[TV] The Wheel of Time

[rhorle]

She has spit on her dead husband's legacy by allowing this.

She didn't have a choice because her husband sold the rights off. She also lost, settled, or withdrew the lawsuit against the company that had the rights. It is crazy how often you, and others who dislike the show, incorrectly focus your dislike onto the wrong targets. But hey you and those who will hate on the wife of the author are the 'real' fans.

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Unfortunately the company that she owns, Bandersnatch Group, owns the rights to it and initially they had licensed it out to Sony Pictures to produce.

This isn't correct. Red Eagle Entertainment are the ones who had the rights and originally pitched the idea of the series to Sony. They renamed to iwot productions and are still attached to the show. They are also attached to at least one of the films in development for Wheel of Time. Sony went to Amazon to partner for the show but it isn't the same as type of thing as Rings of Power or other "in house" productions.

Sony did discuss the show with Harriet though and she and her company is involved to some degree. Red Eagle would have lost the rights but they released a 22 minute short film in 2015 that met the legal requirements for the rights to not revert back to Harriet/Bandersnatch.

[NightZero88]

If you are going to try to troll be less blatant

Except I'm not trolling. I've read the first two books and I think the finale was great, especially the horn part. It was a fun scene that gets you psyched up. You're welcome to feel however you feel but I and others enjoy the show.

[Bling]

I was really excited expecting Rand to finally have a display of power for the season finale.

Now I'm wondering if they will ever have him even learn to channel properly before the series ends.

[ItsRainingMetal]

I was really excited expecting Rand to finally have a display of power for the season finale.

Now I'm wondering if they will ever have him even learn to channel properly before the series ends.

Not much of a world saving champ, is he?

[Mace]

When the "water" you take the horse to is actually a cesspit you have been taking big gulps from no one is surprised why it won't drink.

well no one but you of course.

Well, that was un called for, don't you think Lorgar. Keep it civil please. It's the content that's under scrutiny, not you.

[Warmage]

No one is taking the books away and we'll always have that original /good story there.

That said, I prefer 1000 times over to have this show than no WOT tv at all . Really don't understand the hate....

If you don't like it , don't watch it---- go read the books again?
But writing negative reviews and posting bad ratings , with the goal to stop the show I guess? Preventing all people that actually enjoy it from seeing it on screen ...that's just mean and selfish.

And yes , many people that read the books DO like it !

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Well, that was un called for, don't you think Lorgar. Keep it civil please. It's the content that's under scrutiny, not you.

Given how many of your post are you spewing insane crap id say it’s a pretty apt analogy.

[Biomega]

That said, I prefer 1000 times over to have this show than no WOT tv at all .

Maybe you don't value your time much, or something?

I absolutely prefer not having anything over having something that's shit. Shit just wastes your time while you're figuring out it's shit. And it also distracts from actual quality content.

[rhorle]

I absolutely prefer not having anything over having something that's shit. Shit just wastes your time while you're figuring out it's shit. And it also distracts from actual quality content.

But if people are wasting their time talking about how bad it was, isn't it the same? Even you in this thread and responding shows you'll waste your time for something you think is bad. Which means you don't mind wasting your time.

[Rennadrel]

No one is taking the books away and we'll always have that original /good story there.

That said, I prefer 1000 times over to have this show than no WOT tv at all . Really don't understand the hate....

If you don't like it , don't watch it---- go read the books again?
But writing negative reviews and posting bad ratings , with the goal to stop the show I guess? Preventing all people that actually enjoy it from seeing it on screen ...that's just mean and selfish.

And yes , many people that read the books DO like it !

"I've tasted shit so diarrhea is fine"

That is you in a nutshell, and anyone else who defends this garbage. I would rather have nothing, than something that completely misrepresents what it is supposed to be adapting. And you know what is going to happen? You are going to get some gullible fools who haven't read the books before that will probably go and buy them and then get outraged when the narrative and focal point characters are entirely different from how the show presents them.

[bledgor]

No one is taking the books away and we'll always have that original /good story there.

That said, I prefer 1000 times over to have this show than no WOT tv at all . Really don't understand the hate....

If you don't like it , don't watch it---- go read the books again?
But writing negative reviews and posting bad ratings , with the goal to stop the show I guess? Preventing all people that actually enjoy it from seeing it on screen ...that's just mean and selfish.

And yes , many people that read the books DO like it !

Maybe because with this show there is no chance for probably decades we get a good/better show? That for a new generation this is there introduction to the world of WoT which is garbage compared to the source material? I would 1 million times over prefer the show never be made than a shit tier adaptation like this. If you like it go watch it, don't try to tell us what to do.

You are allowed to be happy/post good, but we aren't allow to vent the frustration of a hack writing butchering the source material?

Also many, NO, a few people that read the book might like the series, but fuck I'm gate keeping, true fans of the book fundamentally can't like the show, because it frequently spits on the books. Not to mention it is so much worse of writing, because Rafe is a hack with no talent.

[rhorle]

That is you in a nutshell, and anyone else who defends this garbage. I would rather have nothing, than something that completely misrepresents what it is supposed to be adapting. And you know what is going to happen? You are going to get some gullible fools who haven't read the books before that will probably go and buy them and then get outraged when the narrative and focal point characters are entirely different from how the show presents them.

This is 100% copium. Adaptations make changes all the time. Sure, some people might be unaware of that but it is something they will run across regardless. The Jackson Lord of the Rings movies made changes that won't appear in the books yet few hold that against those works. All you are doing is trying to justify your dislike by any means. It doesn't hold up.

Heck even the son of Tolkien said the Jackson work went against the spirit of his fathers work and people largely ignore it because they like the Jackson movies. That is what is on display from a lot of you in this thread. If you personally like it changes don't matter. If you don't like it everything matters. Books that are adapted into a different medium often make changes. Sometimes big, sometimes little. It is what an adaptation means. You adapt the work.

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Maybe because with this show there is no chance for probably decades we get a good/better show?

And yet there are two movie projects being worked on because of the show.

[Itisamuh]

This is 100% copium. Adaptations make changes all the time. Sure, some people might be unaware of that but it is something they will run across regardless. The Jackson Lord of the Rings movies made changes that won't appear in the books yet few hold that against those works. All you are doing is trying to justify your dislike by any means. It doesn't hold up.

Heck even the son of Tolkien said the Jackson work went against the spirit of his fathers work and people largely ignore it because they like the Jackson movies. That is what is on display from a lot of you in this thread. If you personally like it changes don't matter. If you don't like it everything matters. Books that are adapted into a different medium often make changes. Sometimes big, sometimes little. It is what an adaptation means. You adapt the work.

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And yet there are two movie projects being worked on because of the show.

Do you honestly think the level of changes (not streamlining but actual changes) in LotR even come close to what WoT is doing? Really?

[rhorle]

Do you honestly think the level of changes (not streamlining but actual changes) in LotR even come close to what WoT is doing? Really?

Jackson added characters, left out characters, changed motivations, events, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_...n's_spirit

Isn't that what Wheel of Time is accused of doing? People will excuse X, Y, Z changes in adaptations they like but vilify the same stuff in ones they don't. There is no consistency because it isn't about the actual changes but about finding a justification for their dislike.

There are certainly flaws with the show but much of the people in this thread can't get over it not being a 1:1 adaptation.

[Gumble]

No one is taking the books away and we'll always have that original /good story there.

That said, I prefer 1000 times over to have this show than no WOT tv at all . Really don't understand the hate....

If you don't like it , don't watch it---- go read the books again?
But writing negative reviews and posting bad ratings , with the goal to stop the show I guess? Preventing all people that actually enjoy it from seeing it on screen ...that's just mean and selfish.

And yes , many people that read the books DO like it !

Honestly, if HBO said it was going to make their own version of Wheel of Time and the rights were not an issue, I would have no problem with Amazon making this garbage and the few people that actually watch it can have their hundreds of millions of dollar waste of time show.

But, unfortunately, that isn't how it works.

We can't have a REAL Wheel of Time show or movie(s) because Amazon has the rights and they are making THIS travesty.

I did watch the first season of this garbage, just to give it a fair shake, and it was horrible. Everything I've heard about the second season, from the casting to the writing to the screenshots I've seen shows that not only did they waste a rediculous amount of money to make something that looks this bad, but that the show has only gotten worse.

If you like it as "GENERIC FANTASY SHOW" that looks like it should be an afternoon movie on the SciFi channel, then sure, go ahead and enjoy it. However to pretend that this is either a GOOD show, or that it bears any relation to the Wheel of Time outside of stealing the names from it..... nope.

People post how much they dislike something to let anyone who is looking know that fans of the property are displeased. That used to hold weight, and is starting to again. The number of Hollywood actors, directors, and writers who are taking note of fan reviewers and groups is growing. There is good reason for it, as ignoring them has led to studios losing billions of dollars and the trust of their audience.

So, feel free to like this pile of garbage, but the vast majority of people have said no to it. Its ratings are bottom tier and it has turned off most of even the diehard WoT fans.

I would trust the CW with making a Wheel of Time show right now over Amazon, Netflix or Disney..... and I'm sure I'm not alone.

[rhorle]

Honestly, if HBO said it was going to make their own version of Wheel of Time and the rights were not an issue, I would have no problem with Amazon making this garbage and the few people that actually watch it can have their hundreds of millions of dollar waste of time show.

Why blind trust in HBO? They have made their fair share of garbage over the years. Not to mention it isn't just an Amazon one. It is also weird you say you would trust the CW when Wheel of Time is the same as many CW shows. I remember when The Shannara Chronicles came out on MTV it was compared to a CW show.

It really shows the irrational bias at play when it comes to this Wheel of Time series.

[Mace]

Given how many of your post are you spewing insane crap id say it’s a pretty apt analogy.

It's because of the insane garbage I'm witnessing, an utter perversion of Jordan's work. Disgusting, just disgusting. Turning a great piece of work into another activist messaging spring board. Shame on them all.

[Pyrophax]

But writing negative reviews and posting bad ratings , with the goal to stop the show I guess? Preventing all people that actually enjoy it from seeing it on screen ...that's just mean and selfish.

Negative reviews are only way to show our attitude to this woke-parody. And if I dont like smth - I write bad review. If I like smth - I write a good review. Am I wrong?

And yes , many people that read the books DO like it !

And many people that read the books DON'T. Your argument?

[Mbcivic]

I hadn't heard about this series before the Amazon show. The first season was a little wonky for me, some things super unbelievable like people fighting skilled soldiers when they have no right to be, etc. Wasn't a huge fan of the casting, most of the main friends seemed off to me. The overall first season ended up being good enough for me to want a second season.

Finished the second season last night, it was a much better watch and the cast grew on me a little bit. I will be waiting for the next season to watch as well and will recommend others watch it. I didn't notice anything that was super "woke" in this show from a normal standpoint, nothing was too in my face that I thought it couldn't have developed naturally in the world it exists in.

Again, I have never heard about the series or read the books before the show but am now infinitely more likely to pick up the books and start reading them, because of the show. For any movie or TV show to do right by a book series requires things that just don't exist or won't translate well to viewers and is just the way it will be. I'm glad the show exists.

[Mazza]

After season 1 I just stopped watching. I mostly check this thread out of habit and the minuscule chance a bunch of people say "Woah, they actually fixed this shit in season 2, go watch it!" but there's no real indication that is the case.