[TV] The Wheel of Time

[Gumble]

Can't blame them though, this show has so much of the stuff they hate - diversity and powerful women

The books had that in spades..... how do you figure they like one but not the other?

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The Seanchan aren't dark friends. Evil, yes, but not dark friends. You can't just declare someone df and then use that as an excuse to kill hundreds of bystanders either.

And the one power can only be used to defend other aes sedai in an extreme last case. But what aes sedai was she defending? Rand isn't aes sedai and the girls weren't either, not yet.

You think they either A) care what is in the books? B) write logically consistently? or C) know what the 3 oaths are?

Come on now. You are giving the people behind this abomination too much credit.

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The only thing missing from this show is Rand being transgender or non-binary talking about pronouns.

I mean, season 3, right!!!!!

He should also give the mantle of Dragon to Lanfear. She truly deserves it.

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I'm pretty sure that both Sanderson and Harriet McDougal, Robert Jordan's widow, were both consulted on the show but holy crap if you watch any interview with Sanderson where he's asked about the show now, he is really hesitant to praise it because even he knows it is complete dog shit.

Sanderson has said he was consulted, provided feedback, it was ignored and he was sent on his way. Harriet has kept quiet. I can't imagine she will show her face at anything where actual fans of Wheel of Time gather. She has spit on her dead husband's legacy by allowing this.

[Stickiler]

The Seanchan aren't dark friends. Evil, yes, but not dark friends. You can't just declare someone df and then use that as an excuse to kill hundreds of bystanders either.

And the one power can only be used to defend other aes sedai in an extreme last case. But what aes sedai was she defending? Rand isn't aes sedai and the girls weren't either, not yet.

The Three Oaths only require the Aes Sedai to BELIEVE that they're Dark Friends/that she's defending Aes Sedai, it doesn't matter whether that is reality or not. If Moiraine believed the ships were filled with Dark Friends, she could freely attack them.

[rhorle]

The Seanchan aren't dark friends. Evil, yes, but not dark friends. You can't just declare someone df and then use that as an excuse to kill hundreds of bystanders either.

On the show they are working with a Forsaken. That qualifies a as a dark friend for the oaths. Even in the books the oaths weren't very restrictive for clever Aes Sedai

[Rennadrel]

The books had that in spades..... how do you figure they like one but not the other?

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You think they either A) care what is in the books? B) write logically consistently? or C) know what the 3 oaths are?

Come on now. You are giving the people behind this abomination too much credit.

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I mean, season 3, right!!!!!

He should also give the mantle of Dragon to Lanfear. She truly deserves it.

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Sanderson has said he was consulted, provided feedback, it was ignored and he was sent on his way. Harriet has kept quiet. I can't imagine she will show her face at anything where actual fans of Wheel of Time gather. She has spit on her dead husband's legacy by allowing this.

Unfortunately the company that she owns, Bandersnatch Group, owns the rights to it and initially they had licensed it out to Sony Pictures to produce. Two years into it, Amazon stepped in so I guess the question of which ideological shitheel of a company has had a more of an impact on the egregious creative liberties that have been made in this shitshow. Either way, I don't expect this dumpster fire to keep going for much longer, it'll get cancelled because no one is watching it. Even if you ignore how much it deviates from the books, it is still a meandering bunch of nonsense that lacks consistent central themes and ideas and feels like it was written by a literal room of writers, which most productions at Amazon studios have more than a couple of writers and explains why most of their original content fucking sucks for narrative, because there's too many cooks in the kitchen.

[rhorle]

She has spit on her dead husband's legacy by allowing this.

She didn't have a choice because her husband sold the rights off. She also lost, settled, or withdrew the lawsuit against the company that had the rights. It is crazy how often you, and others who dislike the show, incorrectly focus your dislike onto the wrong targets. But hey you and those who will hate on the wife of the author are the 'real' fans.

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Unfortunately the company that she owns, Bandersnatch Group, owns the rights to it and initially they had licensed it out to Sony Pictures to produce.

This isn't correct. Red Eagle Entertainment are the ones who had the rights and originally pitched the idea of the series to Sony. They renamed to iwot productions and are still attached to the show. They are also attached to at least one of the films in development for Wheel of Time. Sony went to Amazon to partner for the show but it isn't the same as type of thing as Rings of Power or other "in house" productions.

Sony did discuss the show with Harriet though and she and her company is involved to some degree. Red Eagle would have lost the rights but they released a 22 minute short film in 2015 that met the legal requirements for the rights to not revert back to Harriet/Bandersnatch.

[NightZero88]

If you are going to try to troll be less blatant

Except I'm not trolling. I've read the first two books and I think the finale was great, especially the horn part. It was a fun scene that gets you psyched up. You're welcome to feel however you feel but I and others enjoy the show.

[Bling]

I was really excited expecting Rand to finally have a display of power for the season finale.

Now I'm wondering if they will ever have him even learn to channel properly before the series ends.

[ItsRainingMetal]

I was really excited expecting Rand to finally have a display of power for the season finale.

Now I'm wondering if they will ever have him even learn to channel properly before the series ends.

Not much of a world saving champ, is he?

[Mace]

When the "water" you take the horse to is actually a cesspit you have been taking big gulps from no one is surprised why it won't drink.

well no one but you of course.

Well, that was un called for, don't you think Lorgar. Keep it civil please. It's the content that's under scrutiny, not you.

[Warmage]

No one is taking the books away and we'll always have that original /good story there.

That said, I prefer 1000 times over to have this show than no WOT tv at all . Really don't understand the hate....

If you don't like it , don't watch it---- go read the books again?
But writing negative reviews and posting bad ratings , with the goal to stop the show I guess? Preventing all people that actually enjoy it from seeing it on screen ...that's just mean and selfish.

And yes , many people that read the books DO like it !

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Well, that was un called for, don't you think Lorgar. Keep it civil please. It's the content that's under scrutiny, not you.

Given how many of your post are you spewing insane crap id say it’s a pretty apt analogy.

[Biomega]

That said, I prefer 1000 times over to have this show than no WOT tv at all .

Maybe you don't value your time much, or something?

I absolutely prefer not having anything over having something that's shit. Shit just wastes your time while you're figuring out it's shit. And it also distracts from actual quality content.

[rhorle]

I absolutely prefer not having anything over having something that's shit. Shit just wastes your time while you're figuring out it's shit. And it also distracts from actual quality content.

But if people are wasting their time talking about how bad it was, isn't it the same? Even you in this thread and responding shows you'll waste your time for something you think is bad. Which means you don't mind wasting your time.

[Rennadrel]

No one is taking the books away and we'll always have that original /good story there.

That said, I prefer 1000 times over to have this show than no WOT tv at all . Really don't understand the hate....

If you don't like it , don't watch it---- go read the books again?
But writing negative reviews and posting bad ratings , with the goal to stop the show I guess? Preventing all people that actually enjoy it from seeing it on screen ...that's just mean and selfish.

And yes , many people that read the books DO like it !

"I've tasted shit so diarrhea is fine"

That is you in a nutshell, and anyone else who defends this garbage. I would rather have nothing, than something that completely misrepresents what it is supposed to be adapting. And you know what is going to happen? You are going to get some gullible fools who haven't read the books before that will probably go and buy them and then get outraged when the narrative and focal point characters are entirely different from how the show presents them.

[bledgor]

No one is taking the books away and we'll always have that original /good story there.

That said, I prefer 1000 times over to have this show than no WOT tv at all . Really don't understand the hate....

If you don't like it , don't watch it---- go read the books again?
But writing negative reviews and posting bad ratings , with the goal to stop the show I guess? Preventing all people that actually enjoy it from seeing it on screen ...that's just mean and selfish.

And yes , many people that read the books DO like it !

Maybe because with this show there is no chance for probably decades we get a good/better show? That for a new generation this is there introduction to the world of WoT which is garbage compared to the source material? I would 1 million times over prefer the show never be made than a shit tier adaptation like this. If you like it go watch it, don't try to tell us what to do.

You are allowed to be happy/post good, but we aren't allow to vent the frustration of a hack writing butchering the source material?

Also many, NO, a few people that read the book might like the series, but fuck I'm gate keeping, true fans of the book fundamentally can't like the show, because it frequently spits on the books. Not to mention it is so much worse of writing, because Rafe is a hack with no talent.

[rhorle]

That is you in a nutshell, and anyone else who defends this garbage. I would rather have nothing, than something that completely misrepresents what it is supposed to be adapting. And you know what is going to happen? You are going to get some gullible fools who haven't read the books before that will probably go and buy them and then get outraged when the narrative and focal point characters are entirely different from how the show presents them.

This is 100% copium. Adaptations make changes all the time. Sure, some people might be unaware of that but it is something they will run across regardless. The Jackson Lord of the Rings movies made changes that won't appear in the books yet few hold that against those works. All you are doing is trying to justify your dislike by any means. It doesn't hold up.

Heck even the son of Tolkien said the Jackson work went against the spirit of his fathers work and people largely ignore it because they like the Jackson movies. That is what is on display from a lot of you in this thread. If you personally like it changes don't matter. If you don't like it everything matters. Books that are adapted into a different medium often make changes. Sometimes big, sometimes little. It is what an adaptation means. You adapt the work.

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Maybe because with this show there is no chance for probably decades we get a good/better show?

And yet there are two movie projects being worked on because of the show.

[Itisamuh]

This is 100% copium. Adaptations make changes all the time. Sure, some people might be unaware of that but it is something they will run across regardless. The Jackson Lord of the Rings movies made changes that won't appear in the books yet few hold that against those works. All you are doing is trying to justify your dislike by any means. It doesn't hold up.

Heck even the son of Tolkien said the Jackson work went against the spirit of his fathers work and people largely ignore it because they like the Jackson movies. That is what is on display from a lot of you in this thread. If you personally like it changes don't matter. If you don't like it everything matters. Books that are adapted into a different medium often make changes. Sometimes big, sometimes little. It is what an adaptation means. You adapt the work.

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And yet there are two movie projects being worked on because of the show.

Do you honestly think the level of changes (not streamlining but actual changes) in LotR even come close to what WoT is doing? Really?

[rhorle]

Do you honestly think the level of changes (not streamlining but actual changes) in LotR even come close to what WoT is doing? Really?

Jackson added characters, left out characters, changed motivations, events, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_...n's_spirit

Isn't that what Wheel of Time is accused of doing? People will excuse X, Y, Z changes in adaptations they like but vilify the same stuff in ones they don't. There is no consistency because it isn't about the actual changes but about finding a justification for their dislike.

There are certainly flaws with the show but much of the people in this thread can't get over it not being a 1:1 adaptation.

[Gumble]

No one is taking the books away and we'll always have that original /good story there.

That said, I prefer 1000 times over to have this show than no WOT tv at all . Really don't understand the hate....

If you don't like it , don't watch it---- go read the books again?
But writing negative reviews and posting bad ratings , with the goal to stop the show I guess? Preventing all people that actually enjoy it from seeing it on screen ...that's just mean and selfish.

And yes , many people that read the books DO like it !

Honestly, if HBO said it was going to make their own version of Wheel of Time and the rights were not an issue, I would have no problem with Amazon making this garbage and the few people that actually watch it can have their hundreds of millions of dollar waste of time show.

But, unfortunately, that isn't how it works.

We can't have a REAL Wheel of Time show or movie(s) because Amazon has the rights and they are making THIS travesty.

I did watch the first season of this garbage, just to give it a fair shake, and it was horrible. Everything I've heard about the second season, from the casting to the writing to the screenshots I've seen shows that not only did they waste a rediculous amount of money to make something that looks this bad, but that the show has only gotten worse.

If you like it as "GENERIC FANTASY SHOW" that looks like it should be an afternoon movie on the SciFi channel, then sure, go ahead and enjoy it. However to pretend that this is either a GOOD show, or that it bears any relation to the Wheel of Time outside of stealing the names from it..... nope.

People post how much they dislike something to let anyone who is looking know that fans of the property are displeased. That used to hold weight, and is starting to again. The number of Hollywood actors, directors, and writers who are taking note of fan reviewers and groups is growing. There is good reason for it, as ignoring them has led to studios losing billions of dollars and the trust of their audience.

So, feel free to like this pile of garbage, but the vast majority of people have said no to it. Its ratings are bottom tier and it has turned off most of even the diehard WoT fans.

I would trust the CW with making a Wheel of Time show right now over Amazon, Netflix or Disney..... and I'm sure I'm not alone.

[rhorle]

Honestly, if HBO said it was going to make their own version of Wheel of Time and the rights were not an issue, I would have no problem with Amazon making this garbage and the few people that actually watch it can have their hundreds of millions of dollar waste of time show.

Why blind trust in HBO? They have made their fair share of garbage over the years. Not to mention it isn't just an Amazon one. It is also weird you say you would trust the CW when Wheel of Time is the same as many CW shows. I remember when The Shannara Chronicles came out on MTV it was compared to a CW show.

It really shows the irrational bias at play when it comes to this Wheel of Time series.