[TV] The Wheel of Time

[Candlewick]

And drawing upon an existing fan base to bolster viewership is a bonus.

I bailed on this series after ep 3 and I've not seen anything to show that wasnt the right move... there is bolstering a show with a fan base then utterly relying on it. If this didn't have the wheel of time name no one would care about this poorly made show.

[kenn9530]

I bailed on this series after ep 3 and I've not seen anything to show that wasnt the right move... there is bolstering a show with a fan base then utterly relying on it. If this didn't have the wheel of time name no one would care about this poorly made show.

They are not relying on the fanbase of the books at all though, if you dont read books of which most ppl dont you will not have one single clue what the wheel of time is about, all that matters is the viewers enjoying it and mostly they are, its doing just aswell as the hawkeye series.

[Shadowferal]

I bailed on this series after ep 3 and I've not seen anything to show that wasnt the right move... there is bolstering a show with a fan base then utterly relying on it. If this didn't have the wheel of time name no one would care about this poorly made show.

I fully agree.
And I left on the episode as well.

[Candlewick]

They are not relying on the fanbase of the books at all though, if you dont read books of which most ppl dont you will not have one single clue what the wheel of time is about, all that matters is the viewers enjoying it and mostly they are, its doing just aswell as the hawkeye series.

I don't know if anyone who didnt read the books would have any idea of wtf is happening by episode 3 at least. I don't think they even explained what a trolloc was they just had them attack. I could barely follow along and I had listened to the audio books only a few months before the show.

[kenn9530]

I don't know if anyone who didnt read the books would have any idea of wtf is happening by episode 3 at least. I don't think they even explained what a trolloc was they just had them attack. I could barely follow along and I had listened to the audio books only a few months before the show.

I am one who didnt have a clue what wheel of time was, it was on amazon prime and looked like the type i would watch and it was good, you dont need to understand every single thing about whats going on to just enjoy what is there. If you are always comparing things to the books and other stuff then you will always be dissapointed.

[Candlewick]

I am one who didnt have a clue what wheel of time was, it was on amazon prime and looked like the type i would watch and it was good, you dont need to understand every single thing about whats going on to just enjoy what is there.

Your right but at some point its just an action show then with interesting scenes.

That is alright but for the source material I wanted a lot more.

[rhorle]

It was bought for 500k in 2008 - 3 years before the premiere of Game of Thrones. It’s a totally different landscape now, where LOTR is bringing in what, 250 million, even after the main events of the saga were already done in an excellent trilogy? The 500k previous price is basically irrelevant. The world has changed.

Nothing will take Wheel of Time rights from $465k to $50 million when nothing new is being released book wise. The world hasn't changed that much and using existing numbers is better then a wish-based valuation of a fan.

[Coniferous]

Nothing will take Wheel of Time rights from $465k to $50 million when nothing new is being released book wise. The world hasn't changed that much and using existing numbers is better then a wish-based valuation of a fan.

Sure it has. Tolkien originally sold the rights to LOTR for 250k. Now the rights to do a series that doesn’t even cover the main trilogy sold for 250 million.

[Shadowferal]

Mystery Science Theater needs to do a few episodes.

[Nynax]

A show being canceled doesn't mean past seasons were a failure. Every show ever made eventually ends. Game of Thrones was canceled because they choose not to do a season 9. Was Game of Thrones a failure? You aren't interested in logic here but simply in telling me I'm wrong no matter what because you dislike the show so it can never be called anything but a failure.

I would argue there is a big difference between a show that is canceled and a show that ends. Game of Thrones wasn't canceled, it ended. Maybe ended with a shorter season and a rushed plot, but the story was brought to a final conclusion all the same. Other shows that end seasons on big cliffhangers and just...never come back? That's canceled, that is a show that failed because it failed to exist long enough to bring it's primary plot to a close. That's for story/plot driven shows. Episodic shows like Law & Order, Big Bang Theory, or The Office are clearly intended to last as long as possible until interest runs out and would also be considered failures if they can't make it past 2 seasons (the goal is probably at least 6 seasons). Even then, successful episodic shows have planned final episodes while the failures just never come back.

[rhorle]

Sure it has. Tolkien originally sold the rights to LOTR for 250k. Now the rights to do a series that doesn’t even cover the main trilogy sold for 250 million.

It was actually 100k and it was to settle a tax bill. Lord of the Rings has a bigger presence then Wheel of the Time.

[Coniferous]

It was actually 100k and it was to settle a tax bill. Lord of the Rings has a bigger presence then Wheel of the Time.

Agreed, and a small fraction of LOTR sold for 250 million. So I said, let's assume WoT is worth say, 1/5 of a fraction of LOTR... boom, 50 million.

[melodramocracy]

I don't know if anyone who didnt read the books would have any idea of wtf is happening by episode 3 at least. I don't think they even explained what a trolloc was they just had them attack. I could barely follow along and I had listened to the audio books only a few months before the show.

I read the first few books eons ago and forgot a good chunk of it. My better half never read it, and had no problems following along.

I enjoyed the first season quite a bit. I hope they can keep it going, as it feels like a show that could be cancelled due to expense or something of that nature. One complaint that I read that I can't help agreeing with is that everyone's costumes look brand new in almost every scene, and once you look for this, it is a bit distracting. Looking forward to next season.

[Candlewick]

I read the first few books eons ago and forgot a good chunk of it. My better half never read it, and had no problems following along.

I enjoyed the first season quite a bit. I hope they can keep it going, as it feels like a show that could be cancelled due to expense or something of that nature. One complaint that I read that I can't help agreeing with is that everyone's costumes look brand new in almost every scene, and once you look for this, it is a bit distracting. Looking forward to next season.

They have a second season I know but it's expensive so who knows they want it to be their game of thrones...

If you enjoy it I hope it goes on but I think the ship sailed for me.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Finally got around to sitting down and finishing it all and my thought's are pretty much the same as when I just saw the first 3 episodes.

Good fantasy show on its own but not a very good wheel of time show. Ill keep watching it if they keep putting it out to compare it to the books if nothing else.

[Ragedaug]

Yea...as I read in page 2 of Arstechnica review Andrew: The Perrin-Egwene thing is just there to artificially heighten tensions between some of our main characters, because some shows seem to believe that characters can't be interesting unless they're in some kind of conflict with one another at literally every possible second.

Just wanted to also echo this. One of the things that really irritates me about today's "drama". Watch an old "Starsky & Hutch" tv show, then watch the newer "Starsky & Hutch" movie. In the older show they are partners working together, who appear to like each other, and cooperate. In the movie it's constant bickering. It's also very weak / lazy writing. The drama is artificial, so it completely takes me out of the intended suspense.

I don't know if "48 Hrs." started the trend, I just don't remember any good examples before that. But for so many movies & shows since then, folks who are working together, seem to be always fighting each other since.

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I like min! I hope Aviendha and Elayne look just as good when we see them on the show

I'm curious if they will just skip Elayne all together and have Egwene fill both roles. I like my idea of book Min a lot more than show Min. I would have liked to see them go with someone younger who was more playful/teasing. The actor playing Min seems to just play her as "blah/meh", "I'm edgy!". Dunno, she just doesn't fit for me.

The forced diversity of the folks from Two Rivers and the ageless faces removed from the Aes Sedai aside, I think the actors playing all of the other main roles fit those characters enough for me. I think Min was the first one that didn't feel right.

[jdbond]

It would be Moiraine.. or Nynaeve beating Balzamon

Or Rand might point a lazer of 50 W at "DARK ONE" and we will call it "a great show".

Haaa....I still remember when Mat called Dragon (not Lews Therin Telamon) most powerful male channeler. So ofcourse, Dragon is strong enough to fight "DARK ONE" with a "Sa'angreal" but he is weaker than very strong Nynaever or Egwene.

Another thing to get upset over if you are a woman.

P.S: They have casted Elayne, Aviendha, Selene and Faile. All 4 look better than what you have currently. Ofcourse Aviendha is a blonde and Elayne is a redhead. I kid you not. There is a talk of wig but Aiel might have Black and Chinese people. Selene looks great.

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They are not relying on the fanbase of the books at all though, if you dont read books of which most ppl dont you will not have one single clue what the wheel of time is about, all that matters is the viewers enjoying it and mostly they are, its doing just aswell as the hawkeye series.

Must be why there is little buzz about show and even their "glorified" numbers are mediocre at best. Perhaps WoT readers were delusional thinking book had big fan base and if it translated well on tv, it can left its own impact of modern culture.


Also hawkeye is boring. That and Wanda and...many mediocre nonsense. Loki was best thing they did.

[Xath]

The book fanbase is just a drop in the ocean compared to the amount of ppl who dont like reading books and prefer to watch something. TV/Film adaptations are targeted for the wider audience to make the most money out of it. Its almost impossible to please a fan of a book series when its turned into a TV/film series.

Most ppl wont have a clue the wheel of time is even a book series before they watch it.

The books have sold 90 million copies per book there are still more readers than people who watched all 8 episodes.

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They are not relying on the fanbase of the books at all though, if you dont read books of which most ppl dont you will not have one single clue what the wheel of time is about, all that matters is the viewers enjoying it and mostly they are, its doing just aswell as the hawkeye series.

It's not ratings are plummeting both of critics and base users.

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Mystery Science Theater needs to do a few episodes.

Now that's something I might actually watch or rifftrax which is their newish thing.

[Shadowferal]

Nynaeve: "Moiraine has a tell..."
Lan: "A tell?"
Nynaeve: "A tell."
Lan: "Will you tell me the tell?"
Nynaeve: "I will tell you the tale of her tell."
Lan: "No need to tell the whole tale. You can just tell me the tell."
Nynaeve: "But it's a good tale, and I like telling tales."
Lan: "No need for a tale, just telling the tell is fine."
Nynaeve: "Then I shall tell you the tell without telling the tale."
Lan: "Cool, because I was really starting to run out of ways to say tell."

Ripped from Dragonmount.

[Coniferous]

The books have sold 90 million copies per book there are still more readers than people who watched all 8 episodes.

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It's not ratings are plummeting both of critics and base users.

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Now that's something I might actually watch or rifftrax which is their newish thing.

Not per book, that would be crazy. 90 million total.

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Nynaeve: "Moiraine has a tell..."
Lan: "A tell?"
Nynaeve: "A tell."
Lan: "Will you tell me the tell?"
Nynaeve: "I will tell you the tale of her tell."
Lan: "No need to tell the whole tale. You can just tell me the tell."
Nynaeve: "But it's a good tale, and I like telling tales."
Lan: "No need for a tale, just telling the tell is fine."
Nynaeve: "Then I shall tell you the tell without telling the tale."
Lan: "Cool, because I was really starting to run out of ways to say tell."

Ripped from Dragonmount.

"Then let's talk about our doomed attraction that we can never fulfill, creating tension for future seasons. I can give you a token of my love."
"Eh, let's just bone!"