[TV] The Wheel of Time

[Surfd]

I want to say the balefire happened first so if that counted it would likely be then though I can’t say I remember if they ever address balefire undoing stuff and magical links like with the horn.

Balefire literally burns your thread completely out of the pattern. Everything your thread was responsible for just no longer "is" once you are burned out by balefire. It's why even the forsaken are scared of it.

However, I am pretty sure that it is mentioned that people are aware of the ripples caused by removing a thread from the pattern this way, in a sort of dejavu like way where they subconsciously know something is not quite how it used to be.

The thing with Matt is the question of if undoing his "death" from the Darkhound poison means he is treated as never having died in the first place in which case, the horn would still be bound to him, or if it counts as changing something that did happen, in which case the link to the horn is broken because he was dead and now isn't.

I would lean more towards the latter given the as mentioned subconscious feeling that he knows something was changed.

[Xath]

Oh boy, it is sad just how far Elayne fell. Her first appearance is one of the very best bits in The Eye of the World - can't believe they cut that bit from the show. Seriously, Rand's adventured in Caemlyn were great, right down to his meeting with the Queen, which is when you first find out just how major a heron-marked blade was.

Nah man we gotta have a warder funeral can't show holy crap Tam was a badass

[rhorle]

Balefire literally burns your thread completely out of the pattern. Everything your thread was responsible for just no longer "is" once you are burned out by balefire. It's why even the forsaken are scared of it.

It is proportional to the power used. So only the stuff up to a certain point are erased from the pattern.

As for his death and when the horn was broken in was when his death from the prophecy was fullfilled (The death by Rahvin undone by Rand). The below quote is taken from theoryland

Interview: Apr 15th, 2013
Reddit AMA 2013 (Verbatim)
Shillster ()
Why did Mat's death break the bond with the Horn when his death was reversed with balefire? Wouldn't it also reverse the breaking of the bond?
Brandon Sanderson
This is one where I just let Team Jordan lead. They told me why the bond had been broken, and that the other death didn't count. It was straight from RJ's mouth, but was not included in the notes, so we just had to work with what we had.

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There's a great theory online called Taimandred where people speculate that Taim was supposed to be Demandred and Jordan changed it because too many fans were guessing it.

That seems unlikely and just copium from those who couldn't handle an author saying that theory wasn't true.

Interview: Sep 3rd, 2005
DragonCon Report - Isabel (Verbatim)
Isabel
Was Taimandred a deliberate ruse to lead your readers astray, or were you surprised (by the all of the theories connecting Taim to Demandred)?
Robert Jordan
I was surprised but I wasn't going to disabuse you of it for a while, I like to watch you squirm.

[eschatological]

Isn't the second picture Isla Fischer? Like....it would be insanely expensive to cast an actual movie star for one character?

[Orby]

Isn't the second picture Isla Fischer? Like....it would be insanely expensive to cast an actual movie star for one character?

We'll find ourselves a bootleg Isla Fischer on the cheap somewhere :P

Also I think people hold beauty to high standards these days. I think the actor playing Elayne is very beautiful, like WTF.

[Shadowferal]

Isn't the second picture Isla Fischer? Like....it would be insanely expensive to cast an actual movie star for one character?

Katherine McNamara.

[Nymrohd]

Oh boy, it is sad just how far Elayne fell. Her first appearance is one of the very best bits in The Eye of the World - can't believe they cut that bit from the show. Seriously, Rand's adventured in Caemlyn were great, right down to his meeting with the Queen, which is when you first find out just how major a heron-marked blade was.

Elayne suffered from the same issue that Perrin did. She got stuck in a plot that moved at a glacial pace during the slowest books of the series. At least Perrin got his redemption in the Sanderson books when he mastered his ability as a Dreamer and frankly became stronger than anyone but Rand. Meanwhile Elayne just didn't have much value to the plot past a point and fell behind the original three women of the plot (Moirane after returning, Egwene and Nynaeve were all just amazing in the last few books); heck even Aviendha got her time in the spotlight in the last few books when she crosses the arches to become a Wise One and gave us a glimpse at a very grim future.

But yeah Caemlyn was great. It was a refreshing change of pace after the very dark chapters with Mat and Rand that preceded it, it gave Rand a much better chance to shine and set him up in the plot much better. As did Perrin and Egwene's Whitecloak/Wolfbrother adventure.

[Shadowferal]

Seriously, Rand's adventured in Caemlyn were great, right down to his meeting with the Queen, which is when you first find out just how major a heron-marked blade was.

You should've gotten that bit about the blade when white cloaks visited the inn earlier, and backed way off. (Or did that happen later? Time for a reread...)

[Nymrohd]

For the porn parody maybe. Jesus that bottom girl is 99% makeup and fake eyelashes.

I rather have realisticly beautiful people in my tv shows than them making everything look like every cahracter spends 3 hours every morning putting on makeup and grooming.
Those fantasy tv shows in the 90s and earlie 2000s had that problem. Every women looked like she just walked out of a photoshoot where 5 people put her in 2 tons of makeup and every male was clean shaven everywhere but the head.

There is space in WoT for people that just look unreal anyway. Lanfear should look unreal. Graendal's circus should be people that look photoshoped. Heck Rand turns heads everywhere in the books even before people know who he is. But yeah, Elayne could absolutely be the first girl. Just . . .with a better wig.

[bledgor]

We'll find ourselves a bootleg Isla Fischer on the cheap somewhere :P

Also I think people hold beauty to high standards these days. I think the actor playing Elayne is very beautiful, like WTF.

Isn't the girl from the Dare Devil show a red head? Feel like she wouldn't be too pricy and could do the part. Though damn guess that was a few years ago and she will have aged a bit since then.

[Shadowferal]

Isn't the girl from the Dare Devil show a red head? Feel like she wouldn't be too pricy and could do the part. Though damn guess that was a few years ago and she will have aged a bit since then.

She's near 40yrs old. (Deborah Ann Woll)

Elaine was described as a younger version of her mother, who is described as drop dead gorgeous with a lush figure.

[bledgor]

She's near 40yrs old. (Deborah Ann Woll)

Elaine was described as a younger version of her mother, who is described as drop dead gorgeous with a lush figure.

Crazy to me that show started almost 10 years ago now.

[Shadowferal]

Crazy to me that show started almost 10 years ago now.

The chemistry between Karen Page and Frank Castle was quite poignant to me.

[eschatological]

Crazy to me that show started almost 10 years ago now.

I mean Deborah Ann Woll was in True Blood like a decade before Daredevil too. That's when she was actually young.

[Gumble]

Isn't the second picture Isla Fischer? Like....it would be insanely expensive to cast an actual movie star for one character?

Nah, this girl (literally the first one I picked off "pretty CW actress red gold curls" google search) was in Arrow as his daughter (seasons I didn't get to, but she is still quite attractive)

For those saying that picture was too much makeup, do a google search of her on your own.



^ I could see that for Elayne no problem.


^ Or if you wanted her blonder



However, the point is that even the CW, that BASTION OF TV EXCELLENCE ...... can manage to find attractive people to play in shows watched by a tiny fraction of people. How is it that Amazon finds people that are 5s and 6s at best to play characters that are supposed to be amazingly attractive.



And, understand, I am by no means saying they should have cast THAT actress. She is just an example of someone who is easily in their price range (the CW is bankrupt and could afford her) and blows everyone out of the water in their entire show. I mean I assume they WANT people to watch it, and shocker, people like seeing attractive people on the screen, especially when they character is described as stunningly attractive.

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She's near 40yrs old. (Deborah Ann Woll)

Elaine was described as a younger version of her mother, who is described as drop dead gorgeous with a lush figure.

I always saw Morgase as Christina Hendricks (once I knew who she was)..... not that she'd likely be in reach for a show like this....

[Nymrohd]

However, the point is that even the CW, that BASTION OF TV EXCELLENCE ...... can manage to find attractive people to play in shows watched by a tiny fraction of people. How is it that Amazon finds people that are 5s and 6s at best to play characters that are supposed to be amazingly attractive.

CW pretty much survives on hot people showing skin.

[Gumble]

We'll find ourselves a bootleg Isla Fischer on the cheap somewhere :P

Also I think people hold beauty to high standards these days. I think the actor playing Elayne is very beautiful, like WTF.

I guess it depends on your standards..... I went to the gym this morning. It wasn't crowded. I saw at least 3 girls prettier than anyone on WoT just there working out...... and I don't live in a place that is chock full of gorgeous people.

I could understand if they were amazing actors who really nailed their parts.

If

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CW pretty much survives on hot people showing skin.

Can we hire some of those hot people to play the RJ described hot people in Wheel of Time? I can't imagine they'd be that expensive. They don't even have to show that much skin, just look like anyone would actually notice them.

[Nymrohd]

Can we hire some of those hot people to play the RJ described hot people in Wheel of Time? I can't imagine they'd be that expensive. They don't even have to show that much skin, just look like anyone would actually notice them.

Well in the books Rand cannot keep his shirt on

[TirielWoW]

Yes and the white cloaks, aes sedai, and seanchan are the ones that would make sense to be non homogenous that said I don't think hatred creates a culture personally if anything they are much more similar to the kkk and other hate groups.

Hating out groups can absolutely be part of a culture. It doesn't necessarily spark a culture, but it can absolutely be part of a culture's mores and values.

[Corvus]

What the heck is that meant to be?

And an Aiel with dreadlocks?