My Little Pony Friendship is Magic part 18: We Don't Need No Stinkin Hiatus

[Golden Dragon]

rawr
how is everypony this fine evening?

[Freyera]

rawr
how is everypony this fine evening?

Your face or something!

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[Freyera]

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Disturbingly accurate.

[Golden Dragon]

time for this dragon to retire to his cave
g'nite everypony

[Dontrike]

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you could change this to cleaning and/or video games and it would be true for me.

[Powerogue]

Spoilers for next expansion, totes.



One...two...THREE invasions of azeroth! Ah Ah ah!

[Dontrike]

Spoilers for next expansion, totes.

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One...two...THREE invasions of azeroth! Ah Ah ah!

I believe they said that this skin doesn't mean anything in WoW, but it is kind of weird to make this character a dreadlord rather than any other one. Personally I think she'll be going crazy in the next expansion in one way or another, it has been building up to it over a long time, but it wouldn't surprise me if she didn't.

[isi]

I believe they said that this skin doesn't mean anything in WoW, but it is kind of weird to make this character a dreadlord rather than any other one. Personally I think she'll be going crazy in the next expansion in one way or another, it has been building up to it over a long time, but it wouldn't surprise me if she didn't.

there's a pretty big theory about Jaina being a Dreadlord ... so blizz ist just like it always did and make fun of those theories while at the same time fueling them

[BloodyAngel12]

[Dontrike]

there's a pretty big theory about Jaina being a Dreadlord ... so blizz ist just like it always did and make fun of those theories while at the same time fueling them

Oh yeah, I know the theory. It wouldn't surprise me either way if she is evil or not, but I am leaning more on evil.

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[isi]

Oh yeah, I know the theory. It wouldn't surprise me either way if she is evil or not, but I am leaning more on evil.

she's not evil, never was and never will be. She has just seen to much and experienced too much to be okay with looking away while the horde does more evil shit.

[Dontrike]

she's not evil, never was and never will be. She has just seen to much and experienced too much to be okay with looking away while the horde does more evil shit.

She's certainly gone off the deep end once or twice. At the very start of this expansion she is already trying to cause shit even though she doesn't know everything.

"The Horde" and not just a small section of it each time which usually sides with some greater force. Undead at Wrath gate with demons. Orcs with Garrosh and Sha.

Also the Alliance are not saints in that department. Was practically lead by Onyxia, Nefarion, and Deathwing multiple times throughout history. Arthas and the Lich King, oh and Bolvar as the Lich King. Dwarves summoning Ragnaros.

See how neither is to fully blame for everything?

[isi]

She's certainly gone off the deep end once or twice. At the very start of this expansion she is already trying to cause shit even though she doesn't know everything.

"The Horde" and not just a small section of it each time which usually sides with some greater force. Undead at Wrath gate with demons. Orcs with Garrosh and Sha.

Also the Alliance are not saints in that department. Was practically lead by Onyxia, Nefarion, and Deathwing multiple times throughout history. Arthas and the Lich King, oh and Bolvar as the Lich King. Dwarves summoning Ragnaros.

See how neither is to fully blame for everything?

okay, lets look at these examples:
- Wrathgate - Orchestrated by high Ranking Undead, using a Plague Sylvanas herself ordered to be made and still uses, considering how big of a part the forsaken are in the horde.. and how Sylvanas is the current warchief.. well, you get the idea.
- Garrosh - oh boy. Leader of the whole horde, all of them pretty much okay with his massive war mongering until he went full racist on his own people. Still this was for the most part The Horde, only separating them when it was already too late.
- Also letting him then go to do it all again in a different timeline ...

At all Times, the Horde was fully aware of who those people are and who they support.

- Onyxia - until uncovered noone knew she was Onyxia, and while Powerful she never was in full control or started large scale wars. Yes, she was a dick, but by the moment she was found out she was kicked out and they did everything to stop her
- Nefarion? no?
- Deathwing? see above.
- Arthas and the Lich King. Yes, Arthas was bad, basically the Alliance's Garrosh. But that was before the Alliance in his current Form. He for the most Part was only acting for Lordaeron, and they went down with him. Ironically, most of the ones that fell victim to him are now Forsaken, and a whole lot worse brand of evil
- Bolvar isn't evil.
- The Darkiron dwarves weren't part of the Alliance until very recently so they don't count.

Sure, the Alliance can be blamed for many things too, it's fuckups are on a much smaller scale than the Horde fuckups.. and unlike the Horde they tend to learn from their mistakes. Well, apart from the Mistake of trusting the Horde.. which they do time and time again just to have them stab them in the back... ugh...

[Dontrike]

okay, lets look at these examples:
- Wrathgate - Orchestrated by high Ranking Undead, using a Plague Sylvanas herself ordered to be made and still uses, considering how big of a part the forsaken are in the horde.. and how Sylvanas is the current warchief.. well, you get the idea.

Except they hated Sylvanas enough to take over Undercity with demons and try to kill her. Just because they use a weapon someone else made doesn't mean they weren't with the Legion. Hell, they attacked both Horde and Alliance during the Wrathgate, even other Forsaken.

- Garrosh - oh boy. Leader of the whole horde, all of them pretty much okay with his massive war mongering until he went full racist on his own people. Still this was for the most part The Horde, only separating them when it was already too late.
- Also letting him then go to do it all again in a different timeline ...

What do you mean letting him? Even the Alliance let him escape. It was because of Wrathion and that bronze dragon that he escaped. The Horde were definitely not okay with him bombing Theramore either. Hell, the entirety of Cataclysm each racial leader is pissed with him from the get go, mostly for different reasons, but they in no way liked him or what he was doing.

In fact the closest person who could have stopped it was Anduin, who is the only real friend of Wrathion and is the reason WoD happened. In the book, War Crimes, Wrathion was making it clear he was going to cause trouble and all Anduin did was talk to him.

- Onyxia - until uncovered noone knew she was Onyxia, and while Powerful she never was in full control or started large scale wars. Yes, she was a dick, but by the moment she was found out she was kicked out and they did everything to stop her
- Nefarion? no?

Except those two worked in tandem to make sure that Stormwind never sent any help to Burning Steppes to stop the black dragons, or the orcs, from living there. Onyxia herself was to blame for the Defias to take a foothold and be created. She even ensorcelled Varian after his wife died during the Third War to politically gain a better foothold in the kingdom. She controlled Bolvar for many years while Varian was missing.

- Deathwing? see above.

He was a primary reason why the human kingdoms were so uneasy around each other. He was always Lord Daval Prestor around them and definitely had a hand with learning information during the Second War and relaying that information to the orcs. I'd have to reread Chronicles 2 for specifics, but he was a prominent figure in the human kingdoms, and the earliest form of the Alliance, and messed with many things and people.

His immediately family has been messing with the Alliance for decades.

- Arthas and the Lich King. Yes, Arthas was bad, basically the Alliance's Garrosh. But that was before the Alliance in his current Form. He for the most Part was only acting for Lordaeron, and they went down with him. Ironically, most of the ones that fell victim to him are now Forsaken, and a whole lot worse brand of evil

The Alliance were basically what they are now, outside of extra racial inclusions since Burning Crusade. You can blame the Forsaken and just about everything they have done on Arthas as well, since he started it, and I wonder where he came from, oh right the Alliance.

- Bolvar isn't evil.

Did you not see the Death Knight campaign? Bolvar is setting up for something that goes beyond just the Legion if he is willing to make the player go into the Paladin Class Hall, kill a bunch of paladins and therefore make the fight against the Legion weaker as a result, and try and raise Tirion back to life. Yes, Tirion would have made a super death knight, but does he not remember that even the original Lich King's ability was weakened on that ground and he was beaten back? No way the player was supposed to be able to raise Tirion on such a light infused site as that. Bolvar was risking something great when even he knew he couldn't do much of anything there, let alone the player.

- The Darkiron dwarves weren't part of the Alliance until very recently so they don't count.

That's fair enough, you got me there.

Sure, the Alliance can be blamed for many things too, it's fuckups are on a much smaller scale than the Horde fuckups.. and unlike the Horde they tend to learn from their mistakes. Well, apart from the Mistake of trusting the Horde.. which they do time and time again just to have them stab them in the back... ugh...

Which occasions would those be? The Horde since Thrall, as a whole, has never done anything widescale to the Alliance. Garrosh was the closest thing, but as soon as he did that all of the leaders of the Horde wanted him gone and the trolls started war efforts against him long before anyone, not even Jaina did anything at that point and she had the most reason to hate Garrosh.

[isi]

Except they hated Sylvanas enough to take over Undercity with demons and try to kill her. Just because they use a weapon someone else made doesn't mean they weren't with the Legion. Hell, they attacked both Horde and Alliance during the Wrathgate, even other Forsaken.

That does not absolve her of /ordering the plague to be made/ and /using it herself/

What do you mean letting him? Even the Alliance let him escape. It was because of Wrathion and that bronze dragon that he escaped. The Horde were definitely not okay with him bombing Theramore either. Hell, the entirety of Cataclysm each racial leader is pissed with him from the get go, mostly for different reasons, but they in no way liked him or what he was doing.

They had the chance to end it then and there, yet they wanted to give him a trial... A TRIAL ... yes, part of the blame lies with Anduin here. But Overall Garrosh and his warmongering was still okay for most of the Horde, as evidenced by just how many Orcs fought for him during hte Siege of Orgrimmar and before.

In fact the closest person who could have stopped it was Anduin, who is the only real friend of Wrathion and is the reason WoD happened. In the book, War Crimes, Wrathion was making it clear he was going to cause trouble and all Anduin did was talk to him.

Anduin is an idealistic idiot and Wrathion is a whole different topic.

Except those two worked in tandem to make sure that Stormwind never sent any help to Burning Steppes to stop the black dragons, or the orcs, from living there. Onyxia herself was to blame for the Defias to take a foothold and be created. She even ensorcelled Varian after his wife died during the Third War to politically gain a better foothold in the kingdom. She controlled Bolvar for many years while Varian was missing.

He was a primary reason why the human kingdoms were so uneasy around each other. He was always Lord Daval Prestor around them and definitely had a hand with learning information during the Second War and relaying that information to the orcs. I'd have to reread Chronicles 2 for specifics, but he was a prominent figure in the human kingdoms, and the earliest form of the Alliance, and messed with many things and people.

His immediately family has been messing with the Alliance for decades.

except, again. Noone knew they were Dragons, and rejected them the moment they were found out. a Crucial distinction between the this and the open Evil of the Horde.
Dragons messing with the Alliance =/= Alliance Wrongdoings

The Alliance were basically what they are now, outside of extra racial inclusions since Burning Crusade. You can blame the Forsaken and just about everything they have done on Arthas as well, since he started it, and I wonder where he came from, oh right the Alliance.

Wrong. Back then the Alliance was just Lordaeron (and several states of humans), Quel'Thanas and Ironforge. With the whole Alliance being shaky after the end of the War. Also, if you want to give the "Horde evil only did it under demon etc. influence then that applies to Arthas too.

Did you not see the Death Knight campaign? Bolvar is setting up for something that goes beyond just the Legion if he is willing to make the player go into the Paladin Class Hall, kill a bunch of paladins and therefore make the fight against the Legion weaker as a result, and try and raise Tirion back to life. Yes, Tirion would have made a super death knight, but does he not remember that even the original Lich King's ability was weakened on that ground and he was beaten back? No way the player was supposed to be able to raise Tirion on such a light infused site as that. Bolvar was risking something great when even he knew he couldn't do much of anything there, let alone the player.

No, i don't play deathknight. Bolvar is a good guy.

Which occasions would those be? The Horde since Thrall, as a whole, has never done anything widescale to the Alliance. Garrosh was the closest thing, but as soon as he did that all of the leaders of the Horde wanted him gone and the trolls started war efforts against him long before anyone, not even Jaina did anything at that point and she had the most reason to hate Garrosh.

Thrall as a Leader was pretty horrible. Unable to get the Horde on the right path, glorifying war criminals and mass murderers as Heroes and in large parts just fueling the hordes war mongering. He enabled Garrosh and is to blame for many of the things that happened, but he also admitted that himself and always had peace and a home for his people as his goal, so i'm going easy on him.

As For Garroshs support.... let's see...
- Orcs? Loved him for the most part
- Goblins? i have no idea but judging by all the shit they built him... yeah...
- Undead? Only started getting pissy when he started controlling them move closely
- Tauren? Yeah, they're mostly cool ... he still killed Cairne... and the Grimtotem are just assholes
- Trolls? Yeah, sure, they hated him.
- Bloodelves? Helped him in Aquiring the tools to build a WMD ...

Sure during Pandaria many Horde Leaders actively tried to lessen the damageGarrosh did.. but they only stepped up to stop him after shit hit the fan and they had no excuse anymore.

Jaina worked on fighting against Garrosh the whole time, but as you may recall her whole city and army was nuked at Theramore. She had to rely on her Allies, who were held back by bullshit reasons.

There have always been smaller fights between Horde and Alliance with Horde being the aggressor most of the time... but yes, aside from the Undead doing genocide in Hillsbrad and other old Lordaeron zones, it wasn't at the scale of Garroshs expansion

[Dontrike]

That does not absolve her of /ordering the plague to be made/ and /using it herself/

It does, at the time of that, as we know, her main intention was to make a plague able to kill the endless ranks of the dead and even harm the Lich King, which it did.

They had the chance to end it then and there, yet they wanted to give him a trial... A TRIAL ... yes, part of the blame lies with Anduin here. But Overall Garrosh and his warmongering was still okay for most of the Horde, as evidenced by just how many Orcs fought for him during hte Siege of Orgrimmar and before.

The Pandaren were the ones wanting the trial as they were the ones most hurt by Garrosh, hell the Horde and the Alliance altogether really hurt the Pandaren.

[QUOTE]Anduin is an idealistic idiot and Wrathion is a whole different topic.

That doesn't absolve him of not doing anything to warn anyone. With both the Horde and the Alliance around at the trial, along with the Shado-Pan, he could definitely have warned someone, but all he did was talk with Wrathion and Aunty Jaina about what Garrosh wanted to talk to him about.

except, again. Noone knew they were Dragons, and rejected them the moment they were found out. a Crucial distinction between the this and the open Evil of the Horde.
Dragons messing with the Alliance =/= Alliance Wrongdoings

What? If they were considered human and part of the Alliance then that means that they were Alliance and they did those things. They didn't help other kingdoms with issues nor other towns with orcs or dragons. If they didn't realize it and didn't do what they should have then that is the Alliances fault. You can't say they didn't do those things when they absolutely did.

How is it not the Alliances fault that the Defias Brotherhood got started when all they had to do was pay them for the reconstruction effort? How is it not their fault when towns and kingdoms are being attacked and they do nothing?

Wrong. Back then the Alliance was just Lordaeron (and several states of humans), Quel'Thanas and Ironforge. With the whole Alliance being shaky after the end of the War. Also, if you want to give the "Horde evil only did it under demon etc. influence then that applies to Arthas too.

Oh no, Arthas did everything of his own volition. He was obsessed with needing to end the plague that was taking over cities, sacrificing all he needs, and killing whatever stands in his way. He is fully in control, down to the first villager he kills in Stratholme, even if they ate the plagued wheat or not, to when he puts on the helm and sits on his frozen throne.

No, i don't play deathknight. Bolvar is a good guy.

Alright, so just ignore part of the story I guess? Seriously, Bolvar is not a good guy. The Ebon Blade has to make a deal with him to find the artifacts so he can keep the zombies only within Northrend. He is definitely not a good guy. If he's willing to send them out, and not just to battle the Legion, he is certainly warped. He planning something else. We could end up with another fused personality of Bolvar and what's left of Ner'zhul and/or Arthas and have an all new Lich King.

Thrall as a Leader was pretty horrible. Unable to get the Horde on the right path, glorifying war criminals and mass murderers as Heroes and in large parts just fueling the hordes war mongering. He enabled Garrosh and is to blame for many of the things that happened, but he also admitted that himself and always had peace and a home for his people as his goal, so i'm going easy on him.

He didn't enable Garrosh anything. He showed that his father, even after bringing the Horde down their green skin path, made the ultimate sacrifice and showed they they don't need demons and could rise up and be what they were before the Legion got their hands on them. When Thrall left to become a shaman and Earth Warder he gave Garrosh every little bit of wisdom and teaching that he himself had when becoming Warchief. Garrosh chose those things on his own. He saw that the Horde needed someone like Garrosh, someone strong that wouldn't bow down to others, but he had hoped that the young bravado and thirst for battle would be calmed by his advisors and the teachings they could offer.

In the beginning of Cataclysm Garrosh was fine, he hated that some orcs were using fel magics and forbade it, even chucked someone off a cliff for bombing a druid encampment and he was respectful in these cases by showing he might be growing, but Blizzard changed that by the end of Cataclysm and into MoP where we see him bombing Theramore followed by wanting to go after the Sha's magic. It was honestly terrible writing that made Garrosh like that.

As For Garroshs support.... let's see...
- Orcs? Loved him for the most part

I don't know about most. We see orcs needing to be saved in the raid and even in the Barrens. I don't know if that's a minority or not.

- Goblins? i have no idea but judging by all the shit they built him... yeah...

Those were the Blackfuse that Garrosh paid. The playable Goblin race (I don't know that name offhand) were not part of it.

- Undead? Only started getting pissy when he started controlling them move closely

They hated each other rather soon. Garrosh hated that the Horde was using undead, he saw them as the weakest of all the Horde.

- Bloodelves? Helped him in Aquiring the tools to build a WMD ...

We don't exactly know who made it, but it certainly wasn't the blood elves as a whole.

Sure during Pandaria many Horde Leaders actively tried to lessen the damageGarrosh did.. but they only stepped up to stop him after shit hit the fan and they had no excuse anymore.

I'd say they did more than that. Vol'jin was being hunted down the whole time and almost killed before the war effort took place and Baine was helping Vol'jin in secret. Sylvanas and the Blood Elves didn't really come in until later, that I can give you, but you can't just take out a leader with thousands behind him easily, especially when Garrosh himself is a fully competent warrior in his own right.

Jaina worked on fighting against Garrosh the whole time, but as you may recall her whole city and army was nuked at Theramore. She had to rely on her Allies, who were held back by bullshit reasons.

There have always been smaller fights between Horde and Alliance with Horde being the aggressor most of the time... but yes, aside from the Undead doing genocide in Hillsbrad and other old Lordaeron zones, it wasn't at the scale of Garroshs expansion

All I can say to this is that wiping out a small town isn't genocide.

[Golden Dragon]

rawr
how is everypony this fine evening?

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time for this dragon to retire to his cave
g'nite everypony

[Dontrike]

Nice, Captain Planet will be on O.K.K.O. in October. Gotta wonder if he'll have the same voice actor from the 90's.

[Pendulous]

Pop quiz time!

You are in charge of a group of workers. Your best worker is inside a hot truck working. He becomes noticeably ill. He also begins to vomit, and is having trouble staying on his feet. What do you do?

A. Deride him, scold him for slowing down production, and claim he is wasting his break time.

B. The same as A, but in a sarcastic, joking manner.

C. Literally anything else.