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    Quote Originally Posted by RickJamesLich View Post
    This video was great. I actually posted it on the official forums and it took them like 90 minutes before they actually deleted it. I was laughing SOOOOOO hard.
    I don't think openly mocking the person you are trying to convince you're right is a sound tactic.

    LOL.

    I was disappointed, I actually was hoping it was a real response. I am curious what they think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightZero88 View Post
    How about this, I'll change my stance to pro-legacy servers as soon as you all agree on which version of WoW and what rules it'll have going forward in terms of restarting or rolling into new expansions, etc.

    You won't be able too which is part of the problem that I'm sure Blizz realizes as well.
    Most legacy private servers went with 1.12, but slowly introduced the old raids and world content over time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckSparkles View Post
    Most legacy private servers went with 1.12, but slowly introduced the old raids and world content over time.
    Agreed. Worked for Nost, should be the consensus of Classic realm supporters.
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    To which rules are you referring? I'm curious. I don't see anything WoW-specific on their rules page.
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/201...date-4-20-2016 this is the nail in the coffin. i think they are doing it on purpose... killing the game, theres no other logical explination

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saucerian View Post
    Agreed. Worked for Nost, should be the consensus of Classic realm supporters.
    At least for vanilla.

    What I think Blizz could do is make a legacy server with updated graphics, resolutions and integration into Bnet.

    Other than that, they should leave it as it was originally. With all of it's imbalance, and all of it's glory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gamingmuscle View Post
    I don't think openly mocking the person you are trying to convince you're right is a sound tactic.

    LOL.

    I was disappointed, I actually was hoping it was a real response. I am curious what they think.
    At first I was under the impression that blizz wouldn't say anything but the response seems to only get greater and greater. I thought the petition was gonna die off when it started slowing around 50k for example, now it's at like 215k though, so at this point I'm starting to think blizzard at some point may in fact respond.

    But yeah, the video is all in good fun but it is fun seeing how far blizz can go at this point without saying anything. Apparently a lot of people have been posting about this stuff on the forums and the mods have been overworked... and the very idea that people enjoy legacy servers appears to enrage people on the official forums. I still crack up though.... "rub a dub dub dub dub I'm a Potato"

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckSparkles View Post
    Most legacy private servers went with 1.12, but slowly introduced the old raids and world content over time.
    Several posters have stated they don't want progressive servers. So now what? Do you alienate the other people by picking what you want or do you make multiple servers? If you make multiple servers can you group across servers? They'd have to include B.Net so you could communicate to your friends on different servers which would mean a lot of work on the old code which raises the costs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RickJamesLich View Post
    At first I was under the impression that blizz wouldn't say anything but the response seems to only get greater and greater. I thought the petition was gonna die off when it started slowing around 50k for example, now it's at like 215k though, so at this point I'm starting to think blizzard at some point may in fact respond.

    But yeah, the video is all in good fun but it is fun seeing how far blizz can go at this point without saying anything. Apparently a lot of people have been posting about this stuff on the forums and the mods have been overworked... and the very idea that people enjoy legacy servers appears to enrage people on the official forums. I still crack up though.... "rub a dub dub dub dub I'm a Potato"
    Sadly the reason why the forums is more vocally negative is to even post or like someones thread you have to have an active sub, at least in the sections that most of this stuff gets posted in. Considering a lot of the vocal people who want this probably aren't playing the game, it's hard to use the official forums for accuracy imo. There is also the White Knight wannabe community reps who try to assert themselves everywhere on the forums. I mean you even had a guy here who tried to quote the wall of no, but that was torn to shreds, and that is why you don't see that much here, but thrown everywhere on the WoW forums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightZero88 View Post
    Several posters have stated they don't want progressive servers. So now what? Do you alienate the other people by picking what you want or do you make multiple servers? If you make multiple servers can you group across servers? They'd have to include B.Net so you could communicate to your friends on different servers which would mean a lot of work on the old code which raises the costs.
    I don't see the problem with progressive servers. You get people to experience things like MC and BWL before moving onto AQ before moving onto Naxx. Gives something to sink their teeth into. I mean, sure, I suppose they could release legacy servers with all the old raids and old world content.

    Makes me wonder how people would progress. Would they try to do AQ 40 or Naxx off the start? or would they try and gear up in MC and BWL and Ony?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckSparkles View Post
    I don't see the problem with progressive servers. You get people to experience things like MC and BWL before moving onto AQ before moving onto Naxx. Gives something to sink their teeth into. I mean, sure, I suppose they could release legacy servers with all the old raids and old world content.

    Makes me wonder how people would progress. Would they try to do AQ 40 or Naxx off the start? or would they try and gear up in MC and BWL and Ony?
    But what about moving to TBC and WotLK? Is it still ok? Do you stop? Do you wipe the server and start over?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckSparkles View Post
    I don't see the problem with progressive servers. You get people to experience things like MC and BWL before moving onto AQ before moving onto Naxx. Gives something to sink their teeth into. I mean, sure, I suppose they could release legacy servers with all the old raids and old world content.

    Makes me wonder how people would progress. Would they try to do AQ 40 or Naxx off the start? or would they try and gear up in MC and BWL and Ony?
    Progression servers are what I want, and personally what I feel would keep continual success for Blizzard. I don't know when those were released due to being so young during classic and only playing to like level 10 for what I can remember, but if those weren't released till later patches, people wouldn't really be able to start off at a later raid til that patch came. If they do the EQ route also, later tiers in raiding wouldn't even be unlocked on the server till the previous raiding tier was cleared by someone. So I guess it depends on the route they go. I'm all for anything, but would prefer the unlocking of a raid on the server ONLY after the previous raid has been cleared by any guild. Then like a 6month give or take unlock of the next expansion after the last raid was cleared. Actually, I would rather it be a majority vote after 6months to see if people want to go to the next expansion or not, if not, do another poll in 3months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightZero88 View Post
    But what about moving to TBC and WotLK? Is it still ok? Do you stop? Do you wipe the server and start over?
    Those are questions I do not hold the answers to. Vanilla WoW is VERY time consuming, far more than people now are used to.

    Leveling up takes time. Gearing up takes time.

    But they are still excellent points. How would legacy content work?

    And would they go to Wrath? Wrath was a high point for many, but I also feel BC was exceptionally strong and still old school. When did dungeon finder come out? Wrath?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RickJamesLich View Post
    Lots of great videos coming out of this whole ordeal at least, like this one:

    Yeah... that'll make them take you seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightZero88 View Post
    But what about moving to TBC and WotLK? Is it still ok? Do you stop? Do you wipe the server and start over?
    Several ways of dealing with that, from just being progressive with 1 realm that moves from vanilla to expansions, making a new server each expansion with being able to copy your chars from vanilla to BC to just making all expansions at once and making them seasonal like diablo, i would like all of these and the best way for deciding is to just make polls imo, even tho most would probably be in favor of a single progressive realm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ausr View Post
    Yeah... that'll make them take you seriously.
    Yeah, people didn't mock the flying fiasco.. nor the lack of content in WoD - and countless other before..
    Gonna blame the players, in the future, for Blizzard not introducing either of those, because some players mocked them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliseus View Post
    Sadly the reason why the forums is more vocally negative is to even post or like someones thread you have to have an active sub, at least in the sections that most of this stuff gets posted in. Considering a lot of the vocal people who want this probably aren't playing the game, it's hard to use the official forums for accuracy imo. There is also the White Knight wannabe community reps who try to assert themselves everywhere on the forums. I mean you even had a guy here who tried to quote the wall of no, but that was torn to shreds, and that is why you don't see that much here, but thrown everywhere on the WoW forums.
    Yeah the official forums is a wacky place. Especially at the end of the expansion, like these are the guy's that LOVE stuff like garrisons, hanging out in queues, etc. So they will defend that stuff to the death. I don't have an active sub but you can still post in areas like "customer support". I think a lot of these guys think if they support blizzard hard enough, they will be granted MVP status or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckSparkles View Post
    I don't see the problem with progressive servers. You get people to experience things like MC and BWL before moving onto AQ before moving onto Naxx. Gives something to sink their teeth into. I mean, sure, I suppose they could release legacy servers with all the old raids and old world content.

    Makes me wonder how people would progress. Would they try to do AQ 40 or Naxx off the start? or would they try and gear up in MC and BWL and Ony?
    You pretty much *have* to do the order in which the raids came out. While it's possible for example, to do early parts of BWL or AQ40 without doing MC, you will eventually come across stuff that either one shots the tanks or damage that simply can't be healed through.

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    Yeah... that'll make them take you seriously.
    they didn't reply when we asked them nicely, might aswell make fun of them now

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckSparkles View Post
    And would they go to Wrath? Wrath was a high point for many, but I also feel BC was exceptionally strong and still old school. When did dungeon finder come out? Wrath?
    The dungeon finder we currently have came out with the ICC patch. Which is why people only remember the "easy Wrath heroics", because their gear was 1-2+ tiers above the heroics when the Dungeon Finder was introduced. Funnily enough, in Halls of Reflection people left after zoning into it because it was "too hard". And remember how Blizzard had to add an additional bag with loot to Occulus?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightZero88 View Post
    But what about moving to TBC and WotLK? Is it still ok? Do you stop? Do you wipe the server and start over?
    This is a non-issue.

    If Blizzard after the vanilla server is 'done' wish to let players progress to TBC they can open up TBC servers with transfer or copy (they can even milk extra $ for the transfer/copy) at that point in time.

    If they want a reset, they can just open up a new server with transfer/copy disabled and you have a reset.

    This isn't rocket science.

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    The one measurable standard to measure enthusiasm and interest in World of Warcraft (subscriptions) clearly show the result of changes made over time to the game philosophy.


    My question is: Why does access to "legacy servers" hurt anyone? Why does it hurt anything?

    This has always been the response when casuals are presented with the request to have LFR removed. "IF YOU DONT LIKE LFR DONT RAID IT IT DOESNT HURT YOU ELITIST SCUM". This is said despite the obvious impact on the player-base raiding in LFR has thanks to the little to no consequences suffered for playing......badly.

    Why if I'm stuck in a content limbo....like right now......why can't I log onto a vanilla/TBC/WOTLK server, level a toon, and do content again as if it were still current/interesting/challenging.

    WHY is that so god damn offensive.

    Why is player choice a good thing when it comes to the cancerous term "accessibility" as applied to raiding, but if I want to choose to play old content from the past with the same level of difficulty it had - back then - WHY is that BAD.

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