[TV] The Wheel of Time

[Nymrohd]

I'd also assume most people listening to audiobooks are not listening to "In Search of Lost Time". It's probably mostly used for light "reading"?

[Witchblade77]

The first time I read Dostoevsky, it was 800-900 pages. I did it in 10 hours. I am a fast reader, but assume you're a slow reader - and it takes you 50 pages an hour for 16-18 hours.

The audiobook is 37 hours long. You'd have to read at a snail's pace to take that long to read this book. 25 pages an hour, which is hilariously slow.

And I'm sure that some people learn better with audio. I have no problem with that. What I take issue with is the idea that people are sitting around for 37 hours listening a book and solely focusing on the book - like when you physically read it. I'm sure if aural learners do that, it may indeed be better. But that's not how 99% of audiobooks are consumed, even by those who learn better aurally.

I've never known someone who uses audiobooks to behave in that fashion. It's always a background thing, going on while driving, or doing something else on a different monitor, or while on an exercise bike. This is a strictly worse method of retention, no matter how good your multi-tasking is, or how you manage your ADHD. This has been studied. People who "read" a book via audiobook retain less of the book that those who physically read it.

that may be so, but when you do not have time to sit down and solely focus on a physical book which is the case for a LOT of people, some retention is better then NO retention. or if you have a variety of eyesight etc issues that make it difficult to hold a book whether paper or digital. Audio books are not an inferior mode, they are an accessibility aid. (not to mention reading books out loud to young children is how you instill the love of reading among other things to begin with)

[Rennadrel]

And literally no one cares because season 1 was a disaster class in how not to adapt a beloved fantasy series.

[Xath]

‘The Wheel of Time’ Season 2 Adds Four Cast Members for Recurring Roles

Lol they can't even make the Aiel look homogenous at least not with the supposed Aviendah casting what a joke. Didn't know the Aiel were super open to tons of people joining them.

[rhorle]

Lol they can't even make the Aiel look homogenous at least not with the supposed Aviendah casting what a joke. Didn't know the Aiel were super open to tons of people joining them.

I don't know why you act surprised when it has already been established that the show is more diverse then the books. There really is no reason to rehash diversity-based arguments.

[Gumble]

‘The Wheel of Time’ Season 2 Adds Four Cast Members for Recurring Roles

Meh. More rafing of the story people loved.

At least they didn't waste as much money ruining this property as they did with LOTR.

[Fabinas]

Meh. More rafing of the story people loved.

At least they didn't waste as much money ruining this property as they did with LOTR.

Those showrunners are ruining the semblance of TV career they thought they had. And all that for that sweet Amazon cash.

I suppose they will do just so they can finish the series with as much money as they can, cause it will be difficult for those people to find jobs again, unless heavily connected.

[Rennadrel]

Those showrunners are ruining the semblance of TV career they thought they had. And all that for that sweet Amazon cash.

I suppose they will do just so they can finish the series with as much money as they can, cause it will be difficult for those people to find jobs again, unless heavily connected.

Hollywood is all about failing upwards these days. Doesn't help that Amazon Studios is run by someone who has clearly herself, failed upwards. Because any company that cares about success and profitability wouldn't let these talentless hacks piss away money on things that aren't drawing an audience that exceeds their programs budget.

[rhorle]

Hollywood is all about failing upwards these days. Doesn't help that Amazon Studios is run by someone who has clearly herself, failed upwards. Because any company that cares about success and profitability wouldn't let these talentless hacks piss away money on things that aren't drawing an audience that exceeds their programs budget.

How did she fail upward? It is crazy the things people concoct to try and justify their silly hate of a show, studio, or "leader".

Over the past two decades, Salke has established herself as one of the most prolific executives in the industry, being a major force behind some of television's most successful comedy and drama series, including This Is Us, Modern Family, The Blacklist, Superstore, and The Good Place, as well as Dick Wolf's hugely successful Chicago franchise.

Prior to joining Amazon, Salke was President of NBC Entertainment for seven consecutive years, where she was responsible for comedy and drama development, current programming, casting and diversity programming initiatives, as well as the entirety of Universal Television operations. Salke served as Executive Vice President of Creative Affairs at Twentieth Century Fox Television, after joining Twentieth Century Fox as Senior Vice President of Drama Development in 2002. Salke began her career at Aaron Spelling Productions in the early 1990s.

[SpaghettiMonk]

Lol they can't even make the Aiel look homogenous at least not with the supposed Aviendah casting what a joke. Didn't know the Aiel were super open to tons of people joining them.

And I guess they're on book 4 in season 2?

Increasing the pace and mashing the big scenes together is a sign of showrunners who aren't confident in their series. You need some small stakes episodes to let the characters grow and the plot to build. If it's done well it can be the some of the best parts of the series, like the Hound and Arya moments in Game of Thrones. These guys are going to have Rand taking tear (climax of the third book) happen sometime in the middle of season 2, after the Seanchan invasion and before the giant battle with Asmodean in Rhuidean (or else they're just skipping huge swaths of plot).

[rhorle]

And I guess they're on book 4 in season 2?

Season 2 covers plot from The Great Hunt (book 2) and The Dragon Reborn (Book 3).

[Xath]

And I guess they're on book 4 in season 2?

Increasing the pace and mashing the big scenes together is a sign of showrunners who aren't confident in their series. You need some small stakes episodes to let the characters grow and the plot to build. If it's done well it can be the some of the best parts of the series, like the Hound and Arya moments in Game of Thrones. These guys are going to have Rand taking tear (climax of the third book) happen sometime in the middle of season 2, after the Seanchan invasion and before the giant battle with Asmodean in Rhuidean (or else they're just skipping huge swaths of plot).

I think they are legit going to entirely skip Egwene being leashed the only people they have defending them now would start absolutely spitting venom at seeing a young black woman collared and leashed. We already know that those still defending this trash don't have a clue about the actual source material.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I think they are legit going to entirely skip Egwene being leashed the only people they have defending them now would start absolutely spitting venom at seeing a young black woman collared and leashed. We already know that those still defending this trash don't have a clue about the actual source material.

I won’t defend it as a good direct adaptation but I’ll defend it as an decent not great fantasy show or a very loose/based on adaption and I’m all for seeing every moment of Egwene leashes and even extending it a bit given that Matt likely wont be as big as he was in the second book given that they pretty much just wrote him off in the first season.

[rhorle]

I think they are legit going to entirely skip Egwene being leashed the only people they have defending them now would start absolutely spitting venom at seeing a young black woman collared and leashed. We already know that those still defending this trash don't have a clue about the actual source material.

They have already changed them to a gag and gorget. There is no reason to start inventing an argument about people you don't like just so you have something to rage about. Just move on from the show instead of going out of your way to get angry.

[Corvus]

I don't know why you act surprised when it has already been established that the show is more diverse then the books. There really is no reason to rehash diversity-based arguments.

The books were plenty diverse. The whole point about the Aiel was that they stood out due to their appearance so much so that Rand kept on being mistaken for one. Remove that and the whole thing about Rand might as well not exist.

[Delekii]

Yay, more ragemode posting about how bad the series is, to supplement my entertainment along with the series that was a total hit during its first season!

Queue the utter cognitive dissonance that is the people on this forum talking about tv series and their relative popularity!

[rhorle]

The books were plenty diverse. The whole point about the Aiel was that they stood out due to their appearance so much so that Rand kept on being mistaken for one. Remove that and the whole thing about Rand might as well not exist.

Right. The show did remove it so it is silly to rehash it. Some of the people here will still be complaining about diversity with Season 3.

[hulkgor]

Looking forward to it.

Has some flaws, sure, but it's highly entertaining and i hope it sticks along for its planned duration.

[Katchii]

Yay, more ragemode posting about how bad the series is, to supplement my entertainment along with the series that was a total hit during its first season!

Queue the utter cognitive dissonance that is the people on this forum talking about tv series and their relative popularity!

It's an absolutely terrible adaptation of the Wheel of Time books, that doesn't make it a bad show and obviously doesn't prevent it from being a hit, but it's butchering the source material.

[Ragedaug]

Right. The show did remove it so it is silly to rehash it. Some of the people here will still be complaining about diversity with Season 3.

The show is rehashing the bad decision, season after season, so people are going to rehash the complaint about why they don't like it. It doesn't mean they are "raging". I'm not "raging". I just don't care for the show. Forced diversity is one of the reasons, but for me a minor complaint.

If the only issue was the forced diversity, I would still watch the show, but the writing is pretty horrible, and the plot is a mess with how they are trying to follow the book while flippantly changing whatever they feel like, so plot holes and contradictions abound. So that's what makes it unenjoyable for me.

But yeah, the diversity breaks immersion for me. If you look at our own Earth a few hundred years back, there was little to no diversity in any small isolated area on the planet. The books had tons of diversity, but like our world, the differences were associated to geographical regions. With only horse travel and walking, isolated people aren't going to have diverse representation from every continent. So as I noted, it breaks immersion when the show can't explain why an isolated village, that's been isolated for centuries, is completely diverse. Would have been like see Wakanda with a bunch of Europeans and Asians. Or seeing Ip Man with a bunch of Europeans and Africans. I would have had the same complaint, because it would not have made sense.