Anti-immigrant 'Soldiers of Odin' raise concern in Finland.

[Sosoulsu]

Want an example of real "rape culture"?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrRgsBugCs8

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Want an example of real "rape culture"?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrRgsBugCs8

Those are just boys being boys, perhaps it's because of alcohol. Also, I don't see any penetration so it's not rape. It even looks like they're trying to escort her out of the crowd, perhaps she got sick and needed help. How helpful of those decent men.
Even if it's true what that video is trying to say, can you prove that the men in the video are actually Arab, as the title implies? Because in Islam/Arab culture women are treated with utmost respect.

I think that covers all the excuses and cop-outs I've heard so far from certain people.

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Correct.
And the simplest answer is that people feel the need to take care of ISIS-victims.
A worldwide conspiracy is NEVER the simplest answer.
Especially not if it's between the left, feminists and capitalists.

I don't recall mentioning a conspiracy (nice projection BTW). These are goals that benefit those groups, and also obviously if you deign to think about it for a moment. I didn't say they were working together. I said they all have something to gain from this. The capitalist benefit is from recent news here in Finland, and I might SAY, this situation does not reward BLIND OPTIMISM, but rather PREPARED CYNICISM. Especially when all these groups have consistently acted like this in the past and have continued to do so to the present day.

And ISIS victims? Really? I'll counter with this: I don't want ISIS to come here to make ME a victim, or any other Finn. If you're not blind, take a look around. Take a look how people ACT, not at what they SAY.

I've practically been outside the law for all my adult life. At this rate I don't expect it to change, and whatever justice I might receive must be taken by me, because no one is going to give it to me.

And if people like you keep getting to have their say, I never will. So that's that.

[Kuntantee]

By the way, are Finns vikings? If not, the name preference is rather ironic.

[Ghostile]

By the way, are Finns vikings? If not, the name preference is rather ironic.

Fins weren't vikings, but the nordic religion influenced around here back in the days.

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Dicks being dicks and police not doing their job.
That's what it was.

Dicks being dicks while acting accordingly to their culture back home.

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By the way, are Finns vikings? If not, the name preference is rather ironic.

There's no viking ancestry, or embrace of viking mythology, in Finland. There have been people living in the land area that is Finland ever since the glaciers retreated and the hunter gatherers followed them. During viking times, vikings did visit coastal Finland, to rape and pillage the people living here.

However, that's not what irony is. Not wanting to be late, and taking an earlier-than-normal bus to make sure you're not late, only to have that bus break down which then causes you to be late, is ironic. Causing something to happen by the very action you're taking while trying to make sure that something doesn't happen, that's ironic. What you're saying has nothing to do with irony.

[Kuntantee]

However, that's not what irony is. Not wanting to be late, and taking an earlier-than-normal bus to make sure you're not late, only to have that bus break down which then causes you to be late, is ironic. Causing something to happen by the very action you're taking while trying to make sure that something doesn't happen, that's ironic. What you're saying has nothing to do with irony.

Thanks for the unnecessary irony lecture. Have you ever entertained the idea that maybe it's just you who can't get the irony here? Well, it's hard to miss in my opinion.

This is a nationalist group, obviously. Alienating a foreign culture/people, or even attacking them while functioning under a nationalist ideology and at the same time using a name from another foreign culture is ironic. If Gray Wolfs (a Turkish nationalist group) to use a name from Persian mythology (Turks are highly influenced by Persians), that would be fucking hilarious.

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I can certainly understand that it raises some concern. Groups like that have a tendency to end up fueling the flames, either through harassment, violence or provocation, and they'll often end up with provoking enough for the other group (in this case immigrants) to act upon said provocations, and then they'll get slack for that as well. It essentially broadens hostility and serves as a great way to get people on your side, even though your acts were responsible for some of the hostility.

Hopefully that is not going to be the case, but one can but hope.

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We need more of these groups

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While most Finns disapprove of the group

This ain't truth actually, here hasn't been any polls dictating this at all. Only thing to say so is the media of Finland which unlike in US isn't separated to leftist/rightist backed. There is only 3 bigger publishers on this small nation and they hold the majority of the shares of _every_ media be it radio, newspaper or TV all leaning to the far left. The only media not in their total control has very small pool of end users (internationals and tiny local newspapers).

Background to those not familiar with Finnish media/history, more about the "gang" further down.

Two out of the three publishers are long time Family business' from leftists roots (communists after the world wars because Finland had tight connections with the Soviet Union who didn't approve anything remotedly related to the rightist) and the last one is National Yle, working strictly under ministry&parliament ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yle ) thus being almost considered as national propaganda.

Finland has always been geographically close to the heart of communism and thus having relatively large slice of people leaning towards the extreme ends of socialism (Finland is socialist country with the rest of the nordics if you already didn't know). Aforementioned group of people have always had the itch to control the rest of the country to do things their way. Even back in the 1918 civil war broke out between reds (communists) and whites (the rest) because of similar reasons.

That all leads to the point that ANYONE that even remotely opposes the cultural marxist ideas gets labeled as nazi/hatemonger/chauvinist and might get the "antifa" flock after them on social media trying to smoke people out of their jobs/social hierarchy via feeble claims. Doesn't matter what they say they are against, the communist rooted antifa is quick to throw their jurisdiction towards them.

The current situation here in Finland is getting more and more towards the censorship/anti-free speech/thought crime from the CCCP days which is for me more worrying than any refugee or far right rising crisis. If this keeps going on at this speed i wanna move out the country before new civil war breaks out after 10-20years.



And now about the Soldiers of Odin.

They are not breaking any laws, and by any member doing so they get kicked from the organization. Yet they are being painted by the Finnish media to be criminals that everyone should hate and fear.
Media has been interviewing few "highly thought about"-officials (although every single one of them are from communist families or openly like communism) about their views on the odin group, such as professors ( http://www.iltalehti.fi/uutiset/2016...58134_uu.shtml ), police ( http://www.mtv.fi/uutiset/kotimaa/ar...astaan/5637756 ) and philosophers ( http://www.hs.fi/politiikka/a1452139277377 ). When officials say anything against the medias view about the soldiers of odin/current events on their personal facebook/twitter accounts it gets shunned and never gets daylight unlike pro-left texts.

Few days ago some active antifa members (you can see them bragging about it on twitter) tried to provoke patrolling odin group to commit any crime against them and by doing so the Finnish media would get new things to accuse them of, pushing the public view further against the group by getting to call them "violent nazis" or something worse.
Video of the antifa provoking SoD patrol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCJEOa6f_sY

Big question is: If Soldiers of Odin are law abiding group against any sort of crime be it racial or sexual, then what are these clowns dressed antifa guys against? Do they want more crime or what? Atleast they got praise from Finnish media ( http://www.iltalehti.fi/uutiset/2016...72152_uu.shtml )

No wonder why Finland ranks in the top of suicide/depression statistics and by writing this i feel so disgusted that im not sure if i wanna live on this planet any longer.

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Have you ever entertained the idea that maybe it's just you who can't get the irony here? Well, it's hard to miss in my opinion.

We already established that you don't understand what irony actually is, so your opinion on it isn't really relevant.

This is a nationalist group, obviously. Alienating a foreign culture/people, or even attacking them while functioning under a nationalist ideology and at the same time using a name from another foreign culture is ironic.

No, it's not. Again, you're not understanding what irony actually is. Don't worry though, neither do most people.

If Gray Wolfs (a Turkish nationalist group) to use a name from Persian mythology (Turks are highly influenced by Persians), that would be fucking hilarious.

I guess. I can't say whether it'd be hilarious or not, since I don't know that much about "Gray Wolfs". Wolves? Or Persians for that matter.

[PACOX]

"Definitely not neo nazis"

This one is too easy to call. Might want brush up on how hate groups are started.

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I cant see why that group concern people more than sharia-vigilanties and other muslim groups that recruit to ISIS?
Whenever they go around in towns yelling for allah or death to the west, they are "using they're freedom to do so"
according to media.

I guess white folks are inherantly more dangerous.

Did I say that it was? I don't recall that I did.

I'd rank them somewhat equally deserving of concern, with this form of group being at least somewhat hopeful of turning out fine.

[Kuntantee]

We already established that you don't understand what irony actually is, so your opinion on it isn't really relevant.
No, it's not. Again, you're not understanding what irony actually is. Don't worry though, neither do most people.

Repeating "I think I am right and you are wrong" two times in a row is not an argument. Moving on, anyone could establish random bullshit, still doesn't make it sensible.

I guess. I can't say whether it'd be hilarious or not, since I don't know that much about "Gray Wolfs". Wolves? Or Persians for that matter.

You do not need any knowledge whatsoever to understand the irony there. I would seek the problem in my own comprehension skills if I were you. And yes, wolves. I didn't check my spelling, you got me mr. Grammar Nazi.

[gyrados]

with all these refugees coming to different countries i wouldnt be shocked if more vigilante justice happens and rightfully so