[TV] The Wheel of Time

[Egomaniac]

Wait they turned the helpful giant who doesn’t talk much because he likes to take in what others say and take extra time to think things through to the point where people think he’s slow into a layabout drunk?

No, They had him show up to one of his best friends coming of age celebration and his wife ended up skipping it to work at the smithy. When he was told where she was he immediately left the party to be with her.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Oh yes, Teenagers have never gone behind the back of an overprotective parental figure in order to have the sex. Perish the thought.

Wasn’t this more of a Matt thing? He’s the lady’s man at the start while rand is rather innocent?

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No, They had him show up to one of his best friends coming of age celebration and his wife ended up skipping it to work at the smithy. When he was told where she was he immediately left the party to be with her.

Ah I’ll have to check it out tomorrow if I got to time to see how it plays out then.

[Kreuger]

A review is an entirely subjective thing though. I mean, unless you want them to focus purely on how well they executed the mechanics of the technical work. Then I guess you might be able to get a standarized review system.

I know. It just rubs me the wrong way somehow seeing such differences

[Egomaniac]

I know. It just rubs me the wrong way somehow seeing such differences

Well, this show is particularly divisive.

Some people want a completely faithful adaptation...and this isn't that.

I've read most of the books (kinda gave up around book 10) and so far I don't hate most of the changes they made...but I'm not going say it's super awesome either. I'll keep watching for now.

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Wasn’t this more of a Matt thing? He’s the lady’s man at the start while rand is rather innocent?.

Well, Matt does still seem to be the player...

...But Rand and Egwene are in looooove.

I dunno, I just don't think it's a big deal that they boned. It wasn't even a gratuitous sex scene. Just implied sex really.

[Xath]

Well, this show is particularly divisive.

Some people want a completely faithful adaptation...and this isn't that.

I've read most of the books (kinda gave up around book 10) and so far I don't hate most of the changes they made...but I'm not going say it's super awesome either. I'll keep watching for now.

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Well, Matt does still seem to be the player...

...But Rand and Egwene are in looooove.

I dunno, I just don't think it's a big deal that they boned. It wasn't even a gratuitous sex scene. Just implied sex really.

It's a big deal because of Min's prophecies. Also they apparently didn't have Gitra's foretelling to tell Moraine the dragon is a he since apparently the one power is not separated into halves by gender anymore or some stupidity.

[Kreuger]

Just watched ep1. Better then expected, gonna start ep2 later but I enjoyed the first one(eventhough a few changes was less enjoyable)

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Ep2 seen aswell, Mat/Perrin , the actors are doing their roles really well.


Show is alot better then I would have guessed from comments/reviews

[Egomaniac]

It's a big deal because of Min's prophecies. Also they apparently didn't have Gitra's foretelling to tell Moraine the dragon is a he since apparently the one power is not separated into halves by gender anymore or some stupidity.

Once again, just focusing on the fact that they made changes.

[Gigantique]

Wasn't Balthamel reborn as a woman after he died?

But in any event, the fundamentally different nature of saidin and saidar makes the gender of the Dragon Reborn TREMENDOUSLY important. It's a fundamental plot point of the entire series. Changing that is akin to adding a 10th human ring of power to LotR or whatever. This is just a terrible, terrible idea.

Yeah, but wasn't it a huge deal that in the female body the Forsaken still channeled saidin? So the soul was still male and taps the male source even though it was crammed into a female body by the Dark One.

[Konteil]

Well, hopefully this leads to other book series becoming shows (better quality than this one seems to be otherwise don't bother..

serpentwar saga


or this series


What other book series should become a show??

i would love to see the black company novels from glen cook become a tv show. but after seeing what has happened to wheel of time so far im not holding out much hope.

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so last night i watch the first ep. i started reading the books in the 90s and they are a favorite. the things that i like are that they made moiraine strong and confident as one would expect of an aes sedai raised in carhienin. lan is even decent and i like the dynamic that they have. things that i am not ok with so far. They have completely missed the mark on mat. and what they did with abel cauthon is bordering on criminal. he was an honorable man and hell of a horse trader. they made him worse than a tarren ferry scumbag. and poor mat. he was a troublemaker yes. youthful pranks and wahtnot. not a damn hardened criminal. and where the hell is his wry humor. boyish charm....etc. mat is not mat in this iteration. im hoping that it corrects as teh show goes on and maybe the new guy will do a better job of it. And perrin.....my gods man where to start. his whole back story is different. and did they have to do him like that? make him married.. ok thats odd but i can roll with it. they are combining him and his wife with haral and alsibet luhan....who are important to the story later so we will see what they do with that. but then to have him have that "accident" come on. that was not needed at all. i mean they had to clear the way for faile after making that decision but shit. there were other ways to do it. maybe not have him married to begin with so his story could flow correctly. ima keep watching it to see what happens but those things are not good so far. cheers.

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It's a big deal because of Min's prophecies. Also they apparently didn't have Gitra's foretelling to tell Moraine the dragon is a he since apparently the one power is not separated into halves by gender anymore or some stupidity.

having soe issues with teh way they are handling the one power as well. and tehy way the did the prophecy was a bit off as well but i can roll with it.

[Theangryone]

Even in old world settings...teenagers fucked. They fucked a lot.

Honestly, in an old world setting...both of them should already be married. Virgins at 20? nah bruh

In the book, Nynaeve made two people get hitched for fooling around in a barn. Things can not be a direct adaptations, but things have to make sense for the setting. People don’t do dowry’s anymore but this little village wouldn’t turn a blind eye to this, especially if she was meant to be a Wisdom

[Xath]

Once again, just focusing on the fact that they made changes.

Making the dragon be not tied to gender is a huge freaking deal

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Yeah, but wasn't it a huge deal that in the female body the Forsaken still channeled saidin? So the soul was still male and taps the male source even though it was crammed into a female body by the Dark One.

Yes and it was specifically called out as evil because it was tampering with the pattern. People are reborn into the bodies that match their souls and their souls are gendered which is tied to the whole one power split just a bit important.

[Egomaniac]

Making the dragon be not tied to gender is a huge freaking deal

Really only matters if Rand isn't the Dragon Reborn.

[Xath]

Really only matters if Rand isn't the Dragon Reborn.

Not true at all. The reason the coming of the chosen one who will save the world is dreaded is because He Will Go Mad. If there is a 50/50 shot that oh they might be a girl and not go mad it heavily reduces the stakes. It also means the instant that a man was seen who could channel they would be killed not gentled to make sure the dragon could only be a girl.

[owbu]

Well, it's not "the next GoT" obviously.

But it seems like something dumb, one can watch once per week and maybe after the season is over, I can go check out if I like the books much better.

Sorry for everyone who wanted this to be great because they loved the books.

[Biomega]

Really only matters if Rand isn't the Dragon Reborn.

And if it turns out they didn't change that, it's EVEN WORSE.

Imagine adding something ostensibly for the reason of better gender equity and then going "yeah but real talk now, this was never ACTUALLY going to happen". How insultingly bad would that be?

[Theangryone]

And if it turns out they didn't change that, it's EVEN WORSE.

Imagine adding something ostensibly for the reason of better gender equity and then going "yeah but real talk now, this was never ACTUALLY going to happen". How insultingly bad would that be?

If they were worried about equality, they would not have made Egwene Ta’Veren. In the books, only her and Nynaeve had any personal agency as it was their choice to leave the Two Rivers with Rand, Mat and Perrin. In making her Ta’Veren she no longer has any agency as the Wheel is going to push in the direction of fate and prophecy.

[Egomaniac]

And if it turns out they didn't change that, it's EVEN WORSE.

Imagine adding something ostensibly for the reason of better gender equity and then going "yeah but real talk now, this was never ACTUALLY going to happen". How insultingly bad would that be?

Seems like you're just determined to be angry no matter how they do it.

If they go one way...you're mad because they changed something.
If they go the other...you're mad because they didn't go all the way with the change.

If you want a story that plays out exactly like the books...then just stick to the books. An adaptation isn't automatically bad just because it makes a few changes fromt he source material.

[Biomega]

Seems like you're just determined to be angry no matter how they do it.

No, I'm angry because these are both two bad options. You're portraying it as though those were the ONLY options, which is at best disingenuous.

Imagine you getting a sandwich at a restaurant and it's moldy, then sending it back and getting a rotten one instead - and the waiter goes "well I guess you were just going to be angry no matter what we do". That's not how it works, so don't portray it like that, please.

[Egomaniac]

If they were worried about equality, they would not have made Egwene Ta’Veren. In the books, only her and Nynaeve had any personal agency as it was their choice to leave the Two Rivers with Rand, Mat and Perrin. In making her Ta’Veren she no longer has any agency as the Wheel is going to push in the direction of fate and prophecy.

Alternatively, having all four of them be Ta'Verren just makes sense with the approach they are taking... and it keeps the potential mystery of who the Dragon Reborn is alive for people that haven't read the books. Which is the majority of the audience.

That's what a lot of people don't seem to grasp. The TV series is meant to appeal to a broader demographic base.

As for Agency...that goes both ways. Yes, Ta'verren are destined for great things and you could see that as "losing agency"...but they aren't really forced any particular way. And the people around them get caught up in that as well...so they too lose agency. Was it really their choice to leave the Two Rivers...or were they just pulled along?

So, either Egwene loses agency because she's spent her entire life in the pull of 3 Ta'Verren...or she loses agency because she's one herself.

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No, I'm angry because these are both two bad options. You're portraying it as though those were the ONLY options, which is at best disingenuous.

Imagine you getting a sandwich at a restaurant and it's moldy, then sending it back and getting a rotten one instead - and the waiter goes "well I guess you were just going to be angry no matter what we do". That's not how it works, so don't portray it like that, please.

I think the only one pretending there's only one option is you. Either they follow the books exactly or it sucks.

[Bakis]

I will see if I can give it a chance in the upcoming days. What I can say is that it was painful to watch the 12,5 mins that I watched (before I couldnt put up with it anymore).
The acting was as stiff as rigor mortis and for the first time in many years I was baffled about the results of a sound team. The sound was just FLAT with no sense of room or immersion whatsoever. They could have recorded it in a restroom at McDonalds for all I could tell.

But, I will give it a try and watch at least 1,5-2 eps since I love the genre and that ~15 mins isnt really giving it a shot.
I dont have high hopes though, my school plays in 5th grade had better acting.