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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimbold21 View Post
    I know it's not on LOTR levels, but is there even any nudity or explicit sexual descriptions in the WoT books? All that comes to mind right now is a vague recolection of Perrin describing his gf/wife's fierce nature in bed.

    Edit: Oh and of course Rand's women chasing after him, and feeling in them when the others are having sex and all that.

    Also, this whole "time to see men naked now" is just the recycling of the garbage about "it's just not the same when it's men". They must've forgotten that GoT starts out, on the very first episode, with the Stark boys being clean shaved and having their six packs shown on screen. I supposed they also forgot that behind Daenerys, there's a big buffed dude ramming away, but it doesn't matter cause...... boobs? Christ...

    There's just no pleasing this crowd. Here's arguably one of the most progressive pieces of fantasy - in the sense that the scales of power are reversed - and what do they do? Let's make it even MORE "progressive". What a bunch of insipid, hypocritical fools.
    If the article actually says what he claims, would like to read it. Havent come across anything on this topic on WOTs subreddit and they usually have most if not all news in there

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    Must have been this article mentioned earlier, managed to find it on reddit:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...heel-Time.html

    "Rosamund Pike has revealed that her new feminist fantasy series The Wheel of Time will show 'more naked men than women'.

    The actress, 42, said it was 'quite pleasing' to readdress the nudity imbalance 'since women have been asked to expose themselves forever and a day.'"

    "She told The Radio Times: 'You see many more naked men than you see naked women, which is quite pleasing, since women have been asked to expose themselves forever and a day.

    'We've got all the boys frantically dieting and working out hard for their naked scenes and all of the women going out for lovely dinners.'"



    If theres nothing more then this, doesnt really rile me up much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kreuger View Post
    If the article actually says what he claims, would like to read it. Havent come across anything on this topic on WOTs subreddit and they usually have most if not all news in there

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    Must have been this article mentioned earlier, managed to find it on reddit:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...heel-Time.html

    "Rosamund Pike has revealed that her new feminist fantasy series The Wheel of Time will show 'more naked men than women'.

    The actress, 42, said it was 'quite pleasing' to readdress the nudity imbalance 'since women have been asked to expose themselves forever and a day.'"

    "She told The Radio Times: 'You see many more naked men than you see naked women, which is quite pleasing, since women have been asked to expose themselves forever and a day.

    'We've got all the boys frantically dieting and working out hard for their naked scenes and all of the women going out for lovely dinners.'"



    If theres nothing more then this, doesnt really rile me up much.
    Jesus christ...

    That view only works if you start with the false premise that men's bodies aren't showcased in media as well. As I said, it's the whole thing about it not mattering because apparently men aren't sexualized in the same way. What in the world is it then, when their bodies are plastered all over media?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimbold21 View Post
    Jesus christ...

    That view only works if you start with the false premise that men's bodies aren't showcased in media as well. As I said, it's the whole thing about it not mattering because apparently men aren't sexualized in the same way. What in the world is it then, when their bodies are plastered all over media?
    Well, doesnt matter to me atleast, if they want to showcase a few more naked men for the sake of it, go ahead.
    Cant really be bothered, as long as they are dedicated to the story and follow the important things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kreuger View Post
    Well, doesnt matter to me atleast, if they want to showcase a few more naked men for the sake of it, go ahead.
    Cant really be bothered, as long as they are dedicated to the story and follow the important things.
    Well, this is the same situation with the recent Blizzard changes. The principle matters, and it should matter even more when it impacts the story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimbold21 View Post
    Jesus christ...

    That view only works if you start with the false premise that men's bodies aren't showcased in media as well. As I said, it's the whole thing about it not mattering because apparently men aren't sexualized in the same way. What in the world is it then, when their bodies are plastered all over media?
    That's because all this side is interested is in tit for tat, not true progression, just reversal. It was never true racism free, just race reversal, gender reversal not equality or progressing past objectification - male or female. And media is sexualised enough, it would have been nice to have a great show where that wasn't a focus at all.


    And according to the appendices on a new spring, they are pronouncing some of the names wrongly... Moiraine is Moy-rain but rather Mwah (as in French moi)-raine.

    She isn't Ee-gwene, it's actually Eh-gwaine , if I remember correctly. At least Nynaeve's name is pronounced how the author intended it. I only picked this up because I read the pronunciations rather differently until I saw that Appendices in New Spring novel. It wasn't easy reversing years of reading their names differently, but I did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimbold21 View Post
    Well, this is the same situation with the recent Blizzard changes. The principle matters, and it should matter even more when it impacts the story.
    Cant see how a few barechested men changes the story though ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kreuger View Post
    Cant see how a few barechested men changes the story though ?
    It was more in reference to the general progressive tone of the show, and it's intention to galvanize those undertones even more because.....reasons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimbold21 View Post
    It was more in reference to the general progressive tone of the show, and it's intention to galvanize those undertones even more because.....reasons?
    If they go with a very progressive tone that changes the books telling of the story im aboard your concerns. But cant say anything regarding that untill the show is out.

    Doesnt seem like they are going that way from articles/clips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mace View Post
    That's because all this side is interested is in tit for tat, not true progression, just reversal. It was never true racism free, just race reversal, gender reversal not equality or progressing past objectification - male or female. And media is sexualised enough, it would have been nice to have a great show where that wasn't a focus at all.
    True enough. For anyone paying enough - or maybe too much - attention to this stuff, they'll know that for some progressives, it was never about equality, rather tipping the scales in the opposite direction.

    But as we know as well, they get away with because A) the groups favourably mediatised are those from historically oppressed groups and B) the overwhelmingy majority of the audience is completely oblivious to these heated discussions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimbold21 View Post
    I know it's not on LOTR levels, but is there even any nudity or explicit sexual descriptions in the WoT books? All that comes to mind right now is a vague recolection of Perrin describing his gf/wife's fierce nature in bed.
    Nope.
    Nothing explicit at all. I suspect Jordan's wife may have disapproved since she helped edit the books.
    We do get a lot of naked people when events turn towards the Aiel and the Seanchan. But nothing suggestive of anything sexual with implications that all was simply normal. Which it would be fir those societies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kreuger View Post
    If the article actually says what he claims, would like to read it. Havent come across anything on this topic on WOTs subreddit and they usually have most if not all news in there

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    Must have been this article mentioned earlier, managed to find it on reddit:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...heel-Time.html

    "Rosamund Pike has revealed that her new feminist fantasy series The Wheel of Time will show 'more naked men than women'.

    The actress, 42, said it was 'quite pleasing' to readdress the nudity imbalance 'since women have been asked to expose themselves forever and a day.'"

    "She told The Radio Times: 'You see many more naked men than you see naked women, which is quite pleasing, since women have been asked to expose themselves forever and a day.

    'We've got all the boys frantically dieting and working out hard for their naked scenes and all of the women going out for lovely dinners.'"



    If theres nothing more then this, doesnt really rile me up much.
    Yup - that's the article! (or one of them - when I went looking I found the same article by the one writer - up all over).

    And it doesn't 'rile' me up either. As I said, even the 'mentioning the dragon could be female' doesn't really 'rile' me up as I'm willing to see if its a one-off comment or not.

    It just ...a weird comment to make. That about anything you could be talking about with your show - here's what you throw out. And I'm certainly not saying she may have had 10 minutes of comments and this is the one the writer decided to pull out (we don't know - this is all that's ever mentioned). Its just... and odd thing to focus on with a show like this. An odd thing to bring up, at all.

    I'd think the same thing if she had said 'more hats' instead of nudity.

    "Of all the things to focus on - to talk about with your new show - to bring in viewers - and this is important enough to you (Pike) to mention above those other things? - Why?"

    Obviously, 'worst case scenario' for the show - If the director is focusing on aspects of the series (or making them up) that aren't relevant to the fans of the series, we'll get a crap adaptation. I just find these 'one off comments' to be more telling about someone than the more purposeful/scripted interviews (and more telling than a three minute trailer only showing snippets of conversations).

    But whether it really matters at the end of the day - we won't know until we watch! =D Just 'things that make me go hmmm...' (or more Whhaa?)

    But riled? Nah... adaptations of books don't matter to me enough to get me ...well... any type of negative emotion other than 'disappointed' =D.
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    This is shaping up to be as bad as Frank Miller's Cursed adaptation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kreuger View Post
    If the article actually says what he claims, would like to read it. Havent come across anything on this topic on WOTs subreddit and they usually have most if not all news in there

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    Must have been this article mentioned earlier, managed to find it on reddit:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...heel-Time.html

    "Rosamund Pike has revealed that her new feminist fantasy series The Wheel of Time will show 'more naked men than women'.

    The actress, 42, said it was 'quite pleasing' to readdress the nudity imbalance 'since women have been asked to expose themselves forever and a day.'"

    "She told The Radio Times: 'You see many more naked men than you see naked women, which is quite pleasing, since women have been asked to expose themselves forever and a day.

    'We've got all the boys frantically dieting and working out hard for their naked scenes and all of the women going out for lovely dinners.'"



    If theres nothing more then this, doesnt really rile me up much.
    I love the idea that men don't go through insane workout routines for movies lmao
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kreuger View Post

    Another teaser dropped today aswell

    https://twitter.com/thewheeloftime/s...778206208?s=21
    The entire focus of marketing seems to have been around the females. Twitterati is not going to be happy when they find out who the Dragon and the main characters are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koriani View Post
    Yup - that's the article! (or one of them - when I went looking I found the same article by the one writer - up all over).

    And it doesn't 'rile' me up either. As I said, even the 'mentioning the dragon could be female' doesn't really 'rile' me up as I'm willing to see if its a one-off comment or not.

    It just ...a weird comment to make. That about anything you could be talking about with your show - here's what you throw out. And I'm certainly not saying she may have had 10 minutes of comments and this is the one the writer decided to pull out (we don't know - this is all that's ever mentioned). Its just... and odd thing to focus on with a show like this. An odd thing to bring up, at all.

    I'd think the same thing if she had said 'more hats' instead of nudity.

    "Of all the things to focus on - to talk about with your new show - to bring in viewers - and this is important enough to you (Pike) to mention above those other things? - Why?"

    Obviously, 'worst case scenario' for the show - If the director is focusing on aspects of the series (or making them up) that aren't relevant to the fans of the series, we'll get a crap adaptation. I just find these 'one off comments' to be more telling about someone than the more purposeful/scripted interviews (and more telling than a three minute trailer only showing snippets of conversations).

    But whether it really matters at the end of the day - we won't know until we watch! =D Just 'things that make me go hmmm...' (or more Whhaa?)

    But riled? Nah... adaptations of books don't matter to me enough to get me ...well... any type of negative emotion other than 'disappointed' =D.
    In all fairness, that could just be the dailymail highlighting that, because it is divisive and a or raunchy - and it gets the more clicks. Who knows what else she said that they didn't bother to print, it is also likely they framed the question too to get such a response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimbold21 View Post
    True enough. For anyone paying enough - or maybe too much - attention to this stuff, they'll know that for some progressives, it was never about equality, rather tipping the scales in the opposite direction.

    But as we know as well, they get away with because A) the groups favourably mediatised are those from historically oppressed groups and B) the overwhelmingy majority of the audience is completely oblivious to these heated discussions.
    That's the thing isn't it, the majority of the audience is oblivious to what is going and why. But the the screechers have always had a louder bark than bite.

    I have a sneaky suspicion that some of these over the top changes are going to cost them millions. The sad thing is because it's so hard to actually measure these things, as long as you are fairly successful, the clever producers can spin a story and lay the blame at other things like "toxic fandom" - which is just b/s. Sadly investors and board members just lap it up, because they're not clued in at all to what is really going on, and main stream media currently backs up the crazies even when they are being ridiculous.

    All it will take is one brave studio, to actually do things right and well, and watch how their numbers out strip everyone else's. Then investors will start thinking a litle beyond the lies they're being force fed by their managers and producers just wanting to keep their jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyris Flare View Post
    I love the idea that men don't go through insane workout routines for movies lmao
    Haha, indeed, we just don't moan and bitch about it and how unfair it is, nor do we constantly compare ourselves to what the other side does and how they don't have to sweat half as much to be screen ready.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    The entire focus of marketing seems to have been around the females. Twitterati is not going to be happy when they find out who the Dragon and the main characters are.
    Big assumption that they will still be the same at this point.

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    Big assumption that they will still be the same at this point.
    I’m a surprising twist of events (to no one) Egwene turns out to actually be the Dragon Reborn, because we are just not woke enough here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorshen View Post
    This is shaping up to be as bad as Frank Miller's Cursed adaptation.
    It's gonna be a battle between this, Cowboy Bebop and One Piece for biggest pile of trash adaptation ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mace View Post
    I’m a surprising twist of events (to no one) Egwene turns out to actually be the Dragon Reborn, because we are just not woke enough here.
    Oh I'd love to see that because I know the fanbase would come out of the woodwork to rail on Rafe and Rosamund in spades. WoT fans have been itching for a series or films since before I ever read the books, they'll be livid if they try and ruin Robert Jordan's work. I don't think Brandon Sanderson or Harriet McDougal would escape criticism either because they've green lit everything that's been done.

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    Like I said, these hypocritical nutbags ultimately win, because the the vast majority of a tv audience is oblivious to both these debates AND the source material. If the show is successful, they get to claim their insipid narrative is appreciated. If it's not, they pull now the tiresome "it's the audience's fault"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimbold21 View Post
    Like I said, these hypocritical nutbags ultimately win, because the the vast majority of a tv audience is oblivious to both these debates AND the source material. If the show is successful, they get to claim their insipid narrative is appreciated. If it's not, they pull now the tiresome "it's the audience's fault"
    Don't forget they yell about sexism.

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