[TV] The Wheel of Time

[rhorle]

The show is dead. But they can keep throwing money in the trash. I guess starting a new world order and culture costs money, you can't be in it for the immediate profit.

Lol, what? Sony is starting a new world order with this show?

[Mace]

The issue is if sometimes isn't set to the standards they have made up in the current year, than it not only is dated, but a problem they need to "solve". What that means is they take timeless pieces of work like Tolkien, like Jordan and remove all the aspects that made them timeless, then try to rewrite them, but because they have not even 1% the time you get million dollar trash.

Indeed.. not realising that many of us who read these stories, in the current time and age we are born, enjoy them for what they are, even though written before most of us were born or could read (in the case of Jordan's books).

We don't need them "fixing it for us", if I born half a century after Tolkien and cenuries after shakespare can still appreciate or enjoy their work, I don't need it "Modernised" for me. WHats weird is that they know how popular the original works are, which means a video version if done true to the original is guaratneed an already huge following.

BUt by altering to fix it,s they like to think, they ruin what most people read and liked, an they are so arrogant to think they can do a better job than the author, and deluded into thinking they need to fix it..ecause the truth it, it doesn't follow their ideals and their agenda. They are activists, they've converted a totally normal and woke book into an agenda idelogical work adapted to the modren ultra fem and intersectional feminist view points.

All those changes fit the current narrative from these socio political groups and their new religion, all the changes we see in the film. They calim they are fixing it for modern audiences, is a lie, (they've possibly told themselves), no they're chanigng it to preach their values and their point of view as if the authors' ones are wrong and harmful, and not good for the audience, so they must change it. WE don't want any of that male stuff now, it's everything that's wrong with entertainment, we wanna show powerful women running everything, becuase how Jordan did it, isnt' good enough. You want to do it right, here is how you do it. First we have to make a woman the centre of the show, let's make it baed on Moiraine (the female GAndalf( instead, then lets make the girls really powerful and be the ones to always lead and correct the men.

Let's make the men incapable too, to show that it is possible for women to run the world right and be the ones on top - because they are weird and they think funny shit like that. because it's their agenda.


They ar fixing things no one or most peole don' think iis borken, only extreme or ultra feminists think it's borken and shouldn't be this way.

They also want to make it like Game of Thrones, but this book was never Game of Thrones, it's the Wheel of Time. IT does have it's game of throne like moments, they could have instead brought those out more from the author's work, instead they've erased most of the charm and good things from the original work and replaced them with exactly what evey other show us, ore meaningless sex and violence.. at least the books gave compelling reasons a kin to real life why wars happen and violence occurs. Not just to show off your new girl boss

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Lol, what? Sony is starting a new world order with this show?

I dont know what sony are doing, but it's clear to see what the show runners and writers of this piece of trash are doing.

[rhorle]

I dont know what sony are doing, but it's clear to see what the show runners and writers of this piece of trash are doing.

How can you not know what Sony is doing if you know all the secrets to this new world order? Sony (with the help of Amazon) are the ones that continue to bankroll the writers and show runners.

[jdbond592]

Let it go people! I stopped watching the show. You should too. I suppose it has found its intended target. It might be enough.

There are plenty of other shows to watch! Good ones!

[Gadfly]

Let it go people! I stopped watching the show. You should too. I suppose it has found its intended target. It might be enough.

There are plenty of other shows to watch! Good ones!

That's not the problem really, the issue is that this will taint the brand. And we won't get a faithful or good series or movie on the books for a very long time.
Even if this is doing good enough to get new seasons, it isn't popular enough to warrant other movies and series.

This should not have been called the THE Wheel of Time series. Maybe just something vaguely WOT adjacent.
"The world according to Moraine"
"What if? WOT was terrible"
"Tire of the ages"

[rhorle]

That's not the problem really, the issue is that this will taint the brand. And we won't get a faithful or good series or movie on the books for a very long time. Even if this is doing good enough to get new seasons, it isn't popular enough to warrant other movies and series.

There is a animated prequel in the works. There is another film that was announced in 2021 but not much is known. The show is doing just fine and has generated interest in the subject.

https://wheeloftime.fandom.com/wiki/...animated_film)

https://wheeloftime.fandom.com/wiki/...Legends_(film)

[Shadowferal]

That's not the problem really, the issue is that this will taint the brand. And we won't get a faithful or good series or movie on the books for a very long time. Even if this is doing good enough to get new seasons, it isn't popular enough to warrant other movies and series.

The problem is the billionaire with far too much money to burn.

[rhorle]

The problem is the billionaire with far too much money to burn.

Who is the billionaire from Sony?

[Mace]

It's very clear this show is targeted at a female audience, expanding all the roles of the female characters and making the men worse/evil. I am curious about Lanfear though, are they going to actually let her be evil or make it Lew Therin's fault in the end? But like a lot of the changes, it's not worth getting upset about anymore, just one of those things that won't change about this show. I don't mind female centred fantasy, I just have to remember that this isn't actually Wheel of Time and it's mostly ok at this point.

I'm not so sure, there seems to be a systematic coordinated effort to target global appeal franchises, and insert the messaging. There are a LOT of men that are fans of Wheel of Time, Star Wars, Star trek. Off course they have female fans, but there aren't that many things that draw in large quantities of men as well as women.

When you want to spread your message, you copt popular franchises, and send your message through them. Did WOT need to be woke? Absolutely not, it was already woke.. so why all these changes? To ell the boys, that you can't have this, women are in charge now, girls run the show and they can. this is how you behave. also this is how you treated women, it's our turn now etc.

This is not coming from all women, or even most women, it's the ideology from fringe cultist like fanatics who think they are helping humanity by promoting female supremacy and it's the only way women are going to get better. And the absolute shocking thing is that there are some men who believe them and think this is for a good cause. We call them ultra feminists, 4th gen feminists, because they are not what feminism has ever bene about, and have warped it to the fringe takes it is now.

So they don't care about your story, they don't care about your IP, they care about their messaging, what they want to preach to you. How you should view women, gender, sex etc, because these shows mostly are terrible,, with terrible plots or lines, and when they are adaptations, they changed when there was no need to, and all the things inserted say a very very specific message you hear them holding up placades and chanting at protests or promoting as c rights, or y rights.

They have swung so far into unhinged extreme territory, they don't care about equality, justice, or fairness for all. No. it's replacement time. you and I response is to not fund them, expose them them, and refute them. Please do not go hating on women because of a few extremists, on black people because of a few extremists, on LGBT people because of the activist ones amongst them.. clearly they are minorities who've bene jumping at the opportunity many of us have opened in trying to achieve a fairer world, but have TOTALLLY sabotaged our work to take it to this extreme.

And theya re using great stories and favourite IPS to do this.. it's all about hte messaging.

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How can you not know what Sony is doing if you know all the secrets to this new world order? Sony (with the help of Amazon) are the ones that continue to bankroll the writers and show runners.

Stop talking nonsense man, - you are trying to put words in my mouth. You and i both know that these activists (which I suspect you are one) are doing, inserting messaging into shows and changing them to preach their beliefs and ideals, rather than tell the toreis theya re supposed to be adpating.

This is what religious zealots of the worse and false cult kind do. And they believe it's the right thing. then have the nerve to say they are bringing tit to "modern audiences". I am modern audiences, they are not bringing it to modern audiences, they are just pushing their world view in material they didn't write and they didn't cerate because they are widely popular. So they are using these IPs, and franchises as a platform for their nonsense.

And guess what, people aren't buying into their nonsense. Their shows are tanking, shows that should be making billons and garnering more fans, are dwindling as most people are catching the bs and don't like it.

Off course it hurts them, they've fooled themselves into thinking, because of their isolated self created bubble and because of their enormous hubris and egos, that everyone thinks the way they do and see things as they do, and just can't believe that no, most people do not, so the reason they attribute their failure to save their jobs, is create nonsense like fandom menace, and calling the public, that whose money their bosses actually want - all kinds of names.

It's an excuse to shift blame, and that some of them genuinely think this shows how deluded they are.

I mean look at the nonsense we are getting in Wheel of Time, the changes , the rubbish male characters, the ridiculous female characters, blown out of proportion of what Jordan wrote. and you want to kid yourself there isn't an agenda and messaging, and who is putting it there? is it not the people re-writing the story and runnign the show? who else would be doing it? activists creatives.

[Fabinas]

Who is the billionaire from Sony?

And here, people, you see the dishonesty of the poster.

I guess others don't need explanation why. If they do, i will be happy to reply to them. Not you.

[rhorle]

And here, people, you see the dishonesty of the poster.

How is it dishonest to ask them to explain who the billionaire is? Jeff Bezos is no longer CEO of Amazon. He doesn't call the shots at Sony. Sony partnered with Amazon to make the show.

https://www.sonypictures.com/tv/thewheeloftime

[Lorgar Aurelian]

And here, people, you see the dishonesty of the poster.

I guess others don't need explanation why. If they do, i will be happy to reply to them. Not you.

I don’t know shit about Sony, are they owned by some one who would want to keep a series like this going? There Japanese owned no?

[Fabinas]

I don’t know shit about Sony, are they owned by some one who would want to keep a series like this going? There Japanese owned no?

In February 2021, Bezos announced that in the third quarter of 2021 he would step down from his role as CEO of Amazon to become the Executive Chairman of the Amazon Board.

nuff said.

[rhorle]

In February 2021, Bezos announced that in the third quarter of 2021 he would step down from his role as CEO of Amazon to become the Executive Chairman of the Amazon Board. nuff said.

It is crazy the lengths some of you go to push a conspiracy that Wheel of Time is personally funded by Mr. Bezos. That he buys off Amazon and Sony. Has there even been an indication that Mr. Bezos cares about the show?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

In February 2021, Bezos announced that in the third quarter of 2021 he would step down from his role as CEO of Amazon to become the Executive Chairman of the Amazon Board.

nuff said.

So that would be around season 1 release no? meaning he wouldn't still be burning money two years later on this season or any further? Or is he still burning money from his lower position?

[Fabinas]

Lower position? Anyone thinking Bezos isn't running Amazon is delusional.

At any rate, noone was talking about Sony when "The problem is the billionaire with far too much money to burn." was mentioned.

Anyone not getting that reference is feigning ignorance and is dishonest.

[rhorle]

At any rate, noone was talking about Sony when "The problem is the billionaire with far too much money to burn." was mentioned.

You can't ignore Sony though since they are involved in the show. So it isn't just an Amazon board member potentially abusing their position but a second company involved in the pay off to keep the show going no matter what. That Mr. Bezos has a personal interest in the show.

The simpler reason is you, and the other, are just wrong. The show is getting funding and a third seasons because it hits enough of the metrics to deserve it. No secret billionaire puppetmaster. No conspiracy.

[Fabinas]

Your ignorance is showing.

Sony gets money from the show being made.

Amazon (Well, Jeff, actually) has decided that they will go through with the show.

Noone talked about conspiracy or puppetmasters. Oh, sorry, you did. Deal with it. Alone.

[Triceron]

Bezos literally called for a 'Game of Thrones', and within a few years of making that statement we have Wheel of Time and Rings of Power fully developed and with many seasons planned for each. Is it so much of a conspiracy to say Bezos cares about these shows?

[rhorle]

Your ignorance is showing. Sony gets money from the show being made. Amazon (Well, Jeff, actually) has decided that they will go through with the show. Noone talked about conspiracy or puppetmasters. Oh, sorry, you did. Deal with it. Alone.

Amazon would have to pay sony otherwise how is Sony getting money from the show? You are the one pushing this theory that Mr. Bezos is personally forcing the show to be made. That he is attached to the show or has an interest in it to force Amazon to continue to bank roll it (or pay out of his own pocket). Mr. Bezos has forced Sony to stay in the partnership.

Remember, you are defending the statement of another poster that a billionaire has way to much money to burn. That is a conspiracy.