[TV] The Wheel of Time

[Corvus]

Ep 1 has been seen. Being stabbed in the heart for some people is no longer an issue - they can be healed. For others its death. Six black ajah can take on 18 other aes sedai and win - but then lose to just 2 aes sedai who were part of that 18, so I guess the AS now follow the law of ninjas.

Oh, and it's the episode of banging. Rand and Egwene hook up again, despite the fact they were well over each other by this part of the books. Nynaeve and Lan also hook up. And Elaine and Aviendha also hook up. In the book they adopted each other as sisters, so there is some real ick going on there.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

they can be healed. For others its death. Six black ajah can take on 18 other aes sedai and win - but then lose to just 2 aes sedai who were part of that 18, so I guess the AS now follow the law of ninjas.

This atleast is pretty in line with the book, a crappy link leader or getting the drop on others or just using different weaves/tactics changes the out comes of fights a good chunk of time in the books. Though I haven't seen how it plays out in the show so.

every thing else though, there's no real justifying.

[rhorle]

In the book they adopted each other as sisters, so there is some real ick going on there.

Why is that an ick when the Aiel practice polyamory and are open/free when it comes to sexuality.

As for mortal wounds the books were never consistent. Ishmael gets stabbed in the chest/heart in the world of dreams and survives when stuff there is supposed to be even more deadly. Robert Jordan always had healing as a crutch. When people got wounded they could recover enough on their own or a channeler would have just enough ability to heal them. Yet not enough to heal someone else.

If it can heal genetic disorders then a heart wound is certainly in the realm of possibility. So the show having it isn't a big deal even if it wasn't something present in the books. It has long been established it isn't a faithful adaptation.

https://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=80#16
Rhonda Peters from Toronto, Ontario
Would you be willing to tell us a little more about the limits of Healing with the One Power, as they're understood in the present day and/or the Age of Legends? Could someone Heal a genetic condition like Huntington's or color blindness? A chromosomal defect like Down's Syndrome? A degenerative condition like arthritis?
Robert Jordan
Not with the form of Healing that in generally known. With the newly rediscovered forms of Healing, it would be quite possible, but with the newly rediscovered forms of Healing people would (need to) learn how to do it because everything is Healed differently with the new way.

[Logwyn]

No! They killed off Loial

Kinda sucks but this is just another turning of the wheel different from the books.

Still a really good show!!!

[Puri]

The same silliness again as in the first season. Why bother attacking with an army in a world of magic where a handful sorcerers can eliminate the whole army? You obviously should have protection (or as what makes much more sense: Send a handful of casters yourself if you want to eliminate a settling).

Also I'd really like to know how the White Cloaks are supposed to work in such a setting. They move as an army waving their banners, so what's stopping the red ajas from wiping them from the earth? Is that somehow explained in the book? I only watched the series, so I don't even get why they are hunting the weavers.

I'm also not sure how they think they do adopting a book. And I'm not talking about the plot, but an actual "how to". You cannot introduce like 40 "main" characters in a series with rather limited runtime and expect the spectators to know who is who or build a relation towards them. This does not lead to more drama, but it leads to "I don't give a fuck who dies". You need to thin out the source material and follow the story of a handful characters, and let sidecharacters be sidecharacters, and the courage to omit plot points (instead if adding things that weren't even in the books).
We're in season 3, and people get constantly added without removing others. This was so much better in GoT, where we had a broad start and then could concentrate on and follow the characters that survived the first four seasons.

[rhorle]

The same silliness again as in the first season. Why bother attacking with an army in a world of magic where a handful sorcerers can eliminate the whole army?

That was an issue in the books as well. It is why Robert Jordan rarely used Rand later in the story because he was powerful enough to take on most things.

The White Cloaks are zealots that follow a non-religious code. They roam freely because they have just enough power and numbers for most countries to not be able to handle them with out a large army. Basically to big to stop and they don't cause enough trouble to dedicate resources to stopping. They are a shadow government of one of the countries and use diplomacy and fear of the shadow to get treaties. They are against the One Power because it was used to break the world and that had to be the result of the Dark One.

Since you haven't read the books you can pick up all 17 (14 main, 1 prequel, and two reference) books for a minimum of $18 at humble bundle. https://www.humblebundle.com/books/r...eel-time-books

[Foolicious]

Really positively suprised with season 3 now after the finale. Its getting better every season and i would love to see how good a season without covid, main actors leaving, strikes etc. will look like now that they've found their groove.
Natasha o'keeffe and rosamund pike still hard carry the acting, most of the villains are great too, but i'm still struggling to like the acting of the two river kids. Anyway i still think amazon should listen to the showrunner that wants more episodes per season. This finale was good, but it felt like episode 8 of 10

[owbu]

I read two books power season.
The show is getting better by about the same amount that the books are getting worse

[Puri]

Slightly unrelated

[Nymrohd]

The same silliness again as in the first season. Why bother attacking with an army in a world of magic where a handful sorcerers can eliminate the whole army? You obviously should have protection (or as what makes much more sense: Send a handful of casters yourself if you want to eliminate a settling).

Also I'd really like to know how the White Cloaks are supposed to work in such a setting. They move as an army waving their banners, so what's stopping the red ajas from wiping them from the earth? Is that somehow explained in the book? I only watched the series, so I don't even get why they are hunting the weavers.

I'm also not sure how they think they do adopting a book. And I'm not talking about the plot, but an actual "how to". You cannot introduce like 40 "main" characters in a series with rather limited runtime and expect the spectators to know who is who or build a relation towards them. This does not lead to more drama, but it leads to "I don't give a fuck who dies". You need to thin out the source material and follow the story of a handful characters, and let sidecharacters be sidecharacters, and the courage to omit plot points (instead if adding things that weren't even in the books).
We're in season 3, and people get constantly added without removing others. This was so much better in GoT, where we had a broad start and then could concentrate on and follow the characters that survived the first four seasons.

Not seen the series but by the books

For ages said sorceresses never involved themselves in War outside helping with the occasional Trolloc force in the borderlands. The idea of channelers involving themselves in a large scale battle is unknown to the people of this continent since after the Trolloc Wars. Aes Sedai are extremely limited in numbers and the idea very much is that if they started using the Power against common people, they will be murdered in their sleep the moment they exit Tar Valon. Also the Three Oaths completely stop Aes Sedai from using the power offensively until they are actively in danger. An approaching army is not danger enough for the Three Oaths, arrows need to be raining down on them with swordsmen in arms reach ready to strike them for them to be able to use the power offensively. Also keep in mind, most Aes Sedai are horribly bad channelers who cannot really manage more than one weave at a time; they'd be helpless without a Warder on their back against a large force coming from multiple directions. Most of them are very weak in the power too; the strongest among them are all observably weaker than the young channelers that are central in the story, with the commonly accepted premise being that the Pattern just needed stronger channelers in this era. They also are just bad at offensive weaves; the Greens know some but most only know very basic concepts. Later in the books with the Asha'man we see a force of channelers trained for war with strong offensive weaves completely destroy armies and even later when Rand "rediscovers" some second age weaves that very much turn armies into mince.
Seanchan openly uses damane for war because they are leashed so they are not afraid of them; the state retains its monopoly on violence and it is an empire with no opposing forces (local nobles trying for independence or fighting each other are stomped by the fact that the Empire reserves the strongest damane forces for themselves and maintain an effective monopoly on certain damane like Makers that can create A'dam).
Among the other prominent people, the Sea Folk are few in number. They openly channel to help their ships but never in front of land folk because they want to maintain the illusion that they possess very few channelers to keep Aes Sedai from meddling with their affairs. They also are vastly superior channelers in their preferred fields than Aes Sedai (heck they are better in Weather Manipulation than the FORSAKEN who are dumpfounded on what the Sea Folk manage later in the story) courtesy of actually using their skills and because they do not segregate their channelers and actually have children, they have much better numbers than everyone else for their population. The Wise Ones stand separate from the clans and are supposed to be neutral. With them it is not a matter of oaths but simply a matter of honour and honour is everything to the Aiel. Later when the Shaido defect along their Wise Ones they will use the power offensively but similar to the Aes Sedai they are just not trained enough to do so; they just don't have the right weaves to be effective
The Sharans are the exception, they are by far the most intelligent and ruthless in how they handled the Power after the breaking and don't become part of the story until the very very end. Everyone else kills their male channelers and channeling absolutely seems to be partly genetic so everyone keeps getting weaker. Meanwhile the Sharans run channeling eugenics by rounding up male channelers, using them as breeding stock and then executing them young before they can go mad

[ItsRainingMetal]

Do you guys think this turd is getting another season?

[rhorle]

Do you guys think this turd is getting another season?

Season 3 has decent ratings and viewership was decent so it will most likely get renewed. Performance might not be a factor though as there are some rumors that it hasn't been renewed yet because Amazon and Sony are renegotiating the contract.

[ItsRainingMetal]

Season 3 has decent ratings and viewership was decent so it will most likely get renewed. Performance might not be a factor though as there are some rumors that it hasn't been renewed yet because Amazon and Sony are renegotiating the contract.

It was certainly more enjoyable than s1 and s2, but I wonder what kind of viewer numbers it's pulling and how it compares to other shows.

[Kreuger]

It was certainly more enjoyable than s1 and s2, but I wonder what kind of viewer numbers it's pulling and how it compares to other shows.

Been #1 two weeks in a row on prime atleast, doing alot better then season 1 and 2.

Hard to get actual numbers though, seen it in top10 on Nielsens quite a few times aswell during its run

[Nymrohd]

You can hate the series for not being faithful to the material or you can simply not care for it, but it does seem to be successful. Maybe it's not doing it for you but it is doing decent. Don't be a hater just to hate, it ain't healthy.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

You can hate the series for not being faithful to the material or you can simply not care for it, but it does seem to be successful. Maybe it's not doing it for you but it is doing decent. Don't be a hater just to hate, it ain't healthy.

I have tried to tell them that so many times at this point. Haters gonna haters though.

The funniest part though is that hate watching is still watching. So, by hate watching...they're actually improving it's viewership numbers...thus making future seasons more likely.

[bledgor]

You can hate the series for not being faithful to the material or you can simply not care for it, but it does seem to be successful. Maybe it's not doing it for you but it is doing decent. Don't be a hater just to hate, it ain't healthy.

99% of the hate is because it ruins the lore and ignores the text it is based on, soooo yeah. I know 5 people who have read the series, none of them made it past the first 3 episodes, they all hated what was done to the story.

[Nymrohd]

99% of the hate is because it ruins the lore and ignores the text it is based on, soooo yeah. I know 5 people who have read the series, none of them made it past the first 3 episodes, they all hated what was done to the story.

I did not even bother to watch it. I don't even understand why they changed so much and so radically. But I won't hate the series that I did not watch. It's not like it ruins my experience with the series (and I LOVE the series, I spend two years running a d20 campaign in the Trolloc Wars and I've so many posts in WoT fan sites). And some people seem to enjoy it so it doesn't bother me. Do I wish a version of the story that was somewhat faithful to the series was being told? Sure. But I never expected that. All I can say back when the series was released, I was inspired to go through the series from the start again and I am happy for myself doing that cause I still cried every time Nynaeve did something amazing

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

99% of the hate is because it ruins the lore and ignores the text it is based on, soooo yeah. I know 5 people who have read the series, none of them made it past the first 3 episodes, they all hated what was done to the story.

But the thing is...they stopped watching when they realized they didn't like it. That's fine. It's very rational to stop watching a show that you do not like.

But continuing to watch a show in it's 3rd season that you have hated from the beginning is not rational.

[bledgor]

I did not even bother to watch it. I don't even understand why they changed so much and so radically. But I won't hate the series that I did not watch. It's not like it ruins my experience with the series (and I LOVE the series, I spend two years running a d20 campaign in the Trolloc Wars and I've so many posts in WoT fan sites). And some people seem to enjoy it so it doesn't bother me. Do I wish a version of the story that was somewhat faithful to the series was being told? Sure. But I never expected that. All I can say back when the series was released, I was inspired to go through the series from the start again and I am happy for myself doing that cause I still cried every time Nynaeve did something amazing

The issue is so many people are getting a worse product for no other reason that Rafe is a massive piece of shit hack writer that has delusions of being a much better writer/producer than he is. Sadly it is really fucking hard to convince people to read a 14 book series were the average book length is like 800 pages, even if they get a much better story, with more fleshed out and realistic characters, a world you can live in and a system of magic that is deep and nuanced.

To me is very much like someone getting a unseasoned microwaved steak, like yeah it is still the same good quality meat, but compared to a perfectly cooked and seasoned steak on a grill it is nothing.