Liberals in sweden want to make incest and necrophilia legal

[Underverse]

only pedophilia is the wrong one. bestiality is perfectly fine, with limitations on which animals you can practice with.

Wrong?

Our closest ape ancestors practice pedophilia regularly. They're fine. Bestiality on the other hand is generally rare and reserved only for the socially maligned who are so repulsive that they can't find another of their species to play around with.

[Al Gorefiend]

I'd fully expect bestiality and pedophilia to remain impermissible.

If corpses, why not animals? What consent can one give versus the other? Wasn't OT recently graced with the thread involving a couple attempting to overturn Germany's ban on bestiality?

But ya I agree and would hope sex with kiddos remains illegal, although unfortunately pedos are attempting to find legal loopholes to child pornography :/

[Underverse]

Those are impermissible due to consent issues though, not just because they're "icky."

I disagree. Consent as we define it is a construct. It belies what consent actually is.

[Underverse]

If corpses, why not animals? What consent can one give versus the other? Wasn't OT recently graced with the thread involving a couple attempting to overturn Germany's ban on bestiality?

But ya I agree and would hope sex with kiddos remains illegal, although unfortunately pedos are attempting to find legal loopholes to child pornography :/

I would agree that corpses and animals are more or less on the same moral level. Which is to say, it's really pushing the boundaries. Willing to have sex with a corpse or an animal in indicative of sociopathic traits. I could see disallowing both on the same grounds that we think torturing animals is wrong.

[Underverse]

Yes, it's a construct. What of it?

So it can be changed. Or, how it's applied can be changed. We've drawn arbitrary lines for an individual's ability to consent. These lines are a recent invention, and they aren't written in stone.

[Katie N]

People arguing that pedophilia and bestiality is fine now too in addition to this. See what I talk about earlier?

[TITAN308]

I thought there was actual science or something showing inbreeding is not so hot for bloodlines or did I miss something?

Do you want more King Joffry's? Cause thats how you get more King Joffry's.

[Deleted]

crime against nature

How do you know? You asked nature and she told you this?

How can it be a crime against nature if it's natural?

[Underverse]

I'm aware that it can be changed, but I don't see it changing anytime soon. The social shift has been toward being more permissive about how consenting persons engage sexually. Consent has, if anything, been narrowed.

The pendulum swings both ways, but generally towards freedom. If it's an integral part of human nature, it will become socially permissible. Maybe not within the next hundred years. But eventually.

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I thought there was actual science or something showing inbreeding is not so hot for bloodlines or did I miss something?

Do you want more King Joffry's? Cause thats how you get more King Joffry's.

Yes and no. You get more defects. You get more people that aren't carriers. Via incest you can remove deleterious alleles from a population. The cost is a higher incidence of defects - temporarily.

In the long run, incest is a good thing.

[Katie N]

No, because you were and still are just talking out of your ass

No, you can perfectly see what happened here, I said it would go this way and it happened.

[Underverse]

No, you can perfectly see what happened here, I said it would go this way and it happened.

As if it's some great cataclysm.

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I'm not terribly concerned with what happens hundreds of years from now. Those events will be shaped by countless happenings nobody would have ever predicted. My post was only aimed at a fairly static idea of the society as it exists now. The point being that on our current course, legalizing pedophilia is not a concern for our lifetimes.

Maybe. Maybe not. Civil rights have changed drastically over the last few decades. And technology has developed to the point where we can start to consider therapies for aging. It could happen in 50 years, or we could live thousands. I think it's worth considering.

[derpkitteh]

Wrong?

Our closest ape ancestors practice pedophilia regularly. They're fine. Bestiality on the other hand is generally rare and reserved only for the socially maligned who are so repulsive that they can't find another of their species to play around with.

i've seen some very pretty girls take on dogs while i scroll through 4chan sometimes.

but no, pedophilia is wrong and that's just all there is to it. a kid is just not something that should ever be looked at in this way.

[Underverse]

i've seen some very pretty girls take on dogs while i scroll through 4chan sometimes.

but no, pedophilia is wrong and that's just all there is to it. a kid is just not something that should ever be looked at in this way.

Wait wait wait, by 'take on dogs', what do you mean exactly?

Also, your second line is a statement of opinion, not an argument. You're going to need a bit more than that.

[derpkitteh]

Wait wait wait, by 'take on dogs', what do you mean exactly?

Also, your second line is a statement of opinion, not an argument. You're going to need a bit more than that.

you know what i mean lol, also seen some really pretty ones sucking horses.

and go google if you wanna know why it's wrong to look at kids sexually. all kinds of psychological shit, the physical damage it can cause. all kinds of stuff. i'm not a doctor, i can't name everything wrong with it off hand. but to me, this is the one moral case that stands above all others, one of three moral codes humanity should stand by "you don't fuck kids".

[Sama-81]

In Sweden we call them "Liberals" but that is because the word liberal means something else here than it does in the US, to be a Liberal here (Sweden) is to be skeptical of the government and believe that it's role should be reduced as much as possible. Libertarianism in the US is more or less the same school of thought.

I totally agree that it's from the same school of thought. They do differ though, and more than a little. Just like how socialism isn't the same as communism, not even by a longshot, even though it's from the same school of thought.

Edit: A good local example would be the Leftist Party and the Socialdemocrats. Same school of thought, and they even originate from the same party - yet, the Socialdemocrats arguably would both want to, and have an easier time with, collaborating with parties to the centre-right rather than with the Leftist Party.

[Daethz]

Yeah, and this is a textbook case on where freedom needs to be denied, necrophila should be globally permanently banned with specific writing so it can never ever be overturned even if 100% of all humans on earth support it.

[evogsr]

Why such click bait? They're a laughable small amount of people who are not backed at all by the rest of the liberals.

Yet. Is the word you forgot.

[Deleted]

and go google if you wanna know why it's wrong to look at kids sexually

You have to think in the terms of your own sexuality. You have no control over what attracts you and stimulates you sexually. Pedophiles are no different, they are not making a conscious choice to be attracted to children. Thus the only wrong thing is the wrong processing in certain parts of the brain. Pedophiles are just kids in adult clothing. It must be incredibly tough to live a life like that. I pity them.

What can be argued to be wrong however, is acting upon those desires even after understanding the potential damaging effect it may have.

[Belize]

This got me thinking. If someone is undead, is it still necrophilia. Like, assume we can bring back someone who's been dead for... let's say 6+ hours (since that's essentially impossible right now), and they're completely mentally there, no brain damage.

[derpkitteh]

You have to think in the terms of your own sexuality. You have no control over what attracts you and stimulates you sexually. Pedophiles are no different, they are not making a conscious choice to be attracted to children. Thus the only wrong thing is the wrong processing in certain parts of the brain. Pedophiles are just kids in adult clothing. It must be incredibly tough to live a life like that. I pity them.

What can be argued to be wrong however, is acting upon those desires even after understanding the potential damaging effect it may have.

i understand that pedos can't exactly help being attracted.

i personally would like to experiment on people that have molested children, so we could find a way to remove the attraction from pedos that want to be good people and get fixed.