, or other skilled trades because that is just nonsense.

You can be both pro-immigration and anti-illegal immigration you know.

[Masark]

Source please. Obvious BS is obvious BS.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...up-citizenship

[Tijuana]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...up-citizenship

So, people who already left a long time ago and are basically no longer American, are making it official. Big news.

[Stacyrect]

In which case illegal immigration would be zero.

I will remind you that the US had an open border with Mexico for a long time.

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So your plan is to waste billions of dollars combating what is essentially a non-issue and create a labor shortage in the US agricultural sector.

1. Their is a labor shortage because their is a wage shortage. If you can't afford to pay a decent wage, don't bitch about not being able to get the help especially when your getting pretty hefty taxpayer subsidies. Farms near me are always looking for help when they offer 9$ an hour, rare to see openings at farms paying 15-20$ an hour for the same work.
2.) Spending an additional roughly 30 billion. 12 on ICE enforcement, 18 billion (most expensive estimate) to immediately halt 108 billion spent annually is a good thing.
3.) Exploiting people for cheap labor is wrong and your a disgusting excuse of a human being if you think that it is

[Blayze]

People thought the exact same things when Jews were seeking refuge in the US.

"Our X will stand the test of time because it's lasted thus far without completely falling apart."

Tell that to Northern Rock.