[TV] The Wheel of Time

[Xath]

Sorry, but what? Since when do you call the adventures of a bunch of people in their early Twenties a "coming of age" story...... like, you missed the mark by a good half decade or more there friend. A "coming of age" story is about a kid growing into being an adult, not an adult becoming slightly more worldly because they are forced to leave home.....

If true, it also sounds like they are going to completely skip the whole Betrayal / Enslaved by the Seanchan story arc for Egwene, since her and Nynaeve spend a grand total of like a week "traversing being Novices" in the book before that all went down if memory serves.

Going to be really interesting to see if Rafe has the balls to actually properly do Seanchan society, with the leashed ones and slave servitude that makes the absolute worst moments of the american south look positively friendly by comparison. Somehow I get the feeling that he won't get even vaguely close to the books. Wonder if they will actually do the "monster" elements of their army. Seem to remember they had the giant evil Toad things (Grolm?) and some kind of Lizard/Chocobo type critter as combat animals in parts of their forces.

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Well, to be fair, he never actually went "completely" hostile against the tower on his own though. The Consolidation of Randland under Hawkwings "Empire" never involved the White Tower, and he ruled that Empire for nearly 20+ years before he was manipulated into his crusade against the Tower by one of the forsaken.

I am also not sure it's really appropriate to call the stuff that wend down on the Seanchan continent a contest between Aes Sedai either. Just because you are able to channel doesn't make you Aes Sedai, and even if they still went by the title, there's a pretty good case to be made that "Aes Sedai of the Tower" and "Rogue Aes Sedai" from other places are two separate things.

The original story was a coming of age story however rafe of time aged up the characters and basically got rid of any innocence they have so it certainly isn't anymore.

Also the white tower doesn't hold supremacy it has a lot of power and influence but there are countries that are not under their sway and those that pay lip service as well. If the white tower held supremacy many of the events that happen in the books couldn't happen because it would be aes sedai puppets being displaced rather than rulers which would bring the full weight of the tower down on the replacer.

[Mazza]

The original story was a coming of age story however rafe of time aged up the characters and basically got rid of any innocence they have so it certainly isn't anymore.

Also the white tower doesn't hold supremacy it has a lot of power and influence but there are countries that are not under their sway and those that pay lip service as well. If the white tower held supremacy many of the events that happen in the books couldn't happen because it would be aes sedai puppets being displaced rather than rulers which would bring the full weight of the tower down on the replacer.

Agree 100% There is no meaningful character growth at all in season 1 (don't mention the waste of time the Stephen arc was)... as for challenging female supremacy, that is not what Hawking did. He went for the Aes Sedai, not for women in particular and not BECAUSE they were women.

Also, I get that Hawking's feats are in the past at the time of season 2, but the white tower doesn't feel like it has any supremacy at all in the show. There is a whitecloak inquisitor operating in the open under the white tower's very nose. That doesn't sound like an organisation that projects any signficant power. Imo they are actually portrayed a bit to weak.

[kenn9530]

The original story was a coming of age story however rafe of time aged up the characters and basically got rid of any innocence they have so it certainly isn't anymore.

Also the white tower doesn't hold supremacy it has a lot of power and influence but there are countries that are not under their sway and those that pay lip service as well. If the white tower held supremacy many of the events that happen in the books couldn't happen because it would be aes sedai puppets being displaced rather than rulers which would bring the full weight of the tower down on the replacer.

Why are you so mad about the tv series being more popular and entertaining than the book series, you are not going to get the story from the book no matter how much you complain about it, WoT isnt the most interesting story as it is, shanara chronicles is a much better story and world.

[Nurasu]

shanara chronicles is a much better story and world.

Agreed, just like NASA Kids Club has much better gameplay and graphics than Star Citizen.

[Surfd]

Why are you so mad about the tv series being more popular and entertaining than the book series.

Not that I should have to point this out, but it's a bit of a stretch to conclusively argue that the TV series is "more popular and entertaining" than the book series when we have absolutely no way to realistically quantify how much of that "popularity" is due to the simple fact that TV is a vastly more accessible and easier to consume form of media VS written books. Being able to binge watch WoT in a weekend while only half paying attention to what's going on isn't exactly a great measurement of if a thing is actually "popular", regardless of how many people might actually watch it, if we have no idea why they are watching it.

[kenn9530]

Agreed, just like NASA Kids Club has much better gameplay and graphics than Star Citizen.

Star Citizen is superior gameplay to all space games that are similar so try again

[jdbond]

Not even a mention of Matt or Perrin? Woe to my wolf brother. Also agree they are really pushing Arthur to look like he hates woman rather the who the character was, oh agenda media.

This. I noticed the absence of names. This is a "female" show. Even though Rand is Dragon Reborn and hence, Rafe is forced to carry the name, expect little screen time. Season 2 will show even more Moiraine with Egwene and Nyaneve stealing rest of the screen time.

Season one was coming of age story for women, I suppose. Men were useless at best.

To fight off madness, Rand went to a cosmopolitan city and not some isolated forest? Ofcourse, this world has no map so don't expect people to understand where Falme even is or how Rand managed to reach it from Blight since he...doesn't know where it is. Even Witcher has better world building which is funny since Witcher has zero world building.

Alright. Hawking left instructions that are being executed 1000 years later: Burn WT to ground. Funny, Hawking wanted to destroy Aes Sedai. Seanchan want to enslave them. Different turning this is. Cool.

Clearly, Hawking is a man hence trying to fight these kindly women of WT. Women are good.

I do wonder if they will make Seanchan a male empire because you know, ....

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This is good news.

Now it'll get cancelled for sure

Nah..From looks of it, they have received a budget cut. With smaller budget, on prime, they can survive with smaller fanbase..for show.

[kenn9530]

Not that I should have to point this out, but it's a bit of a stretch to conclusively argue that the TV series is "more popular and entertaining" than the book series when we have absolutely no way to realistically quantify how much of that "popularity" is due to the simple fact that TV is a vastly more accessible and easier to consume form of media VS written books. Being able to binge watch WoT in a weekend while only half paying attention to what's going on isn't exactly a great measurement of if a thing is actually "popular", regardless of how many people might actually watch it, if we have no idea why they are watching it.

TV is superior entertainment and much more popular since it has the largest audiance, a book just cant beat the amount of ppl who can just watch a tv series since a tv series is easy to access, most ppl dont really care about the story as long as the show is enjoyable so it can be bad or good it doesnt matter.

[jdbond]

Why are you so mad about the tv series being more popular and entertaining than the book series, you are not going to get the story from the book no matter how much you complain about it, WoT isnt the most interesting story as it is, shanara chronicles is a much better story and world.

No need to question your intelligence..Right!

This is hilarious sh..t! I am guessing Transformer movies are your dream come true?

[Nurasu]

Star Citizen is superior gameplay to all space games that are similar so try again

Mine's a fact, not an opinion, so try again. Am I doing it right?

[molliewoof]

TV is superior entertainment and much more popular since it has the largest audiance, a book just cant beat the amount of ppl who can just watch a tv series since a tv series is easy to access, most ppl dont really care about the story as long as the show is enjoyable so it can be bad or good it doesnt matter.

just because more people watch tv than read books doesnt mean its superior.

Mcdonalds sell the most burgers in the world id imagine but they are not the best ones.

id agree that tv is easier to get into and more throw away but that doesnt make it superior imho, i mean how often do you get adaptations where the main thoughts of the audience are 'yeah well better than the book'? for me its probably only fight club

[Xath]

Not that I should have to point this out, but it's a bit of a stretch to conclusively argue that the TV series is "more popular and entertaining" than the book series when we have absolutely no way to realistically quantify how much of that "popularity" is due to the simple fact that TV is a vastly more accessible and easier to consume form of media VS written books. Being able to binge watch WoT in a weekend while only half paying attention to what's going on isn't exactly a great measurement of if a thing is actually "popular", regardless of how many people might actually watch it, if we have no idea why they are watching it.

Just block the star citizen truther makes life so much better.

[kenn9530]

Mine's a fact, not an opinion, so try again. Am I doing it right?

If yours is a so called fact you dont have a clue what good gameplay is, the actual fact is star citizen is better gameplay than any other game thats even remotely similar.

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No need to question your intelligence..Right!

This is hilarious sh..t! I am guessing Transformer movies are your dream come true?

Shanara Chronciles world is better, more interesting magic, world and story, Wheel of Time story overall is not that interesting at all, the wheel of time story overall sucks compared to many others.

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just because more people watch tv than read books doesnt mean its superior.

Mcdonalds sell the most burgers in the world id imagine but they are not the best ones.

id agree that tv is easier to get into and more throw away but that doesnt make it superior imho, i mean how often do you get adaptations where the main thoughts of the audience are 'yeah well better than the book'? for me its probably only fight club

It does mean its superior, its creates more money, more entertainment for more ppl that helps generate money to make other tv series, books are just for a small niche and thats it.

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Just block the star citizen truther makes life so much better.

Just because you have failed over and over again to prove any sort of point, you are just mad you didnt get the tv series you thought you wanted.

[molliewoof]

It does mean its superior, its creates more money, more entertainment for more ppl that helps generate money to make other tv series, books are just for a small niche and thats it.

so you would agree that mcdonals makes superior burgers?

[kenn9530]

so you would agree that mcdonals makes superior burgers?

McDonalds make a good burger, if it makes more money than even the best tasting burger then it is far superior, whatever makes more money and gets to the most ppl is the most superior product.

[Mazza]

McDonalds make a good burger, if it makes more money than even the best tasting burger then it is far superior, whatever makes more money and gets to the most ppl is the most superior product.

If you actually live by that logic I feel damn sorry for you. Anyways, to the ignore list you go.

[kenn9530]

If you actually live by that logic I feel damn sorry for you. Anyways, to the ignore list you go.

Its just simple logic, if something makes more money and interests far more ppl then that product is simply better, your logic circuits seem to be broken if you think a book series could ever compete with tv in terms or money and entertainment.

[Shadowferal]

So when this show gets canceled in the coming months this will be shown to be as "successful" as the Shannara Chronicles.

[kenn9530]

So when this show gets canceled in the coming months this will be shown to be as "successful" as the Shannara Chronicles.

Some of the best tv shows get cancelled after 1 series so a show getting cancelled or not has no reflection on the actual show itself, there is not many fantasy genre tv series that get to last a long time, the WoT story itself is not that interesting anyway and thats the only reason if a show gets many seasons or not. The viewer doesnt need to care about the story at all for a tv show to be good.

[Shadowferal]

Some of the best tv shows get cancelled after 1 series

Look kid, I realize you're young but most good shows have an audience that drive up the best reasons to keep them going. And they all relate to making money.
And this show is expensive. And if there isn't much of an audience then there isn't enough reason to throw any more money.