[TV] The Wheel of Time

[Triceron]

Good riddance.

Sure, the series was more tolerable as it went on, but that's all than can be said.

Wondering now how they might approach RoP moving forward. I can't imagine either of these behemoths generating enough to stay alive if finance is the reason for cancellation, and RoP having the bigger budget.

[Pyrophax]

Lmao, what? The show is no where near a porn parody. The show followed the general fantasy, idea, and atmosphere of the source material.

It was not. And thats why it was canceled. Easy as that.

No one asked this "different turn" shit for adaptation just for sake of it.

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It undermined the metaphysics, made unacceptable retcons to the characters, failed to understand the setting, and was helmed by a producer who wanted to tell his own story instead of respecting Jordan's work. It could never have been anything but a betrayal of the source material.

This one got it right. Thank you mate.

[molliewoof]

Unfortunately this and rings of power have probably set fantasy shows back years.

The problem is the budgets necessarily need to be high so what's the point taking the chance now when two of the bigger franchises couldn't make it.

These both had the budgets and were still pretty boring and not the best acted.

Why would you put the money into these when you can make reacher for £1.50 and so it will make a profit?

Shame

[Shadowferal]

Gotta agree. Rafesworn not worth it.

Those that read the material knew what went down.

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An expensive mess that refused to follow the books and insisted on alienating fans of the books. It's just as well that the rumored prequel series never got any traction.

[Biomega]

Oh no!

Anyway...

Make shit, get hit. Working as intended. I'm surprised this even got to 3, but that was probably sunk cost at work, or something.

[Arikara]

It did not undermine the metaphysics.

You reveal your own ignorance. Hah!

It made changes to characters because it is a different turning of the wheel.

Oh, so it is okay to commit such heresies because you can drop a shitty excuse for it? No. Unacceptable.

It respected Jordan's work but was not bound by it.

If it wanted to respect Jordan's work, perhaps it shouldn't have been so busy trying to piss all over it.

[Orby]

While I never cared for the show, I know a lot of people I know loved it, and it sucks for them that the show got cancelled. I heard a lot of praise for season 3 too, so maybe it was a case of the bad first season that sealed the shows fate for cancelation.

I know some people saw the show as another turn of the wheel to justify its lack being like the source material. And I think if you can get into that mentality and enjoy Wheel of Time that's great. I tried to but I still struggled to get through season 1 and just couldn't get through the rest.

But sucks for those that enjoyed it, but I also hope for my selfish sake we can work on getting a very accurate adaptation to the books :P

[En Sabah Nur]

Lol, look at them all crawl out of the woodwork to gloat.

Series just wasn't particularly good, nothing more to it. I'd argue they could have followed the books muuuch more closely and it still wouldn't have been good.

Certainly wasn't because of all this...

feminism
woke shitstormers
agenda

Make shit - take shit.

Make shit, get hit.

Are these new attempts at a vague "get woke, go broke" saying without actually saying it?

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I also hope for my selfish sake we can work on getting a very accurate adaptation to the books :P

I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you.

[Pyrophax]

Lol, look at them all crawl out of the woodwork to gloat.

Certainly wasn't because of all this...
Are these new attempts at a vague "get woke, go broke" saying without actually saying it?

While show indeed suffered from woke shitshow - main reason is show just bad.
And when you do shit work - you suffer from it. Easy as that.

[rhorle]

It was not. And thats why it was canceled. Easy as that.

Lol, still with bad takes. Faithful adaptations do not guarantee a show will not be cancelled.

[Nymrohd]

But sucks for those that enjoyed it, but I also hope for my selfish sake we can work on getting a very accurate adaptation to the books :P

I mean it doesn't need to be very accurate. Just not one that changes things just for the sake of changing them. Changes things because the time you have and the medium just don't work with the book's version not because you want to tell an entirely different story

[rhorle]

You reveal your own ignorance. Hah!

Nah, you do. Changing characters is not a heresy. It has to happen for an adaptation. Peter Jackson changed characters for Lord of the Rings and it isn't considered a sin by many. A lot of the bigger things people complained about, like a female dragon, actually does respect his work. Yet many so called fans can't look past their hate of the show to see that.

[Biomega]

Are these new attempts at a vague "get woke, go broke" saying without actually saying it?

It has nothing to do with the show being "woke" (whatever that means). Only with it being shit. And that meme actually predates go woke go broke by quite a bit.

I like shows that are diverse and feature alterity. I wish MORE shows would do it, and do it in actual, profound ways rather than pretend bullshit where difference eventually just boils down to deep-down-we're-actually-all-the-same which is, you know, the opposite of difference (hi there, Wednesday).

But this ain't it. This is just shit.

[Pyrophax]

Lol, still with bad takes. Faithful adaptations do not guarantee a show will not be cancelled.

But chances of cancellation is much higher when you suddenly decide that some weirdo can do better job than original author and book fans (foundation of any adaptation fans) can go fuck themselves because reasons. And looking at fate of this "show" - my point is more correct than yours.

[Frogguh]

Nah, you do. Changing characters is not a heresy. It has to happen for an adaptation. Peter Jackson changed characters for Lord of the Rings and it isn't considered a sin by many. A lot of the bigger things people complained about, like a female dragon, actually does respect his work. Yet many so called fans can't look past their hate of the show to see that.

A female dragon respects his work in the same way that a white man could successfully pull off playing MLK. Lews Therin was the Dragon, meaning the Dragon Reborn is the same person returned, as opposed to a typical soul which has no connection to past lives. Dying wouldn't suddenly make him a woman.

Not to mention no one would be worried if the Dragon Reborn was a woman, because there's no real danger there. Male channelers are the problem, which is why in their myths and legends the Dragon Reborn is right there with the Forsaken and Dark One as a boogeyman.

Female Dragon was absolute nonsense that completely ignored the significance of the Dragon Reborn. Book fans were right to hate it.

[Pyrophax]

Nah, you do. Changing characters is not a heresy. It has to happen for an adaptation. Peter Jackson changed characters for Lord of the Rings and it isn't considered a sin by many. A lot of the bigger things people complained about, like a female dragon, actually does respect his work. Yet many so called fans can't look past their hate of the show to see that.

Key difference of Peter Jackson adaptation and this - Peter Jackson cares about general idea of characters, general "vibes", if you want to call it. And his changes was very minor, they don't they didn't affect the main plot.
No Tom Bombadil? That does not change the journey, only make it shorter.
Glorfindel changed to Arwen? Glorfindel was not introduced in movie to be important, Arwen introduction much more impotant here.
Or Sauron replaced from ghost to eye? It was cool, I don't mind this. And that change nothing, Sauron still absent in books, just his will present.
PJ changes nothing impotant. Just side notes, some small details like Aragorn pants or Frodo age.

Not like changing whole plot and most of the characters just for sake of changing in WoT adaptation.
Female Dragon? Like whole plot of book is about "men" who change the world for good in highly matriarchal society to bring balance between them. In book there are plenty of examples. Did you see this in rafe? I don't.

[rhorle]

But chances of cancellation is much higher when you suddenly decide that some weirdo can do better job than original author and book fans (foundation of any adaptation fans) can go fuck themselves because reasons. And looking at fate of this "show" - my point is more correct than yours.

The original author is dead. Any adaptation will have a person creating their own version of the books. Even Brandon Sanderson who finished the series created his own version. Just because the show was cancelled doesn't mean your take is correct, lol.

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A female dragon respects his work in the same way that a white man could successfully pull off playing MLK. Lews Therin was the Dragon, meaning the Dragon Reborn is the same person returned, as opposed to a typical soul which has no connection to past lives. Dying wouldn't suddenly make him a woman.

Tell me you don't know the world without telling me you don't know the world. The show took the Champion of the Light and combined it with The Dragon. Amaseru is the female counterpoint to the Dragon and gets spun out by the pattern when the Dragon dies or isn't around.

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Key difference of Peter Jackson adaptation and this - Peter Jackson cares about general idea of characters, general "vibes", if you want to call it. And his changes was very minor, they don't they didn't affect the main plot.

Lmao. He changed characters in major ways and changed the plot of the story by cutting out scenes and changing others. Arwen and Eowyn had more important roles to balance out the male heavy cast. You accept the changes Peter Jackson made because you are not letting irrational hate cloud your judgement.

[En Sabah Nur]

It has nothing to do with the show being "woke"

Perhaps not for you, but it very clearly is for others.

But hey,

that meme actually predates go woke go broke by quite a bit.

TIL.

[Foolicious]

Perhaps not for you, but it very clearly is for others.

But hey,

TIL.

Genuinly asking; What was so woke about the show that it deserved cancellation?

[En Sabah Nur]

Genuinly asking; What was so woke about the show that it deserved cancellation?

I'm the wrong person to ask, but I'm sure a couple of people will detail what they didn't like in that regard.