[TV] The Wheel of Time

[rhorle]

I don't think it's a fake announcement, I'm pretty sure they think their onto a winner given the amount of engagement with S1. I also suspect they will be bringing new actors in for season 3 so want to have them in place.

Of course they think they are onto a winner. The metrics indicate that and the entire reason we are discussing something right now is the constant hate that can't handle it being a winner. They also don't have to announce a Season 3 in order to "reserve" actors for a Season 3.

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Exponentially diminishing viewer metrics are not a positive sign for engagement.

Most shows have exponentially diminishing viewer metrics when episodes are done releasing. That isn't a smoking gun like you think it is.

[Xath]

Of course they think they are onto a winner. The metrics indicate that and the entire reason we are discussing something right now is the constant hate that can't handle it being a winner. They also don't have to announce a Season 3 in order to "reserve" actors for a Season 3.

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Most shows have exponentially diminishing viewer metrics when episodes are done releasing. That isn't a smoking gun like you think it is.

Dishonest as usual exponentially diminishing metrics while the show was airing. Back to blocked you go no tolerance for someone as dishonest as you.

[rhorle]

Dishonest as usual exponentially diminishing metrics while the show was airing. Back to blocked you go no tolerance for someone as dishonest as you.

It wasn't exponentially diminshing while the show was airing. The only dishonest ones are the haters that can't handle the truth of the show having success.

https://twitter.com/aflameinthevoid/...11793939927040
https://twitter.com/aflameinthevoid/...54726094372867
https://www.thegreatblight.com/post/all-about-nielsen

[kenn9530]

Exponentially diminishing viewer metrics are not a positive sign for engagement.

You do know shows are not dependant on initial viewers right, the initial numbers are but a small fraction of the amount who actually watches the show over a long period of time, if there was not enough ppl watching it to make it worthwhile then they wouldnt renew the series at all let alone 3 seasons, your just still salty you didnt get it the way you wanted it.

[Nynax]

By the time season 3 rolls around, you are going to need to squint really hard to spot anything that resembles the plot from the books. They have already gone so far off course in the first season that it'd probably be less effort to come up with their own IP than try and herd this thing back onto a course that resembles the book.

Exactly why I haven't bothered to watch any of it. I'm willing to admit to being a book purist for this specific series. Just reviewing the first 5 episodes and you could see the writing on the wall, the whole thing is gunna be like a bad anime adaptation that cuts out half the manga's character development and fills in the gaps with tropes. They've already skipped some of my favorite moments, I'm sure they'll skip more...imagine retelling retelling Warcraft 3 and cutting out Stratholm; that's what it feels like.

[Mace]

When I first heard they were making the show I thought, hey they finally picked a series that's just kind of naturally woke so they won't need to shoehorn things in, but lol was I wrong.

Yeh, woke has gone from what it was to some new extreme. I think it's because some cultist like crazy people have literally gone off the rails in their zealotry. Okay, tha'ts not new, what's new is that they're in charge of making stuff.

SO now, i'ts not woke enough until ti ascribes to their extreme views.

[Logwyn]

Yeh, woke has gone from what it was to some new extreme. I think it's because some cultist like crazy people have literally gone off the rails in their zealotry. Okay, tha'ts not new, what's new is that they're in charge of making stuff.

SO now, i'ts not woke enough until ti ascribes to their extreme views.

And if you start fighting back against it... Oh the insults and demeaning you will endure.

[Mace]

And if you start fighting back against it... Oh the insults and demeaning you will endure.

They accept no other narrative, and have become some of the most intolerant people. They dont care about greater things like, equality, justice, right - they will do anything to advance their cause and convert people to their way of thinking - how dare you resist.

[Logwyn]

They accept no other narrative, and have become some of the most intolerant people. They dont care about greater things like, equality, justice, right - they will do anything to advance their cause and convert people to their way of thinking - how dare you resist.

I just hope they don't screw up the Battle of Dumai's Wells.... such a powerful scene in the books.

[Shadowferal]

I just hope they don't screw up the Battle of Dumai's Wells.... such a powerful scene in the books.

You imagine you'll get a "Black Tower?" That's funny.

[Biomega]

I just hope they don't screw up the Battle of Dumai's Wells.... such a powerful scene in the books.

If your hope is "I hope they don't screw up <insert thing from the books> in this show", then I got bad news for you, fam

[Corvus]

I just hope they don't screw up the Battle of Dumai's Wells.... such a powerful scene in the books.

Women being made to kneel before a man? Yeah, that's not happening.

[Nymrohd]

At this point I do feel they wanted to do their own show but it so closely resembled WoT that they just slapped Wheel of Time onto it lol. I wouldn't have half minded if they had a show coming to Amazon that was 'like WoT', rather than being a bad WoT adaptation. Season 1 was hard to keep up with. I stand by the opinion that Season 1 should have covered half of book 1, not the whole book. Eight episodes was not enough. Not to mention that gutted halfway through the season for their own personal story for some reason, like which could have been used to fit more of the book you left out... Its frustrating, so frustrating lol

I mean if they wanted to do a female and Moiraine focused show, they could have done "A New Spring" first. The prequel book that is almost full female cast, all about Moirane

[Orby]

I mean if they wanted to do a female and Moiraine focused show, they could have done "A New Spring" first. The prequel book that is almost full female cast, all about Moirane

I mean that was hardly the issue for me. My biggest problem was cramming a whole book into an eight episode show, when in season 1 should have only managed half of book 1. If there is any fault due to lack of screen time for Rand it was probably because of the amount of stuff they cut.

[Mazza]

I mean that was hardly the issue for me. My biggest problem was cramming a whole book into an eight episode show, when in season 1 should have only managed half of book 1. If there is any fault due to lack of screen time for Rand it was probably because of the amount of stuff they cut.

Not to mention trying to cram in EXTRA stuff that only served to stroke the ego of the show runners because ofc they know oh so much better than Jordan did >_<

[Orby]

Not to mention trying to cram in EXTRA stuff that only served to stroke the ego of the show runners because ofc they know oh so much better than Jordan did >_<

I do think this was the one time where the show runners felt they had no faith in the source material to carry the show on its own, and wanted to do their own thing, not that they hated the sourse material but felt like they could do better and wanted to do their own thing, or maybe liked parts of what the story represented and not the whole thing, I don;t like pulling out the 'they don;t care' card, cos despite what we think I do think they do care to an extent just because the show wouldn't be made otherwise. But I do feel there is a superiority complex among studios today where they have to make themselves feel better than the author and think 'how can we make this better than the source material' or 'we are better than the source material'.

The one episode that comes the closest to being faithful to the books is the second episode which is my favourite episode, I explained and gushed here
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...f-Time/page162
Shadar Logoth is the only place that felt better than I imagined from the books. Its true I do feel if the show was allowed more episodes for the season that the Shadar Logoth part should have been a full episode and not 30 minutes as seen in the show. But its the one point where it looked like the showrunners at least cared about it. After that its all down hill.

as mentioned that middle extra episode with their new inserts had little impact on me, the show and did nothing except show me that the show was wasting time. I felt like season 1 probably only highlighted 40% of book 1. At least. The plot just moved so fast it was like taking a tour in a mansion and just exploring the hallways so you can get to the end quickly without looking at the rooms.

wheel of time season one is going to be a mystery to me and always will, I can't really speculate, but its biggest issue was being only 8 episodes. I do think 16 episodes should have been done for Eye of the World.

If The great Hunt is also crammed into 8 episodes I will likely not watch. They cannot do it, I have no faith.

Also I know there are a lot of people who love the show so don't let my comments distract you. You continue loving the show, and I wish I could have also.

[Mazza]

I do think this was the one time where the show runners felt they had no faith in the source material to carry the show on its own, and wanted to do their own thing, not that they hated the sourse material but felt like they could do better and wanted to do their own thing, or maybe liked parts of what the story represented and not the whole thing, I don;t like pulling out the 'they don;t care' card, cos despite what we think I do think they do care to an extent just because the show wouldn't be made otherwise. But I do feel there is a superiority complex among studios today where they have to make themselves feel better than the author and think 'how can we make this better than the source material' or 'we are better than the source material'.

I am not saying they don't care about their show. I am saying that they don't give a shit about the source material. If it was up to me (and it very obviously is not, nor does everybody agrees with me on this) Rafe and co should be sacked and never let near an existing IP again...

The one episode that comes the closest to being faithful to the books is the second episode which is my favourite episode, I explained and gushed here
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...f-Time/page162
Shadar Logoth is the only place that felt better than I imagined from the books. Its true I do feel if the show was allowed more episodes for the season that the Shadar Logoth part should have been a full episode and not 30 minutes as seen in the show. But its the one point where it looked like the showrunners at least cared about it. After that its all down hill.

... except for the people that did the Shadar Logoth design. Because I agree, they sure as hell got that one right.

[Gumble]

If The great Hunt is also crammed into 8 episodes I will likely not watch. They cannot do it, I have no faith.

Oh its so much worse than that.... S2 is supposed to cover nearly all of books 2 and 3. The great hunt will be 4-5 episodes. Just imagine.


As for the first season. I think if they had 10 episodes (and an ounce of respect for the story) someone else could have done it well. Rafe cannot do it, but someone with talent could have.

Here is a episode summary I literally just made thinking of how you could easily split the book up, have important episodes where each one ends in a cliffhanger or action "event". This is so blatantly easy that their inability to do this is astounding.

1- Should have given us a 10 minute prologue where we meet LT and Ish. Then the rest of the episode should have been Winternight. Use episode 1 to introduce us to all the characters, actually make us LIKE Emond's Field and the people in it instead of making it a craphole full of awful people. End on the farm, right as the door gets broken in by trollocs.

2- Rand's travel through the woods all the way to crossing the Taren. Give time for Moraine's speech and actually feel the real leavetakings of the kids (should have really been 16-18 year old actors who could grow into these parts) as they are forced to leave their home. Finish on Moraine sinking the ferry.

3- 10 minutes of traveling and Lan/Moraine teaching. The rest Baerlon. Cliffhanger on them leaving and the Whitecloaks confronting them.

4- Shadar Logoth and the battle prior to it. Finish on the boys and Thom getting onto the ship and Perrin and his horse going into the water.

5- Elyas, wolves, Bayle. Give time for the scenes with Nynaeve and Lan to breath (let us actually start liking them). Let us see the other kids connecting with parts of the world that open it up. End with Fade in Whitebridge and meeting the tinkers for Perrin and Egwene.

6- Let Rand/Mat travel, less made up barmaid Darkfriend and more tenseness between them because of Mat's dagger. Tinkers into ravens for Perrin. End with Rand calling lightning to escape Gode and Whitecloaks spotting Perrin/Egwene under that rock.

7- Rand/Mat get to Caemlyn, meet Loial, Rand goes to see Logan being brought in. Perrin/Egwene deal with Whitecloaks. End of episode Rand falls over wall and Perrin/Egwene rescued.

8- Rand's adventures with the royals that tells us alot about him. Moraine and company get to Caemlyn. Travel the ways. End with escaping Machin Shin and arriving in Shienar.

9- Fal Dara and the journey into the Blight. Let this episode explain more about Lan and his past. Spend time at Malchier and really make us care about Lan/Nynaeve and not make him into someone that would sleep with her and still brush her off. Have the rush through the Blight and end with them meeting the Green Man.

10- Green Man brings them to the Eye, explains more about the world to help with world building. Then have the fight with the Forsaken, the battle at Tarwin's Gap, and RAND actually throwing the power against the trollocs. End with them all riding back through fresh growth of spring to Fal Dara.




Also, I really wish they would not have tried to base the show around Moraine. I get the concept of getting a known actor to try to entice people to watch the show, but they failed pretty hard in that because

A) Moraine isn't in alot of the story, which means they need to force massive changes and cut characters who matter more (Verin) just to use the actress they paid for
B) It detracts from our ability to see the story as the EF5's story, which it IS, because we have to see it from the "big name actress" 's POV.
C) She isn't that well known, or that good of an actor, so I doubt anyone bothered to tune in (or stay tuned in) due to her.

The story should have focused on the Emond's Fielders.

[jdbond]

There won't be a "great hunt" as Rand is already in Falme. Not sure why such expectations? This show is "inspired" by WoT. It is not an adaptation.

[Orby]

Oh its so much worse than that.... S2 is supposed to cover nearly all of books 2 and 3. The great hunt will be 4-5 episodes. Just imagine.

Oh fudge it.