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    So I bit the bullet and restarted the novels while I wait for other books to come out, and man do they stand up less then I remembered.

    The writing of the first book is painfully dry and wooden and the exposition feels painfully unnatural and out of place every where but Lan’s back story, it feels like a first time DM front loading there first session thinking people will leave other wise.

    On the shows front I can see why they would want to make some of the changes they did but the execution is still super sloppy and while a fair chunk of the book should have been cut they went way to far and the show just flat out needed more episodes.
    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    So I bit the bullet and restarted the novels while I wait for other books to come out, and man do they stand up less then I remembered.

    The writing of the first book is painfully dry and wooden and the exposition feels painfully unnatural and out of place every where but Lan’s back story, it feels like a first time DM front loading there first session thinking people will leave other wise.

    On the shows front I can see why they would want to make some of the changes they did but the execution is still super sloppy and while a fair chunk of the book should have been cut they went way to far and the show just flat out needed more episodes.
    Always felt that the Wheel of Time, when it comes to literary quality is just average for fantasy (I won't say below average because there is so much trash out there). But what always stuck to me is that he manages to make you care for his characters and that's a talent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Always felt that the Wheel of Time, when it comes to literary quality is just average for fantasy (I won't say below average because there is so much trash out there). But what always stuck to me is that he manages to make you care for his characters and that's a talent.
    Ya id agree to that, while the writing it self isn’t great most of the characters still come across rather well for the most part even if some take a Bit to get going.
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    The first book is a little bit slower, which makes it odd they decided to change or simply remove the best bits of it.

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    wow Rand got shafted to top right. Not that I would complain if Gandalf ever got put front and centre over Frodo or Aragorn :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orby View Post
    https://www.tvinsider.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/wheel-of-time-season-2-art.jpg

    wow Rand got shafted to top right. Not that I would complain if Gandalf ever got put front and centre over Frodo or Aragorn :P
    How could any one complain over this glorious poster!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    How could any one complain over this glorious poster!

    that is a glorious poster i will admit. Also that movie is under rated. while very flawed, it has some damn cool moments and animation I like :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    The writing of the first book is painfully dry and wooden and the exposition feels painfully unnatural and out of place every where but Lan’s back story, it feels like a first time DM front loading there first session thinking people will leave other wise.
    A lot of great works are not always written well. I've seen the same said about Dune. A great story that is well regarded for the story part but often cited as an example of how not to write by people teaching others to write. As people become more experienced in what is and is not considered good for writing they notice the flaws. Or if that "new car" effect wears off they might notice them as well.

    Terry Pratchet references that a little bit in a quote about Tolkien.

    "I read Tolkien now and notice the gaps, the evasions, all the 'bad' things... but few books have had the effect on me that TLOTR had when I was thirteen. Is he better or worse, for example, than Anita Brookner, widely regarded as a 'fine writer' although terribly dull to read? What is a writer supposed to achieve? "
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    A lot of great works are not always written well.I've seen the same said about Dune. A great story that is well regarded for the story part but often cited as an example of how not to write by people teaching others to write. As people become more experienced it what is and is not considered good for writing they notice the flaws. Or if that "new car" effect wears off they might notice them as well.

    Terry Pratchet references that a little bit in a quote about Tolkien.

    "I read Tolkien now and notice the gaps, the evasions, all the 'bad' things... but few books have had the effect on me that TLOTR had when I was thirteen. Is he better or worse, for example, than Anita Brookner, widely regarded as a 'fine writer' although terribly dull to read? What is a writer supposed to achieve? "
    I can’t say I disagree, for all the first books writing is rather painful I did still enjoy the story and hopefully that will keep up atleast until the later books which I remember falling off.

    Wot was also the first book series I went through for ever ago and I can’t say I remember any of the flaws in its styling back then but after going through 200 or so books since then it stands out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orby View Post
    that is a glorious poster i will admit. Also that movie is under rated. while very flawed, it has some damn cool moments and animation I like :P
    I know it’s not the best LoTR movie by any quality standards but I’d be damned if it wasn’t my favourite by a mile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orby View Post
    SNIP

    wow Rand got shafted to top right. Not that I would complain if Gandalf ever got put front and centre over Frodo or Aragorn :P
    Unfortunately this reflects the focus of the TV series versus the focus of the books. In the books Rand is our central viewpoint character (until the party splits of course). Moiraine is the mysterious stranger we don't know if we can trust.

    If you read the Shannara books (forget the tv series), it's the same way. The focus is on Shea Ohmsford (and his subsequent lineage). Not Allanon. And it should never be Allanon.

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    Season 2 is going to flop so hard. People watched season 1 out of curiosity, with most viewers failing to finish it because it was so bad, and WoT fans generally being annoyed with how much they butchered the story. Frankly you'd need 16-20 episodes at an hour each in order to properly tell the story, and we know that isn't happening. Thankfully production on this abortion of a show has ceased thanks to the strike. I won't at all be surprised if it gets cancelled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rennadrel View Post
    I won't at all be surprised if it gets cancelled.
    It has already been renewed for Season 3 and began filming in April 2023. It might not get a season 4 but it would be rare to not get Season 3. Though the writer and now actor strike is likely impacting the show.

    Do you have evidence to back up that most people failed to finish? Or rather that it was outside of industry norms? Remember even a highly praised show like Arcane only saw a 60% completion rate according to leaked information.
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    wow Rand got shafted to top right. Not that I would complain if Gandalf ever got put front and centre over Frodo or Aragorn :P
    Wow that looks awful that composition is just painful also looks out of focus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    So I bit the bullet and restarted the novels while I wait for other books to come out, and man do they stand up less then I remembered.

    The writing of the first book is painfully dry and wooden and the exposition feels painfully unnatural and out of place every where but Lan’s back story, it feels like a first time DM front loading there first session thinking people will leave other wise.

    On the shows front I can see why they would want to make some of the changes they did but the execution is still super sloppy and while a fair chunk of the book should have been cut they went way to far and the show just flat out needed more episodes.
    I had the opposite experience. I was amazed at how incredibly well written the story was. And how engaging the plot is.

    It reminded me that this book has inspired and being used as a blueprint for many stories that followed, but it still holds up.
    Perhaps even a lot more so because of all the trash.

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    My last read-through I got half way through Fires of Heaven and had to stop, because that's when the story starts to drag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mace View Post
    I had the opposite experience. I was amazed at how incredibly well written the story was. And how engaging the plot is.

    It reminded me that this book has inspired and being used as a blueprint for many stories that followed, but it still holds up.
    Perhaps even a lot more so because of all the trash.
    The story it self isn’t the issue the story is good (Mabye a bit bloated), it’s how the book itself is actually written with the whole thing being rather stiff outside of a few standout moments.

    The story only starts to drag down near the mid point is I remember correctly.
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    I am unsure as to why anybody would submit themselves to a second season of this, especially after the awful finale of season 1.

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    I am unsure as to why anybody would submit themselves to a second season of this, especially after the awful finale of season 1.
    So edgy.

    That said, i'm pretty confident you'll eventually watch it, so, you know, you can bash it a bit more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hulkgor View Post
    So edgy.

    That said, i'm pretty confident you'll eventually watch it, so, you know, you can bash it a bit more.
    Ok. So you liked the season 1 finale? I know that they partly had the excuse that they were filming it during covid, but even then it is all over the place.

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