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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Nynaeve: "Moiraine has a tell..."
    Lan: "A tell?"
    Nynaeve: "A tell."
    Lan: "Will you tell me the tell?"
    Nynaeve: "I will tell you the tale of her tell."
    Lan: "No need to tell the whole tale. You can just tell me the tell."
    Nynaeve: "But it's a good tale, and I like telling tales."
    Lan: "No need for a tale, just telling the tell is fine."
    Nynaeve: "Then I shall tell you the tell without telling the tale."
    Lan: "Cool, because I was really starting to run out of ways to say tell."

    Ripped from Dragonmount.
    Not enough Braid Tugging.

  2. #2402
    Quote Originally Posted by Coniferous View Post
    Not per book, that would be crazy. 90 million total.

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    I'm aware, per book 90/14 is still more than have watched all eight episodes.

    https://dragonmount.com/news/tv-show/s1eotwreview/

    The dmount final review even with mods having a rather iron fist is rather full of negative comments weird almost like it massively strayed from the book to an extent no actual fan could tolerate.
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  3. #2403
    Quote Originally Posted by jdbond View Post
    Must be why there is little buzz about show and even their "glorified" numbers are mediocre at best. Perhaps WoT readers were delusional thinking book had big fan base and if it translated well on tv, it can left its own impact of modern culture.


    Also hawkeye is boring. That and Wanda and...many mediocre nonsense. Loki was best thing they did.
    Amazon Prime is the smallest streaming service available in terms on viewers and its currently doing more than good, if you think hawkeye was boring you dont have very good taste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xath View Post
    The books have sold 90 million copies per book there are still more readers than people who watched all 8 episodes.
    Where are you getting that each copy sold 90million the series as a whole apparently only hit 80m in 2017.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...-selling_books
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfd View Post
    Not enough Braid Tugging.
    I think she like did it once or twice at most in the show

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    Hands down the best series I've seen this year. Not even a competition, tbh.
    What did you like about it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xath View Post
    I'm aware, per book 90/14 is still more than have watched all eight episodes.

    https://dragonmount.com/news/tv-show/s1eotwreview/

    The dmount final review even with mods having a rather iron fist is rather full of negative comments weird almost like it massively strayed from the book to an extent no actual fan could tolerate.
    Funny how the writer dances around the central problem with the plot change by noting that the scenes with Rand were the strongest. Hey, maybe they would have been even stronger if it had followed the plot in the book and made Rand the main character instead of foisting half his job onto Nynaeve and Egwene?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xath View Post
    The books have sold 90 million copies per book there are still more readers than people who watched all 8 episodes.

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    It's not ratings are plummeting both of critics and base users.

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    Now that's something I might actually watch or rifftrax which is their newish thing.
    The wheel of time has been around 40 years so selling 90 million books is nothing compared to what tv/films do, they dont have 90 million readers, if 1 reader each bought the whole series they would have over 6 million but its likely its not that high, the tv series pulled in 15-20 million viewers on amazon which is the smallest streaming service currently so thats very good.

    The wheel of time tv series is rated pretty high and in the top 5 for all metrics atm, so its a pretty decent series currently.

    You can think its not a good book adaptation thats fine but it still a good series to watch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenn9530 View Post
    The wheel of time has been around 40 years so selling 90 million books is nothing compared to what tv/films do, they dont have 90 million readers, if 1 reader each bought the whole series they would have over 6 million but its likely its not that high, the tv series pulled in 15-20 million viewers on amazon which is the smallest streaming service currently so thats very good.

    The wheel of time tv series is rated pretty high and in the top 5 for all metrics atm, so its a pretty decent series currently.
    I think Amazon is likely ok with the current series ratings, but I think the way they adapted this was similar to season 6 of GoT - when they ran out of books, they put too many payoffs in one season then the rest of the series was a mess. I think this series has deviated so far from the plot that they're going to really start to lose the thread next season - most notably by supercharging Nynaeve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    Hands down the best series I've seen this year. Not even a competition, tbh.
    Pretty sure it's against forum rules to troll like that. If it's not a troll name what was great about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenn9530 View Post
    The wheel of time has been around 40 years so selling 90 million books is nothing compared to what tv/films do, they dont have 90 million readers, if 1 reader each bought the whole series they would have over 6 million but its likely its not that high, the tv series pulled in 15-20 million viewers on amazon which is the smallest streaming service currently so thats very good.

    The wheel of time tv series is rated pretty high and in the top 5 for all metrics atm, so its a pretty decent series currently.

    You can think its not a good book adaptation thats fine but it still a good series to watch.
    30 years and no it's not rated highly it's rated in the 7s for critics and much lower for user reviews. Only reason it was top 5 in streaming is nothing else new was out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coniferous View Post
    Funny how the writer dances around the central problem with the plot change by noting that the scenes with Rand were the strongest. Hey, maybe they would have been even stronger if it had followed the plot in the book and made Rand the main character instead of foisting half his job onto Nynaeve and Egwene?
    Oh yeah the actual staff at dmount are either heavily invested or straight up bribed was more talking about the comments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Xath View Post
    Pretty sure it's against forum rules to troll like that. If it's not a troll name what was great about it.

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    30 years and no it's not rated highly it's rated in the 7s for critics and much lower for user reviews. Only reason it was top 5 in streaming is nothing else new was out.

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    Oh yeah the actual staff at dmount are either heavily invested or straight up bribed was more talking about the comments.

    Its nearly an 8 for ratings that is very good, so you ignoring other series like expanse, witcher, discovery, hawkeye, and much more so dont lie saying there is nothing out. Any series that gets 7.5 or above is a pretty good rating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coniferous View Post
    I think Amazon is likely ok with the current series ratings, but I think the way they adapted this was similar to season 6 of GoT - when they ran out of books, they put too many payoffs in one season then the rest of the series was a mess. I think this series has deviated so far from the plot that they're going to really start to lose the thread next season - most notably by supercharging Nynaeve.
    Most ppl dont care if it follows the books or not because they dont read the books, the tv series is the only story they will get from wheel of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xath View Post
    I'm aware, per book 90/14 is still more than have watched all eight episodes. https://dragonmount.com/news/tv-show/s1eotwreview/ The dmount final review even with mods having a rather iron fist is rather full of negative comments weird almost like it massively strayed from the book to an extent no actual fan could tolerate.
    That pic on page 2...lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenn9530 View Post
    Its nearly an 8 for ratings that is very good, so you ignoring other series like expanse, witcher, discovery, hawkeye, and much more so dont lie saying there is nothing out. Any series that gets 7.5 or above is a pretty good rating.

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    Most ppl dont care if it follows the books or not because they dont read the books, the tv series is the only story they will get from wheel of time.
    Agreed, but it’s really hard to do a series like this well when you are also writing the story as you go. It takes discipline to make sure you don’t paint yourself into a corner and show runners don’t always have that long term perspective. I doubt a set of TV writers can do it.

    I think that happened in game of thrones. I think they were supposed to lose a dragon rescuing Bran, but they screwed up and pushed the Hodor scene into season 6, then they got to season 7 and realized, shit, we need a reason for them to go north, so you got the cockamamie “convince Cersei” storyline with Gendry running like a thousand miles in an hour.

    I see similar potential for them supercharging Nynaeve so early, actually making her more powerful than Logain when she should actually barely be channeling at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coniferous View Post
    Agreed, but it’s really hard to do a series like this well when you are also writing the story as you go. It takes discipline to make sure you don’t paint yourself into a corner and show runners don’t always have that long term perspective. I doubt a set of TV writers can do it.

    I think that happened in game of thrones. I think they were supposed to lose a dragon rescuing Bran, but they screwed up and pushed the Hodor scene into season 6, then they got to season 7 and realized, shit, we need a reason for them to go north, so you got the cockamamie “convince Cersei” storyline with Gendry running like a thousand miles in an hour.

    I see similar potential for them supercharging Nynaeve so early, actually making her more powerful than Logain when she should actually barely be channeling at this point.
    I think they really screwed up giving Rand a sa'angreal right off the bat. He can now sneeze and accidentally blast a city off the map, so what are the Forsaken going to threaten him with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frogguh View Post
    I think they really screwed up giving Rand a sa'angreal right off the bat. He can now sneeze and accidentally blast a city off the map, so what are the Forsaken going to threaten him with?
    That's exactly what I'm talking about - doing too much too fast. Saangreals shouldn't be coming into the plot until like season 3 or 4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xath View Post
    The books have sold 90 million copies per book there are still more readers than people who watched all 8 episodes.
    Do you have a source for that? Because everything online points to the 90 million figure being for the entire series and not for each book in the series. According to the wikipedia "List of best-selling books of all time" it would be at number 1 since harry potter only has 500 million copies sold for the series and you are claiming Wheel of Time has over a billion sold (90x14)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frogguh View Post
    I think they really screwed up giving Rand a sa'angreal right off the bat. He can now sneeze and accidentally blast a city off the map, so what are the Forsaken going to threaten him with?
    It should make it all easier to fit in the 72 hours or so they have left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Do you have a source for that? Because everything online points to the 90 million figure being for the entire series and not for each book in the series. According to the wikipedia "List of best-selling books of all time" it would be at number 1 since harry potter only has 500 million copies sold for the series and you are claiming Wheel of Time has over a billion sold (90x14)
    90/14 is still 6.2 mil if every person read the entire series it's almost guaranteed that more people have read eye of the world then finished all 8 episode of rafe of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    It should make it all easier to fit in the 72 hours or so they have left.
    I think you mean 8 this isn't getting past s2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenn9530 View Post
    Its nearly an 8 for ratings that is very good, so you ignoring other series like expanse, witcher, discovery, hawkeye, and much more so dont lie saying there is nothing out. Any series that gets 7.5 or above is a pretty good rating.

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    Most ppl dont care if it follows the books or not because they dont read the books, the tv series is the only story they will get from wheel of time.
    8 is not good especially since you have people spamming 10/10 out of desperation also wticher wasn't out til it was done and lol at discovery and more people have read the books then have watched the entirety of rafe of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xath View Post
    90/14 is still 6.2 mil if every person read the entire series it's almost guaranteed that more people have read eye of the world then finished all 8 episode of rafe of time.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/WoT/comment...ally_doing_an/

    WoT looks like it has maybe 15 million active global viewers (plus or minus 5 million), with over half of them are likely to not be in the US. Viewer engagement is very high (from Parrot Analytics) and retention is very high (via Amazon statement). It has steadily been the second most pirated show of the past few weeks behind Hawkeye.

    tl;dr: Number of active weekly viewers is probably around 15-20 million, but higher is possible. Amazon is almost certainly giving us a season 3 renewal when season 2 finishes filming.



    I think those numbers are greater than 6 million, and you're not accounting for global viewership and casual TV goers who have access to Amazon has far more reach than you're giving it credit for.

    There are plenty of things we can criticize Wheel of Time for. Viewership isn't really one of them right now, when the metrics are absolutely in favour of this doing fairly well.


    Again, want to point out that just because there is a very vocal minority of people with much criticism over the series, the casual viewerbase more than makes up for any perceived 'failure' of the show not doing well. As generic fantasy as this show is, it's popular and viewed regardless of how well adapted the content is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    https://www.reddit.com/r/WoT/comment...ally_doing_an/

    WoT looks like it has maybe 15 million active global viewers (plus or minus 5 million), with over half of them are likely to not be in the US. Viewer engagement is very high (from Parrot Analytics) and retention is very high (via Amazon statement). It has steadily been the second most pirated show of the past few weeks behind Hawkeye.

    tl;dr: Number of active weekly viewers is probably around 15-20 million, but higher is possible. Amazon is almost certainly giving us a season 3 renewal when season 2 finishes filming.



    I think those numbers are greater than 6 million, and you're not accounting for global viewership and casual TV goers who have access to Amazon has far more reach than you're giving it credit for.

    There are plenty of things we can criticize Wheel of Time for. Viewership isn't really one of them right now, when the metrics are absolutely in favour of this doing fairly well.


    Again, want to point out that just because there is a very vocal minority of people with much criticism over the series, the casual viewerbase more than makes up for any perceived 'failure' of the show not doing well. As generic fantasy as this show is, it's popular and viewed regardless of how well adapted the content is.
    Agreed, but to me this just shows how low the bar is for a series like this. I think it's very easy to make a successful TV series out of a series of good fantasy books - I watched Shadow and Bone on Netflix this year and I liked it. When you have a series of books written by a single author, you get a narrative coherence and story progression that is sorely lacking from film (take the recent star wars trilogy as an example).

    What bothers me is that there are so few series like Wheel of Time, and each time one is adapted I think they have the opportunity to make something really good.

    Basically it feels like Rafe was given a huge inheritance from his dad (Jordan) and he's screwing around with it, but it doesn't matter because it's really hard to fail when you have such a good setup.

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