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    Finished the 2nd book and, honestly, I think it's fair to say the show is only inspired by the books and only follows them in very broad strokes. I mean, besides a couple of things here and there, there is not much in common between them.

    I will try to enjoy the show for what it is, even if I don't think it's a true adaptation of Robert Jordans Wheel of Time :P

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    Trucking my way through the novels, started book 9, and is it just me or did Jordan have a spanking fetish or something? I have heard people talk about the braid pulling and constant mentioning of what every single person in every single room is wearing but no one mentioned the constant talk of spanking in this series. Just about every other chapter there is someone saying something about spanking, "bending someone/getting bent over someone's knee", switching, or strapping. Just something I noticed.

    Overall I am still enjoying the series although I got real close to dropping it again around books 6-7 due entirely to a single storyline, the Ebou Dar one. Never have I had a series make me dislike two main characters as fast as that part did. I already wasn't the biggest fan of Nynaeve but the way both her and Elayne started acting all high and mighty and trying to undermind Mat's leadership of his men for seemingly no reason was annoying as hell. And they never got any comeuppance for it either eventually getting what they wanted. Also wasn't a fan of the way Mat was basically raped and it being treated as a joke both by the writer and the other characters. Just really uncomfortable. Other that that though it has been solid although boy, was the Sammael confrontation a let down. Dude was built up for multiple novels only for Rand to confront him and deal with him in a single chapter and it not even being Rand who ultimately takes him out. Guessing he is still alive though since otherwise that will be really weak.

    Side note, are the Aes Sedai supposed to be seen as a flawed and broken group? They remind me of the Jedi Order in the prequels. A group of people who run around telling everyone what to do and acting like they know everything while constantly being proven wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skizzit View Post
    Side note, are the Aes Sedai supposed to be seen as a flawed and broken group? They remind me of the Jedi Order in the prequels. A group of people who run around telling everyone what to do and acting like they know everything while constantly being proven wrong.
    Yes, pretty much. The Aes Sedai are pretty damn useless. They do get much better by the end of the series.

    And the Matt thing is uncomfortable. It really is telling of Jordan's age. I mean we have to keep in mind this was written by a Vietnam vet. Beyond the fact that his understanding of consent and gender relations is several generations back, so much of what you see in the novels is him processing his own trauma. E.g. in an interview he explained that the reason Rand is unwilling to hurt women is because of his own reaction when he realized one of the combatants he killed in the war was female.

    I would say, his Conan books are very good if anyone likes Conan, he is considered the best Conan writer outside Howard himself. And up to book 10 he was pretty much writing one massive book per year, he only really slowed down later on the last two books (and was probably already ill by the time he started book 11)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skizzit View Post
    Trucking my way through the novels, started book 9, and is it just me or did Jordan have a spanking fetish or something? I have heard people talk about the braid pulling and constant mentioning of what every single person in every single room is wearing but no one mentioned the constant talk of spanking in this series. Just about every other chapter there is someone saying something about spanking, "bending someone/getting bent over someone's knee", switching, or strapping. Just something I noticed.
    I think it’s made pretty clear through out the series that he had a thing for bondage and BDSM really. I think such things come up in every book past the second atlest three or four times.

    I also think he has a lesser thing for sexual assault as it’s also quite common to various scales through out the series notable with the Myrddraal.



    Side note, are the Aes Sedai supposed to be seen as a flawed and broken group? They remind me of the Jedi Order in the prequels. A group of people who run around telling everyone what to do and acting like they know everything while constantly being proven wrong.
    your pretty much right on the money.
    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    I think it’s made pretty clear through out the series that he had a thing for bondage and BDSM really. I think such things come up in every book past the second atlest three or four times.

    I also think he has a lesser thing for sexual assault as it’s also quite common to various scales through out the series notable with the Myrddraal.
    is that even notable though? If we go by porn statistics, so does half of humanity

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    The spanking thing has more to do with humiliation and bringing a stubborn ego down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    is that even notable though? If we go by porn statistics, so does half of humanity
    I can’t say I really apply porn stats to novels/writers to see what’s notable.

    And as far as writers/novles/series go I’d say WoT has atleast 10X more of this stuff in it Mabye even 100X more compared to any thing else I’ve read other then game of thrones.
    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    I can’t say I really apply porn stats to novels/writers to see what’s notable.

    And as far as writers/novles/series go I’d say WoT has atleast 10X more of this stuff in it Mabye even 100X more compared to any thing else I’ve read other then game of thrones.
    Yikes, you don't read much fantasy Malazan books of the fallen are full of rape. Sword of Truth is your starter guide to mind break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Yikes, you don't read much fantasy Malazan books of the fallen are full of rape. Sword of Truth is your starter guide to mind break.
    *shrug*

    Sanderson doesn’t use this stuff as much

    Disc world didn’t

    The Licanius Trilogy didn’t

    Alot of warhammer fantasy novels don’t, though I haven’t read much dark elfs.

    40k might not technically count as fantasy but I’d give it an honorary roll and it doesn’t.

    Wow novels don’t.

    I only read the first Divine Cities book (which was awful) but they didn’t.

    And LoTR and the hobbit obviously don’t.

    Most Sci-fi I’ve read doesn’t either though the Honor Harrington series might be close.
    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Yikes, you don't read much fantasy Malazan books of the fallen are full of rape. Sword of Truth is your starter guide to mind break.
    My old review regarding Goodkind;

    Terry Goodkind..hmf...libertarian...same vein as Ayn Rand.
    As an acquaintance of mine posted;

    [i]I stopped reading after Faith of the Fallen when Goodkind stops being a fantasy writer with Randian overtones and just makes Richard Rahl into John Galt. The rest started to degenerate into an Objectivism/rapefest. The problem with Faith of the Fallen is that it's less a fantasy novel than a philosophy lesson (it's less rapey than the last two books). I suppose if you don't mind that sort of thing it's fine however after reading the first five books and watching them slide from storytelling to ham-fisted indoctrination with a bunch of gratuitous rape scenes, S&M bodyguards, and naughty nuns thrown in, it just got really tiresome.[/i]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    My old review regarding Goodkind;

    Terry Goodkind..hmf...libertarian...same vein as Ayn Rand.
    As an acquaintance of mine posted;

    [i]I stopped reading after Faith of the Fallen when Goodkind stops being a fantasy writer with Randian overtones and just makes Richard Rahl into John Galt. The rest started to degenerate into an Objectivism/rapefest. The problem with Faith of the Fallen is that it's less a fantasy novel than a philosophy lesson (it's less rapey than the last two books). I suppose if you don't mind that sort of thing it's fine however after reading the first five books and watching them slide from storytelling to ham-fisted indoctrination with a bunch of gratuitous rape scenes, S&M bodyguards, and naughty nuns thrown in, it just got really tiresome.[/i]
    Oh don't get me wrong, Goodkind is just bad. But If you went for the most popular fantasy series, Sword of Truth will be in the top 10.

    And Malazan has rape but never indulges in it. It is very much meant to be a horror (mostly of war given the subject of most of the books).

    I just don't think Jordan indulges in sexual subjects anywhere near what Goodkind does. Most of the bondage and BDSM comes with Graendal which is part of her character and how Jordan chooses to describe debauchery (imo the only Forsaken other than Ishamael who joined the Dark One for ideological reasons)

    Matt's arc is definitely not up to modern standards. The books never explain what exactly he did to gain that reputation among Emond's Field but it is clear that Nynaeve and Egwene don't have much respect for him
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Oh don't get me wrong, Goodkind is just bad. But If you went for the most popular fantasy series, Sword of Truth will be in the top 10
    So I got curious, and looked up exactly that.

    On google the first book shows up as 24th horizontally 42 vertically, if google ranks them and it's not just a randomly ordered list.

    The first three site's I clicked didn't list it at all unless it has a different name/author name.

    4th site had it listed as 85th and the 5th had it at 25 out of 30.


    and on a more personal note, I talk with my reading friends every few months about what they are reading or recommend as I get almost all my books from there recommendation as they read far more then me, I don't believe sword of truth has ever come up in any fashion nor can I say I've ever even heard of the series any where but on this site.
    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

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    I read the Sword of Truth once. I can't even tell you what it was about. It was just that...forgettable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    I read the Sword of Truth once. I can't even tell you what it was about. It was just that...forgettable.
    #1. People are stupid.

    That's about all I remember.

    Deep wisdom, that.

    At least the WoT books tried to be more than generic fantasy fare. They drag on and ramble a bit, but Jordan is a solid author. Goodkind is, like... yeah. Not surprised he was an Ayn Rand acolyte, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    I read the Sword of Truth once. I can't even tell you what it was about. It was just that...forgettable.
    I didn't make it past Wizards First Rule and I heard that book was the series peak and it only went downhill from there lol. Also doesn't help when Terry Goodkind was a PoS too. Sad he died, but in life the guy came off as an ass hole and just annoyed everyone he worked with, even his own cover artists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    I read the Sword of Truth once. I can't even tell you what it was about. It was just that...forgettable.
    Never been able to finish it, heard good things about it, but no thanks.
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    The 10% reward. It's was unspoken rule that you DONT attack other faction so everyone could enjoy the 10% reward. But now no one cares about that anymore

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